VFM 49: SK win #rekt

[Rickdaily12]

Seth if you're sure on both mafia and SK, isn't it more beneficial to lynch the SK and shoot the maf at night? Though I don't think it matters so much.

Not when you're trying to target lynch. If Vig announces who they shoot tonight, and they live, we know that an SK with town immunity got hit last night.

This is why we should really give zero shits about which scum we lynch today and yet another reason why Vig should be claiming today.

[Chemist1422]

What do you guys think about rick's thoughts on vig outing? I'm not sure what I think myself, I think I'm in favour of it mostly due to having a confirmed townie which helps us immensely today.

I think if the vig is in our immediate PoE of {tfios/ejji} they claim

If not I don't think they out and I don't think they shoot if we mislynch

Seth if you're sure on both mafia and SK, isn't it more beneficial to lynch the SK and shoot the maf at night? Though I don't think it matters so much.

Well that’s just it.
Could Chemist be just playing really bad this game like Crimson or is he actually trying?
See IMO I think it’s best if we vote someone who’s most likely to Be Scum and not Flip Vigilante.
While Chemist also falls into this category, no one is going to push Chemist RN I don’t think.
While if Ejji is lynched and Flips Mafia we can have Tfios Shoot Chemist and if Tfios dies with no other deaths we lynch Chemist and win.

No one is going to push me because I'm town and everyone can see it

And the bolded is just rude

[Chemist1422]

Seth if you're sure on both mafia and SK, isn't it more beneficial to lynch the SK and shoot the maf at night? Though I don't think it matters so much.

Not when you're trying to target lynch. If Vig announces who they shoot tonight, and they live, we know that an SK with town immunity got hit last night.

This is why we should really give zero shits about which scum we lynch today and yet another reason why Vig should be claiming today.

Ah I forgot about that

Yeah that makes sense I guess

[Seththeking]

Seth if you're sure on both mafia and SK, isn't it more beneficial to lynch the SK and shoot the maf at night? Though I don't think it matters so much.

I'm pretty sure he's wrong on both tbh

I also have not seen him re-evalutate anything that he's not proven wrong on so I've given up on trying to convince him

/Vote Chemist

I really can’t handle you anymore this game.
After what you, Dash and Crimson pulled their was Scum in their and your the only one who remains.

Seth, I've been making an effort to stay polite but you're being extremely difficult to work with

I ask you to stop tunneling and you continue with no regard for my posts

You're also refusing to answer my questions and telling me to do it myself, when it's about your reads

Well like look at all Alive players ISO’s and you should be smart enough to get Reads from it.
I’m not trying to Tunnel here’s I just don’t want to lynch Vigilante AKA Tfios and Lose.
I want to lynch someone on my Scum list so I know it’s a good choice.
I had allot of stuff down but I decided to remove all of it on accident and you going to be all like “Oh Welp them your posts don’t me Shit” for it.
Sorry Chemist but I can’t believe that’s a Town motivation but rather an SK one.
Ejji is the best lynch today IMO. They can explain allot with the lynch and it’s very obvious they are not Vigilante.

1. I said I'd do that when I get home and I will
2. If tfios is the vig they'll claim when they get wagoned
3. Okay, so explain stuff.
4. Well you if you wrote it you can give the general idea
5. It is because I'm trying to get you to explain your stuff
6. We shouldn't be lynching vanilla reads because that's dumb

Chemist every read is Vanilla except for Vigilante.
So stop doing this!

[TheDebil]

What do you guys think about rick's thoughts on vig outing? I'm not sure what I think myself, I think I'm in favour of it mostly due to having a confirmed townie which helps us immensely today.

no just let vigi shoot in peace
if the lynch target is vigi he should claim, and only in that scenario.

[Chemist1422]

No you stop

You don't need to make PR reads here because the vig is probably claiming if they listen to rick, and they're claiming if they get wagoned no matter what

[Rickdaily12]

No one is going to push me because I'm town and everyone can see it

And the bolded is just rude

For the record, Chemist, as of right now, and just putting this out there:

If you don't claim Vig today, you're probably one of my highest Mafia/SK reads on both sides.

[Seththeking]

What do you guys think about rick's thoughts on vig outing? I'm not sure what I think myself, I think I'm in favour of it mostly due to having a confirmed townie which helps us immensely today.

I think if the vig is in our immediate PoE of {tfios/ejji} they claim

If not I don't think they out and I don't think they shoot if we mislynch

Seth if you're sure on both mafia and SK, isn't it more beneficial to lynch the SK and shoot the maf at night? Though I don't think it matters so much.

Well that’s just it.
Could Chemist be just playing really bad this game like Crimson or is he actually trying?
See IMO I think it’s best if we vote someone who’s most likely to Be Scum and not Flip Vigilante.
While Chemist also falls into this category, no one is going to push Chemist RN I don’t think.
While if Ejji is lynched and Flips Mafia we can have Tfios Shoot Chemist and if Tfios dies with no other deaths we lynch Chemist and win.

No one is going to push me because I'm town and everyone can see it

And the bolded is just rude

“I DONT THINK THEY SHOOT IF WE MISS LYNCH”

yeah I don’t like that at all TBH.
Chemist you can vote Ejji TYFM

[Chemist1422]

No one is going to push me because I'm town and everyone can see it

And the bolded is just rude

For the record, Chemist, as of right now, and just putting this out there:

If you don't claim Vig today, you're probably one of my highest Mafia/SK reads on both sides.

I’m hardclaiming Vanilla then

Lettuce discuss this development and how it changed off last night’s flips

[Qvapil]

What do you guys think about rick's thoughts on vig outing? I'm not sure what I think myself, I think I'm in favour of it mostly due to having a confirmed townie which helps us immensely today.

no just let vigi shoot in peace
if the lynch target is vigi he should claim, and only in that scenario.

Oh that makes sense

[Chemist1422]

Why is Seth calling me scum for not wanting to risk insta-loss

[Seththeking]

No one is going to push me because I'm town and everyone can see it

And the bolded is just rude

For the record, Chemist, as of right now, and just putting this out there:

If you don't claim Vig today, you're probably one of my highest Mafia/SK reads on both sides.

I’m telling you Rick, Chemist is SK. SMH.

[Qvapil]

No one is going to push me because I'm town and everyone can see it

And the bolded is just rude

For the record, Chemist, as of right now, and just putting this out there:

If you don't claim Vig today, you're probably one of my highest Mafia/SK reads on both sides.

Maf I can understand due to their stance on crimson, but why SK? I think they were too "out there" EOD1 to be SK.

Oof what you said about having a not maf+not sk read is harder than it seems.

[Chemist1422]

If anyone thinks I’m mafia I’d like to direct them to Uzay’s ISO

[Qvapil]

If anyone thinks I’m mafia I’d like to direct them to Uzay’s ISO

Haven't read that yet, will update you.

[Seththeking]

Why is Seth calling me scum for not wanting to risk insta-loss

I’m calling you scum for straight out dumb choice making.
You vote Tfios and don’t even wait till their on to ask for their reads or anything as such.
You don’t want Vigilante to reveal then later changed their mind to only if they are on the Wagon.
Then you want Vigilante not to shoot a potential scum.
Vigilante is meant for solo dissuasion making.
So you can shoot the scum that you feel by your own means.
Your saying you want to rely on majority votes which could easily benefit yourself.
Another reason as to why I feel you are SK.

[Chemist1422]

Chemist you're seriously not helping your case

I'm trying, okay?

You're saying I faked the slip knowingly and actually slipped because I knew it would be fake, but I explained what actually happened. If you're not refuting that you can't push me based on the slip.

Wait What This is completely wrong .
If You are Okay with Flake TR ing You with your slip
But not aggreeing with Dash SR ing You with your flip
Than This is LAMIST
Which is FoS
Due You not keeping your original opinion ( Slip was NAI )
Happily take The cred from Flake
But refusing SRs
Actually This deserves A vote
But I Will Wait for your explanation

Quoting again for that being visible again

I missed this post

Dash wasn’t acknowledging my points, Flake was

See this

I answered it right here

Make sure you don't miss this post

I missed This .

The thing is It isnt What You First Said .
You Said that " If Dash want to Scumread me , he need to refute my points "
The thing is with that Logic , nobody can read sb based on sth .
How ?
Flake is townreading You based on that slip and afterward , right ?
Okay , Let's wrote , " If Flake want to TR You , they need to refute Dash's point/ points which Show You may be scum . "

If You Gave A reaction Like " Dash , If You aren't listening me and my points , You are just tunneling without thinking I am town , and your scumread is just baseless " , Okay , but This reaction is just Scummy IMO .

This quote chain

[Seththeking]

If anyone thinks I’m mafia I’d like to direct them to Uzay’s ISO

Chemist that’s a Serial Killer Move right there.
Try and use that to gain the majority of players in your favour.
Not to mention stupid player because your more Serial Killer Over Mafia.
Not to mention again, you’ve only really been called Serial Killer then defend yourself as not Mafia???? (Will Smith Face)

[Chemist1422]

Why is Seth calling me scum for not wanting to risk insta-loss

I’m calling you scum for straight out dumb choice making.
You vote Tfios and don’t even wait till their on to ask for their reads or anything as such.
You don’t want Vigilante to reveal then later changed their mind to only if they are on the Wagon.
Then you want Vigilante not to shoot a potential scum.
Vigilante is meant for solo dissuasion making.
So you can shoot the scum that you feel by your own means.
Your saying you want to rely on majority votes which could easily benefit yourself.
Another reason as to why I feel you are SK.

Let me walk you through this

It’s 6v1v1. If there is a mislynch and vig, SK, and mafia all kill different town, that’s 2v1v1 which is basically a loss.

Therefore vig should not shoot with a mislynch.

[Rickdaily12]

If anyone thinks I’m mafia I’d like to direct them to Uzay’s ISO

Working on that after I VCA, the Mafia read is primarily the VCA portion so far, to be fair. My SK read is stronger. (I know, I'm agreeing with Zucker and it's fucking horrifying <_<)

No one is going to push me because I'm town and everyone can see it

And the bolded is just rude

For the record, Chemist, as of right now, and just putting this out there:

If you don't claim Vig today, you're probably one of my highest Mafia/SK reads on both sides.

Maf I can understand due to their stance on crimson, but why SK? I think they were too "out there" EOD1 to be SK.

Oof what you said about having a not maf+not sk read is harder than it seems.

No, Chemist generally isn't afraid to put himself out there as any alignment. What I said closer to Day 1 about constantly comparing people to meta and interrogating others on that basis has really declined from my viewpoint of Chemist since Day 1. His votes were questionable, the exchange about the slip with Flake was still gross, and I've just expected more from him.

From my briefer ISOs of Uzay and Cupcake, I also think the Mafia have a strong player on their team, and Chemist is one of the first people who come to mind. Uzay is good too, don't get me wrong, but I don't expect him to coach people as often as Chemist.

[Chemist1422]

If anyone thinks I’m mafia I’d like to direct them to Uzay’s ISO

Chemist that’s a Serial Killer Move right there.
Try and use that to gain the majority of players in your favour.
Not to mention stupid player because your more Serial Killer Over Mafia.
Not to mention again, you’ve only really been called Serial Killer then defend yourself as not Mafia???? (Will Smith Face)

That was in response to Rick and Qva who both called me potential mafia

[Seththeking]

If anyone thinks I’m mafia I’d like to direct them to Uzay’s ISO

Chemist that’s a Serial Killer Move right there.
Try and use that to gain the majority of players in your favour.
Not to mention stupid player because your more Serial Killer Over Mafia.
Not to mention again, you’ve only really been called Serial Killer then defend yourself as not Mafia???? (Will Smith Face)

That was in response to Rick and Qva who both called me potential mafia

Yeah shame on them for putting down the SK.
I gotcha buddy! .
Don’t stab me tonight and we gochy!

[Rickdaily12]

Spoiler:

Chemist you're seriously not helping your case

I'm trying, okay?

You're saying I faked the slip knowingly and actually slipped because I knew it would be fake, but I explained what actually happened. If you're not refuting that you can't push me based on the slip.

Wait What This is completely wrong .
If You are Okay with Flake TR ing You with your slip
But not aggreeing with Dash SR ing You with your flip
Than This is LAMIST
Which is FoS
Due You not keeping your original opinion ( Slip was NAI )
Happily take The cred from Flake
But refusing SRs
Actually This deserves A vote
But I Will Wait for your explanation

Quoting again for that being visible again

I missed this post

Dash wasn’t acknowledging my points, Flake was

See this

I answered it right here

Make sure you don't miss this post

I missed This .

The thing is It isnt What You First Said .
You Said that " If Dash want to Scumread me , he need to refute my points "
The thing is with that Logic , nobody can read sb based on sth .
How ?
Flake is townreading You based on that slip and afterward , right ?
Okay , Let's wrote , " If Flake want to TR You , they need to refute Dash's point/ points which Show You may be scum . "

If You Gave A reaction Like " Dash , If You aren't listening me and my points , You are just tunneling without thinking I am town , and your scumread is just baseless " , Okay , but This reaction is just Scummy IMO .

This quote chain

Okay, Chemist, I'll grant you that scum theaters often don't involve a mafia member missing one of the posts of another person.

The only thing bothering me about clearing you of Mafia completely, though, is that I know how much Uzay likes to bus his Mafia team, and he didn't do that with cupcake at all.

[Chemist1422]

If anyone thinks I’m mafia I’d like to direct them to Uzay’s ISO

Chemist that’s a Serial Killer Move right there.
Try and use that to gain the majority of players in your favour.
Not to mention stupid player because your more Serial Killer Over Mafia.
Not to mention again, you’ve only really been called Serial Killer then defend yourself as not Mafia???? (Will Smith Face)

That was in response to Rick and Qva who both called me potential mafia

Yeah shame on them for putting down the SK.
I gotcha buddy! .
Don’t stab me tonight and we gochy!

Can you stop

You’re not being productive at all and just repeating the same things and confbiasing reads

[Seththeking]

Spoiler:

Chemist you're seriously not helping your case

I'm trying, okay?

You're saying I faked the slip knowingly and actually slipped because I knew it would be fake, but I explained what actually happened. If you're not refuting that you can't push me based on the slip.

Wait What This is completely wrong .
If You are Okay with Flake TR ing You with your slip
But not aggreeing with Dash SR ing You with your flip
Than This is LAMIST
Which is FoS
Due You not keeping your original opinion ( Slip was NAI )
Happily take The cred from Flake
But refusing SRs
Actually This deserves A vote
But I Will Wait for your explanation

Quoting again for that being visible again

I missed this post

Dash wasn’t acknowledging my points, Flake was

See this

I answered it right here

Make sure you don't miss this post

I missed This .

The thing is It isnt What You First Said .
You Said that " If Dash want to Scumread me , he need to refute my points "
The thing is with that Logic , nobody can read sb based on sth .
How ?
Flake is townreading You based on that slip and afterward , right ?
Okay , Let's wrote , " If Flake want to TR You , they need to refute Dash's point/ points which Show You may be scum . "

If You Gave A reaction Like " Dash , If You aren't listening me and my points , You are just tunneling without thinking I am town , and your scumread is just baseless " , Okay , but This reaction is just Scummy IMO .

This quote chain

Okay, Chemist, I'll grant you that scum theaters often don't involve a mafia member missing one of the posts of another person.

The only thing bothering me about clearing you of Mafia completely, though, is that I know how much Uzay likes to bus his Mafia team, and he didn't do that with cupcake at all.

IMO the only way Chemist is Mafia is if Ejji Flips Serial Killer.