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Do you think this should replace NFM?

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BFM

Postby Seththeking » Tue May 28, 2019 11:23 pm

BFM
Basic Forum Mafia
(Could even Replace New Forum Mafia since sometimes no one new joins for awhile)

Basic Small List and Basic Understandment Of the game.
Helps for new players and can use a variety of different roles to make things more interesting while still maintaining balance.
There is no closed Rolelist in BFM.
8-12 Players.

Example Rolelist:

8 Players

Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Goon
Goon
Survivor
Jester

Extra Mechanic: Even Night Mafia Kills only


9 Players

2 Shot Vigilante, Guiltless
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Goon
Goon
Citizen/Goon (Player Chooses)

Extra Mechanic:
You will instead vote for who you want to keep instead of lynch. Once there remains 1 person who wasn’t voted to keep they will be the day lynch. The Voting Phase is 2-5 Hours long per phase.




10 Players

Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Random PR Town
Random PR Town
Consort
Hypnotist
Amnesiac
Amnesiac

Extra Mechanic: You will not learn what an Amnesiac rememberers



11 Players

Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Random Town
Random Town
Random Town
Random Town
Serial Killer
Arsonist
Witch

Extra Mechanic: Neutrals have Night Chat and win together


12 Players

Innocent Child
Random Town
Random Town
Random Town
Random Town
Random Town
Random Town
Mafia
Mafia
Mafia
Witch

Extra Mechanic: Citizen can only roll in Random Town 2 Times.





Not to have.
No Rolelist higher then 12. 12 is Max.
No Townsided or Scumsided Rolelist
No complex ruling/Rolelist.

Example of Townsided Rolelist

9 Players

Doctor
Doctor
Doctor
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Mafia
Mafia

Extra Mechanic: None

Example of Scum Sided Rolelist

11 Players

Random Town
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Mafia
Mafia
Mafia
Jester

Extra Mechanic’s: Each time a Town gets miss lynched, Mafia gets 2 Kills instead of 1 the following night

Example of Complexed
(Role Related)

12 Players

Cop
Citizen X6
Goon X2
Slave
Slave Hunter
Slave Master


Slave, Slave Hunter and Slave Master are all Neutrals.
Slave must stay alive and visit every night and they must visit the same player twice, if Slave Master visits them they will only Visit their target once, slave Master can only win if Slave is Alive, Slave Hunter is an SK that can’t be visited by Slave or they visit Slave, 2 nights in a row.


Example of Complexed
(Mechanic Related)

10 Player

Citizen X8
Goon X2


Mechanic:
Everynight you roll a dice, guess number and if you roll wrong you lose 2 life.
Citizen starts with 8 Life
Goon Starts with 10 Life
Goons cannot be lynched whole at full health
If a 7 roles that can only be rolled if all players roll 5 then everyone loses 4 Life.
If a 9 Roles that can only roll if all players choose 1 they gain all their life back at Lose the game in 2 turns.
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Re: BFM

Postby 0verki11 » Tue May 28, 2019 11:41 pm

Like some of these might make ok VFM rolelists (Which is pretty much the same as BFM) but giving them their own queue probably isnt worth it.
Just use 9p matrix or something similar to teach newbies the basic of FM.
Also that first one is like the exact meaning of scumsided as town doesnt start with majority
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Re: BFM

Postby leeten » Tue May 28, 2019 11:59 pm

Code: Select all
8 Players:
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Goon
Goon
Survivor
Jester

Extra Mechanic: Even Night Mafia Kills only

Extra mechanic only neuters the jester here. Further, imagine a world where town lynches the jester day one, jester kills town, mafia kills town. The game is 2v2v1 with a kingmaker entering day 2, even without the extra mechanic.
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9 Players:

2 Shot Vigilante, Guiltless
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Goon
Goon
Citizen/Goon (Player Chooses)

Extra Mechanic: You will instead vote for who you want to keep instead of lynch. Once there remains 1 person who wasn’t voted to keep they will be the day lynch. The Voting Phase is 2-5 Hours long per phase.

This is insanely swingy with a player choosing cit/goon in 9p. If the player chooses goon, town mls day 1, mafia kills correctly n1, and vig panic shoots n1, then it's 3v3 d2; mafia is ensured a ml with the extra mechanic, assume vig is still alive, game ends up in 2v2 with vig dead with a correct shot in d3. If the mechanic is not in play, they just have to ml d2 for a win.

It's possible to go on and on.

These serve no purpose to introduce new players to mafia, nor do they have any semblance of balance. They more closely resemble chaos style TOS setups, which, while are suitable for a group of close friends, are not good for a nfm-style games, nor are they likely to even pass the balance team for vfm.
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Re: BFM

Postby Dash2 » Wed May 29, 2019 12:28 am

These may as well be bad VFM setups. I don't see how changing the rolelist will change the fact that the newbie fm hardly gets players. This will just be rinse and repeat but with worse setups. Plus all of these mechanics aren't even standard, so why are these setups supposedly "basic" if they're all swingy as hell.

Spoiler:
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Goon
Goon
Survivor
Jester

Extra Mechanic: Even Night Mafia Kills only


4v2v1v1 is literally never balanced in a standard, plus not only do people not use these neutral roles anymore, but it adds more chaos than it's supposed to for 8 players. This setup is a scum win waiting to happen, even with the even night kills only which is already bad as is.

2 Shot Vigilante, Guiltless
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Goon
Goon
Citizen/Goon (Player Chooses)

Extra Mechanic:
You will instead vote for who you want to keep instead of lynch. Once there remains 1 person who wasn’t voted to keep they will be the day lynch. The Voting Phase is 2-5 Hours long per phase.


I was gonna say this may as well be a VFM setup, then I noticed the problem. First off I'm pretty sure the "citizen/goon" thing is bastard but I could be wrong, but either way this is a pretty disgusting role. Voting to keep a player is broken as hell in so many ways, and that timeframe is literally I could sleep through 2 phases and not know a thing about what happened.


Actually the more I read these, the more broken and insane these get. How are any of these setups supposedly supposed to be basic and teach new players how mafia works if the setups are too chaotic and complicated to begin with? If your plan is to introduce them to a basic concept, VFM exists exactly for that which already defeats the purpose of this BFM.
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Re: BFM

Postby fwogcarf » Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:51 pm

Seth, do you understand the game?
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Re: BFM

Postby Phone0Ix » Sat Jun 08, 2019 2:50 pm

Sorry Seth but the fact it has 15 no votes is funny xD
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Re: BFM

Postby Flake » Sat Jun 08, 2019 2:52 pm

Phone0Ix wrote:Sorry Seth but the fact it has 15 no votes is funny xD

make that 16
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Re: BFM

Postby Chemist1422 » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:12 pm

Flake wrote:
Phone0Ix wrote:Sorry Seth but the fact it has 15 no votes is funny xD

make that 16

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Re: BFM

Postby Seththeking » Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:46 pm

Chemist1422 wrote:
Flake wrote:
Phone0Ix wrote:Sorry Seth but the fact it has 15 no votes is funny xD

make that 16

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Re: BFM

Postby Seththeking » Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:47 pm

Now I just made it 20.
I still think Hidden forum Mafia is good though but BFM needs a reworkz
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Re: BFM

Postby fwogcarf » Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:56 am

Seththeking wrote:Now I just made it 20.
I still think Hidden forum Mafia is good though but BFM needs a reworkz

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get a grip and accept both are unbalanced
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Re: BFM

Postby ChamAlien » Fri Jun 21, 2019 9:28 am

If only we used this cooperation to find scum...
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Re: BFM

Postby dota2reporter » Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:27 pm

ChamAlien wrote:If only we used this cooperation to find scum...

what if i am scum
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Re: BFM

Postby ChamAlien » Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:28 pm

dota2reporter wrote:
ChamAlien wrote:If only we used this cooperation to find scum...

what if i am scum

then you would be dead
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Re: BFM

Postby dota2reporter » Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:36 pm

ChamAlien wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
ChamAlien wrote:If only we used this cooperation to find scum...

what if i am scum

then you would be dead

what if i'm ben sharipo and i destroy you with facts
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Re: BFM

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:44 am

dota2reporter wrote:
ChamAlien wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
ChamAlien wrote:If only we used this cooperation to find scum...

what if i am scum

then you would be dead

what if i'm ben sharipo and i destroy you with facts

Then ben shapiro will come and destroy you with real facts.
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Re: BFM

Postby dota2reporter » Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:47 am

omg i've been pronouncing and writing his surname wrong all this time

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Re: BFM

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:52 am

dota2reporter wrote:omg i've been pronouncing and writing his surname wrong all this time

my avi fits

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Re: BFM

Postby dota2reporter » Sat Jun 22, 2019 5:54 am

i do not deserve to be a part of the big brain gang anymore
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Re: BFM

Postby ChamAlien » Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:27 am

I thought you were making a joke (shaRIPo)
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Re: BFM

Postby dota2reporter » Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:32 am

ChamAlien wrote:I thought you were making a joke (shaRIPo)

nope i literally thought that's the correct way of saying it
well i mean it sounds better
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