VFM 49: SK win #rekt

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Re: VFM 49: Setup phase

Postby cupcakeaj2 » Mon May 13, 2019 4:31 pm

0verki11 wrote:Rolecards going up in about 3 hours game will start once all are sent out.
Isos here (thanks Dash2 for them)

0verki11 (H0st)
UzayAltay
Crimson97
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Mark Zuckerberg
Flake
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cupcakeaj2 wrote:Someone make an ISO for Zucker

It's there. Keep looking


Uh huh
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 13, 2019 4:35 pm

Rickdaily12 wrote:
Phone0Ix wrote:Bon bon Flake passes test, saying a thing he did could come from scum!Flake!

Flake feels townie

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

I was literally just about to bitch how he just self-metaed and you're rewarding him for doing this now

this is NAI 10000% and this response is just gross

do you think it’s scum-indicative?
Phone0Ix wrote:
Rickdaily12 wrote:
Phone0Ix wrote:Bon bon Flake passes test, saying a thing he did could come from scum!Flake!

Flake feels townie

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

I was literally just about to bitch how he just self-metaed and you're rewarding him for doing this now

this is NAI 10000% and this response is just gross

How is self-metaing scummy, and this was the other way around o.O
Like boom townread its bad because selfmeta

The response feels natural
Rickdaily12 wrote:If you want to TR Flake, there are absolutely reasons to do it, but this isn't one of them.

Elaborate on flake, please.
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Re: VFM 49: Setup phase

Postby Flake » Mon May 13, 2019 4:37 pm

cupcakeaj2 wrote:
0verki11 wrote:Rolecards going up in about 3 hours game will start once all are sent out.
Isos here (thanks Dash2 for them)

0verki11 (H0st)
UzayAltay
Crimson97
Chemist1422
tfiosforevah
cupcakeaj2
Dash2
Eragon1329
Rickdaily12
Qvapil
GrumpyGoomba
Mark Zuckerberg
Flake
Phone0Ix
ProtoZigg

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MoustachioMario


Dash2 wrote:
cupcakeaj2 wrote:Someone make an ISO for Zucker

It's there. Keep looking


Uh huh

"Mark Zuckerberg"

only iso missing is ejjinami's
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17F: Bodyguard - Win (Lived)
VFM48: Goon - Win (Lived, Replaced in N5)
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VFM50: Goon - Win (Lived)
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby cupcakeaj2 » Mon May 13, 2019 4:42 pm

Oh ok then

Yeah I think Zucker = alt

Also he's literally "I don't like these things but I don't want to explain why"
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 13, 2019 4:42 pm

Zucker wrote:
Rickdaily12 wrote:Yeah, never mind. Zucker is definitely Seth, and that all about confirms that it's the case.

I'm definitely not impressed with his handling of the game so far, then. =/


Yeah I tend to brake character... ^_^

I just play like that though.
I read until I find a post I don’t like and go off on it and accuse that person.
What’s wrong with that play?
Doesn’t mean I’m not down to vote others but Dash is definitely not Town.

wait, are you actually confident in dash being scum?

Zucker wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Zucker wrote:
Dash2 wrote:guys let me know when zucker isn't being useless I'm blocking him now


Isn’t it illegal to block someone participating?

No


Seriously?
That seems game throwable.

that’s most definitely not SvS
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby cupcakeaj2 » Mon May 13, 2019 4:43 pm

Hmmmm

Let's look at more ISOs.
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Re: VFM 49: Setup phase

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 13, 2019 4:43 pm

Flake wrote:"Mark Zuckerberg"

only iso missing is ejjinami's

OOF :c
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 13, 2019 4:43 pm

cupcakeaj2 wrote:Hmmmm

Let's look at more ISOs.

just read the damn game, please.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby cupcakeaj2 » Mon May 13, 2019 4:44 pm

But why skip them?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby cupcakeaj2 » Mon May 13, 2019 4:45 pm

ejjinami wrote:
cupcakeaj2 wrote:Hmmmm

Let's look at more ISOs.

just read the damn game, please.


I did.

And everybody said everything I was going to say.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby cupcakeaj2 » Mon May 13, 2019 4:46 pm

Let's support more suspicious and horrible reads

To random vote or to not random vote?

/vote Uzay
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 13, 2019 4:46 pm

Zucker wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Also I've been TRing Qva for a while now


Same TBH.
Although their very townie in their scum game.
I believe them to be Town this game simply because their isn’t a “Maybe or weird Puppeting”
It’s a solid opinion they are giving which I think leads to them being Town.

can you link me to that? :3
Zucker wrote:Town Reads: Qva and Uzay
Scum Reads: at least one scum in Flake, Dash and Chemist.

Elaborate an all of those, except Qva, please.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 13, 2019 4:48 pm

cupcakeaj2 wrote:
ejjinami wrote:
cupcakeaj2 wrote:Hmmmm

Let's look at more ISOs.

just read the damn game, please.


I did.

And everybody said everything I was going to say.

what were you going to say?
which posts do you agree with?
do you have any reads???
cupcakeaj2 wrote:Let's support more suspicious and horrible reads

To random vote or to not random vote?

/vote Uzay

elaborate
and the previous question still stands, do you have any other reads?
don't just list them, say a word or 2 about each, please.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 13, 2019 4:52 pm

Dash2 wrote:Assuming the SK is dead, mafia can just as easily use their cop to narrow down who is citizen and who is not, while the vig goes and shoots whoever

PFFFFFFFFFT XD
Oh god, this is too wrong to be fake
It’s possible that dash genuinely thought about that “before getting a scum RC” and is just repeating his pre-game thoughts, but the conversation feels sooooo natural…
The slip is pretty btw
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 13, 2019 4:55 pm

tfiosforevah wrote:You can take my claim seriously, or not, either way i never know how to enter so the naturalness doesn’t really indicate my alignment lol

Who do you think is scum?
Dash2 wrote:and before you ask

tfiosforevah wrote:You can take my claim seriously, or not, either way i never know how to enter so the naturalness doesn’t really indicate my alignment lol

  • self meta
  • this kind of post doesn't make sense from town perspective
  • what even is this honestly

Elaborate on the 2-nd one, please.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 13, 2019 4:59 pm

Eragon1329 wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Eragon1329 wrote: Spoiler: Fist raised, you could cause a reaction
Ain't nobody gonna fuck with me (fuck with me)
I can tell by the way that you're acting
And we could both agree
I never felt so low
But I love the way I look, yeah
With this bloody nose
Look how many hits it took ya'
I mix pain with a little satisfaction
They go together all the same to be
I'm just tryna stay ahead of the action
And we could both agree
I never felt so low
But I love the way I look, yeah
With this bloody nose
Look how many hits it took ya
Here I go down this broken road
My smile still shows through my bloody nose
Still, I go (ooh)
Still, I go (ooh)
Yeah, I go (ooh)
I smile but there's blood in my reflection
There's violence in the poetry (poetry)
When it's over, there's no resurrection
At least for you and me
I never felt so low
But I love the way I look, yeah
With this bloody nose
Look how many hits it took ya
Here I go down this broken road
My smile still shows through my bloody nose
Still, I go (ooh)
Still, I go (ooh)
Yeah, I go (ooh)
I march on, just like violence
Today, I'll break the silence
Feels good, be compliant
Do you see me when you close your eyelids
Today I'ma get back up
Fists raised, let's get close up
Your life won't be so rough
Get the fuck up, 'cause we've had enough
Here we lay
In our final hours, like dying flowers
The price we pay
As you struggle for power that your ego devours (ego devours)
Here I go down this broken road
My smile still shows through my bloody nose
Still, I go (ooh)
Still, I go (ooh)
Yeah, I go (ooh)
I march on, just like violence
Today, I'll break the silence
Feels good, be compliant
Do you see me when you close your eyelids


Eragon
There was some good times when You just post sth Like This as town .
But later You started to post This as every alignment
This lose their furction
So , what's The reason of keep posting these ?



:ThinkEyes: :ThinkEyes:

maybe

just maybe

because I want to post it

because its fun

?

you literally did the same thing with a picture of a cat that I posted for like, no reason
and ur like "whats the meaning with this"
>literally a cat picture

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Hahahaha, I still remember that xD
I wasn’t in the game, but oh god, my eyes nearly popped out of my head when reading it
hahahha
Eragon1329 wrote:Crimson's... erm... eh eh... entrance

Eragon1329 wrote:Crimson's... erm... eh eh... entrance

Eragon1329 wrote:Crimson's... erm... eh eh... entrance

erm... uh... well... Yes.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 13, 2019 5:00 pm

Eragon1329 wrote:
Rickdaily12 wrote:I only just realized that I can't meta read you for shit and this is our first ever game together...

Craaaaaaaaaaap. D:


imo

Ejji is really...

like bleeding towny when they are town
thats my experience in 2 of my games with them on MS

I discourage you from using that meta :/
The forums are not the same, the amount of time to write posts is not the same and the players here often make it really fucking difficult to do anything.
I have to say I feel really good about the game rn though xD
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 13, 2019 5:02 pm

Flake wrote:{Flake} Town
{Dash2} ++++
{} +++
{Phone0Ix} ++
{tfiosforevah, Qvapil, UzayAltay, Zucker, ejjinami} +
{Chemist1422, Eragon1329, ProtoZigg, Crimson97, cupcakeaj2, GrumpyGoomba} Null (Approximately 50% chance of scum flip)
{Rickdaily12} -
{} --
{} ---
{} ----
{} Scum

Why is Qvap lower than Phone? And elaborare on the reads on rick and Grumpy, please.

P.Edit: saw the next post…. Ok, I guess

Does that mean you want to lynch rick today? If so, why aren’t you voting him. If no, who else do you want to lynch?

cupcakeaj2 wrote:Oh ok then

Yeah I think Zucker = alt

Also he's literally "I don't like these things but I don't want to explain why"

Does that mean you’re SRing him?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby cupcakeaj2 » Mon May 13, 2019 5:02 pm

ejjinami wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Assuming the SK is dead, mafia can just as easily use their cop to narrow down who is citizen and who is not, while the vig goes and shoots whoever

PFFFFFFFFFT XD
Oh god, this is too wrong to be fake
It’s possible that dash genuinely thought about that “before getting a scum RC” and is just repeating his pre-game thoughts, but the conversation feels sooooo natural…
The slip is pretty btw


Okay I hate you

I was going to say that I think Dash is Town because if he's Mafia, he can't possibly have made such an obvious mistake.


I like Uzay as well, doing a lot of explained reads and whatever you call this, it's not planning but meh:

UzayAltay wrote:
Rickdaily12 wrote:By the way, everyone, what do we think about the tactic of trying to avoid lynching the SK? I'm a bit torn thinking over what exactly our approach this game should be.

Like, because of the whole situation with the switches and all of the WIFOM hell, it's probably really safe to assume that Night Plans this game on our end are going to be utterly useless. We ultimately have no control over any of the night actions that get sent and that end up working, as all of that utility ultimately gets negated by the scum. So really, like, I view this game as 11 cits versus a 3v1 scum faction. The only thing really going for us is that the SK will want the Mafia as dead as badly as we do and can screw with their abilities in a way that we can't. (Like really, I'm still pretty salty that we didn't end up getting more citizens or even a role that can flip switches too.)

So, because of this, we at least have an SK that can crosskill into Mafia, and screw with their switches for as long as the Mafia remain alive. Plus, as more Mafia die, we effectively get stronger over time, since this frees more of the PRs and basically undoes a vanillasizer on the PRs. But if we lynch the SK, Scum loses a KP, but then we almost basically guarantee Scum never cross killing into each other the moment SK dies, and that could be pretty devastating, especially if multiple PRs die before hitting ever hitting Mafia.

Is it also in the better interest of the SK if they try to help us get a few Cop checks to work? They can't outright murder the Town if Mafia remains at full power, so if they did everything in their power to help us find associations between mafia, it's in all of our benefit, right?

Basically I'm unsure how Town wins without us getting lucky on the Vig or without SK helping us kill at least one of the Mafia. Is anyone else familiar with this setup?

We Obviously need Every scum lynch , but I Will prefer SK Dead over mafia .Why ? Let's compare with A Day 1 SK lynch with Day 1 Maf lynch
1) Tomorrow 10v3 versus 9v2v1
2) With SK lynch , Mafia has to free one of PRs . With All Mafia's have 3-shot , We Will be abi to use some PRs before it votes to end at worse situation ( assumation : We couldnt be able to lynch Maf for A while , Maf couldnt be able to kill our PRs )
With Maf lynch , SK can lock The PR We lynched from Mafia for A long time , and with 2 KPN , time wents stronger, and working faster against us.

Another thing I discovered is We can start using our Roles effectively when We Kill 2 scum . And Killing SK early is Actually Giving us More chance to kill A Mafia due less Dead town per Day , I think. Even it removes The possibility SK Killing Mafia .


Yeah, I voted him. Don't ask.

Qvapil wrote:I'm trying to learn from my last game, and I think it's more telling to look at those who capitalise on others' questionable plays rather than those who misplay. That's why I'm against voting dash.


What. When did Dash capitalise, what. And that isn't a perfect science either.

Phone0Ix wrote:
Rickdaily12 wrote:I'm really unsure about Chemist and Phone so far. I want to like Phone in particular as I agree with him a lot already, but I don't remember this much confidence coming from him in my games with him where he was Town. Chemist feels a bit pensive too, but sure, I can buy his school excuse. I just expect him to chime in with more meta reading than only Zucker.

I like Flake's defense of tfios. I don't know if I agree with him about her, but I do really like how he's been approaching the issue.

Did I sound confident? That's new


Phone0Ix wrote:Also how did get Dash and Chemist a townread on me from that less posts?


Oh cool. Most scum ignore posts that say they seem townie. I also like the self reflection.

The rest is just an argument over Dash's failure or people half-memeing or people explaining rules. Not much that stands out there. I also don't have much time left.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 13, 2019 5:05 pm

ok. I don't have much time left either

can you tell me what you think about grumpy? and why did you vote uzay if you're TRing him?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Rickdaily12 » Mon May 13, 2019 5:14 pm

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0verki11 wrote:
Rickdaily12 wrote:@0verkill, can a Mafia member use their switch action as well as perform the factional kill?

I guess the answer will at least settle this much.

No

Okay, so Ejj was right.

Qvapil wrote:
Rickdaily12 wrote:The reason I asked this question was to test the waters on how everyone else feels about it, though. I like what I got from it.


Could you share your thoughts on our responses rick?

Sure.

Uzay's was hard to read just because of the language barrier, but I think it's pretty in line with the rest of the conversation that lucking out on the SK early enough leads to more breathing room if SK isn't around to kill things. It felt a bit automated though because I don't think he lends enough consideration to the disruption that SK can do to the Mafia later.
Dash, once he finally got around to it, (and rereading his post in hindsight of what he was posting on page 14) clearly misunderstood the Mafia abilities and is just Town as far as I care. His analysis otherwise isn't the greatest as a result, but this is covered later.
I like Chemist's answer the most from a "What to do" perspective, but I wish he broke down the numbers a bit more in order to convince everyone else to see things his way.
Flake more or less +1-ed Chemist, but whatever. I still kinda wanted his opinion in his own words.
Next came your answer, and I more or less explained why I TR you for it and explained why I even bothered asking the question in the first place.

I'm comfortable saying that I like a TR on you for purity and a lean on Chemist for the most sensible approach, everyone else's responses were more typical and didn't touch me as much. I could dive into the other responses after explaining what I wanted from this question if you want me to do that, but having said that, I see less of a point since I more or less told everyone what I was looking for. I definitely wouldn't trust any read on this basis after how I formed yours.

Dash2 wrote:inb4 rick comes back and mocks me for correcting him on not reading the role cards correctly

what I would never do that

tfiosforevah wrote:You can take my claim seriously, or not, either way i never know how to enter so the naturalness doesn’t really indicate my alignment lol

I wish tfios didn't approach every game exactly like this.
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ejjinami wrote:Ok, I’m starting to feel more and more that all of zucker’s bullshit is just purposefully overblown “pressure” :/
Zucker wrote:At least Flake is giving detail to back up what he’s done. ^_^
Dash Refuses to give Detail
Dash states stuff with no actual context
Dash doesn’t even look like they want to actually help town
Dash should be lynched today, if Flake is still very scummy tomorrow then we can definitely vote them.

Zucker’s confidence in the read makes no sense and it’s incredibly easy to spot
And he seems overly-enthusiastic to be able to push dash, which honestly doesn’t come from (newb?)scum often...
Sigh

I would be much more sympathetic to this idea if it even looked like he was trying to analyze Dash. No references to any posts, no elaboration, just this garbage.
The only reason I'm reluctant to lynch this is because he's a clear VI choice, but at worst, this is a reason not to scum read him, not a reason to Town read him.

UzayAltay wrote:
Rickdaily12 wrote:Speaking of Uzay, I like a lot of his posts so far, but one thing that did stick out at me was his progression on Flake seemed a little bit off. I remember reading and seeing how he called Flake's actions into question from Town and voted him, only to back off in the same page saying that the reaction to the vote felt townie. It felt a little insincere when I was looking at it.

The main Issue was I saw claiming as anti-town , when Flake seems that as NAI , The vote went Because I thought From town PoV , It should be seen as anti-town regardless. Answer was good , he stays after their Word which I Like .
And I had no way for proving that is anti-town after Flake Show me Another perspective , from That perspective it could be very well creating WIFOM attempt , which reduce anti-townieness.
With This state , due it is not obvious If it is anti-town from their PoV or not , it would be not logical keeping The vote .
And Actually vote has A press aim,too , but Obviously I didnt Say that when voting .

Uzay your conversation with Flake went a little something like this:

You reacted when you see two people claim Citizen, Flake basically points out to you that the claims are WIFOM at worst.
You vote Flake and accuse him of encouraging role from Scum's POV, but again, Flake points out that the claims were WIFOM at worst and had no basis to be taken seriously.
You have a weird moment where you use emotes and Flake pretty much restates this in full.
Then you unvote him and say that you like his reaction to you.

Checking your time stamps, this conversation unfolded in about a half hour. It's still pretty weird on reread.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Dash2 » Mon May 13, 2019 5:18 pm

ejjinami wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Assuming the SK is dead, mafia can just as easily use their cop to narrow down who is citizen and who is not, while the vig goes and shoots whoever

PFFFFFFFFFT XD
Oh god, this is too wrong to be fake
It’s possible that dash genuinely thought about that “before getting a scum RC” and is just repeating his pre-game thoughts, but the conversation feels sooooo natural…
The slip is pretty btw

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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 13, 2019 5:20 pm

@0ver
can you.... maybe... post a VC........? please? :3



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I don't have time to read that xd
timezones suck, gtg

and well, I was going to post it later, but I have to go to sleep and I tend to forget about stuff like that, so I just wanted to say that cupcake’s read on uzay seems townie. Sure, wifom, but I still like it.
And it’s most definitely not SvS
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Dash2 » Mon May 13, 2019 5:21 pm

ejjinami wrote:
Dash2 wrote:and before you ask

tfiosforevah wrote:You can take my claim seriously, or not, either way i never know how to enter so the naturalness doesn’t really indicate my alignment lol

  • self meta
  • this kind of post doesn't make sense from town perspective
  • what even is this honestly

Elaborate on the 2-nd one, please.

"Haha let's confuse everyone and not say whether the claim was serious because I don't know how to read up so I'm excused. Nothing to see here."
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 13, 2019 5:21 pm

[Qvap, dash]

[phone, uzay, zucker]
[eragon, cupcake]
[crimson, chemist, tfios, Flake, ProtoZigg]
[rick]
[Grumpy]

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