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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Fri May 17, 2019 7:10 pm

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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby ejjinami » Fri May 17, 2019 7:12 pm

ok, I really don’t like the conversation between Rick and Flake. It feels like rick is overreacting and I don’t like the way he immediately got a SR on both Flake and Chemist after they pushed him.
I don’t think the anger is fake, but it definitely shouldn’t have been enough to warrant an immediate SR on the ones who pushed him. And unless I’m misreading sth, I don’t see where his confidence in the read came from.
It’s possible that he made the read because of Flake genuinely enraging him, but it feels like sth that should come more likely from scum than town, even if only because townies should have more reasons to care about making sure they push scum. Elaborate on the read, please.

and flake’s responses make no sense. Some of them feel like he’s writing them in a way that’s supposed to make his targets angry and lose self-control, which is definitely more likely to come from someone who’s attempting to manipulate others into acting badly, in order to get some “easy MLes”.
Flake wrote:show me evidence

“show me screens from a private conversation, or else you're scum”
Flake wrote:show me evidence
Flake wrote:
Rickdaily12 wrote:discussion here is straight up lamist
zero points speculating this without kill credits and with the switches to consider

It's not lamist, it's just me making points from my PoV, is that not acceptable??

obviously provocative and obviously written in a way that's supposed to make flake look good and Rick look worse for pushing him
Flake wrote:
Rickdaily12 wrote:
Flake wrote:show me evidence

if you dont know this
you have zero fucking business meta reading me and speculating what conversations ejj and i shouldnt be having
on this you can straight up piss off

Uh

am I missing something or am i literally being vilified for speculating something that is potentially helpful to the game?

and I feel it’s really unlikely for flake not to understand what rick was talking about. Unless I somehow managed to misunderstand it in a weird way, he seems to have just twisted rick’s words in a way that would make him look scummier, which I really don’t like.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby ejjinami » Fri May 17, 2019 7:24 pm

Dash2 wrote:Chemist no town ever acts this way and you know that

Tbh I don’t think I’m buying your read on chemist rn. I don’t think the explanation was forced
can you elaborate on the read?
Flake wrote:look can my town pool stop being bad and just lynch the obv scum in ejjinami

thanks

eLaBoRaTe pLeAsE
Flake wrote:goomba's reads don't make sense coming from mafia

why?
GrumpyGoomba wrote:Okay I have finally caught up with the thread. Did a cop check on me succeed? If not then don't claim. See people think that I am the sk. If I was the sk then :-
1. I would be immune to mafia kills, that would make it so that cop can find me. Why would I want that to happen to me actively?
2. I would be immune to vig/cop. That would make it so that I am literally announcing to the mafia that I am not immune to them by wanting a cop check on me, making it so that maf can eliminate me anytime they want.

How could what I am doing be even remotely beneficial to me if i were the SK?

As for me being mafia, I don't really know people would come to that conclusion. Who would I even be in a scum team with?

dO yOu hAvE aNyThInG eLsE tO sAy?
GrumpyGoomba wrote:/Vote cupcake

again, I really doubt grumpy is MvM with cupcake
there's literally no reason for them to buss, since Dash was the only one who said anything about lynching them today.
Grumpy would have to be incredibly paranoid to buss cupcake immediately, FOR THE 2’ND TIME.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby ejjinami » Fri May 17, 2019 7:31 pm

Flake wrote:To people who think mine and chemist's interaction is orchestrated

In what world does Mafia come up with

"hey chem, you make a fake slip by including someone who dies you out on it, i'll deepwolf and call you outed scum because i'll say i think you make the slip on someone specifically rather than you knowing the possibility that it could be a slip but not being bothered to remove the slip after the flip of the someone who dies, but then i'll realise it's actually you just knowing the possibility it could be a slip pre-flip and do a completee 180 on you"

like can you all use your brains for a bit

NO

ONE

ORCHESTRATES

THIS

AS

MAFIA

EVER

NO ONE COMES UP WITH THAT PLAN

honestly, I don’t think you would have needed to discuss it previously
There’s nothing that makes it unlikely to have been simple, unplanned distancing.
You’re making an unnecessary fuss about it
Rickdaily12 wrote:Ugh I'm so tired. I work earlier tomorrow too, so I'll post some catchup, but I'm not going to be on for too long tonight.

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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby ejjinami » Fri May 17, 2019 7:39 pm

Flake wrote:i have a few reasons for thinking ejji is scum

early game comments on SK seem incredibly dubious with their comments on SK, and let's just say I also have an angleshot also alluding to the idea that they are SK or at least scum

You’re talking about me noticing that SK might not have been able to send their ability choice, right?
if so, no, I’m overly aware of the setup and host responsibilities because I’ve been hosting non-stop in here and on MS for around 2 months. It’s kinda difficult to get out of that mindset if you’ve done it for too long.
Flake wrote:they don't really seem to ever try to progress the game themselves; almost all their posts where "attempted progression" is made it's just asking people to elaborate on things constantly

that’s because it’s needed. It’s just the way I play, it’s not scummy.
You seem to have read my ISO from my last VFM and unless sth is seriously wrong with my memory, I’ve done that A LOT more there than here, so you SRing me for it is weird imo.

the rest is actually fair. I don’t think I have anything to say about that.
The way I play largely depends on my mood and on the game-progression, so I guess my posts might have been tonally differently in the game you checked. :/
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby ejjinami » Fri May 17, 2019 7:51 pm

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=99445&start=1425#p3171380
/pat ):


Rickdaily12 wrote: Spoiler: Flake, I'm sorry, but no. There are pairings of Mafia teams that would certainly not be able to pull some kind of "slip" tactic in the thread on the fly, certainly, but if your argument is that you and Chemist don't have the skill set to pull this off, don't even bother. You don't qualify for this premise.

You and Chemist are two skilled players who I think wouldn't be afraid to attempt something like this if you put yourselves up to it. If your argument is that "it's too difficult to fake" and that "it's too genuine for people at our skill level", it's never going to fly with me, and I don't care how hard you try to dispute this, you're not going to convince me when I know that you and Chemist are smart enough to make something like this work.

Is my take wrong on this? Possibly. But if your argument revolves around difficulty and skill level between you and Chemist, then it's a pretty shitty argument.

Adding this, since it's relevant:

Flake wrote:To people who think mine and chemist's interaction is orchestrated

In what world does Mafia come up with

"hey chem, you make a fake slip by including someone who dies you out on it, i'll deepwolf and call you outed scum because i'll say i think you make the slip on someone specifically rather than you knowing the possibility that it could be a slip but not being bothered to remove the slip after the flip of the someone who dies, but then i'll realise it's actually you just knowing the possibility it could be a slip pre-flip and do a completee 180 on you"

like can you all use your brains for a bit

NO ONE ORCHESTRATES THIS AS MAFIA EVER

NO ONE COMES UP WITH THAT PLAN

How about, the same world where Mafia!Chemist says this:

Chemist1422 wrote:Cool are we just gonna have everyone townslip


Everyone this game so far has literally spent the entire time talking about how this person or that person derped themselves into being called lock town so far. If I were Mafia in this game and I saw everyone narrowing down their PoE lists because of it, then yeah, I can see myself trying to fabricate something like this, and I can totally see other people doing it as Mafia too. This kind of scum theater would also serve a hell of a lot of purpose under the circumstances too. I don't see it going exactly the way you quoted it in the above (not unless you're the biggest troll literally ever and this is exactly how it went), but I can see it getting suggested no problem at all.

Flake, seriously, like how exactly do you plan on expecting us to believe that you wouldn't pull this off as scum because you don't have the skill for it?

I really like that post
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby ejjinami » Fri May 17, 2019 8:02 pm

Dash2 wrote:This is absolute chaos I'm about to replace out

hush, look at the puppies


compared to some games that have run here lately, I don’t think this one is that bad tbh

Dash2 wrote:I'm just caving in now because you know what I'm probably gonna die tonight anyway and at this point you've all drained my patience.

Some of you may have noticed I've been focusing a lot on cupcake today and finding possible associations with him. This is because I am the cop and I checked him last night. Guess what? He turned out to be mafia.

I kinda figured it’d be sth like that based on the way people reacted to my posts, but still, nice :0

The day hasn’t ended yet, so I’m assuming it’s intentional.
Actually, I’d prefer it that way anyway, I think.
Let me catch up first xd
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Dash2 » Fri May 17, 2019 8:15 pm

ejjinami wrote:
Dash2 wrote:This is absolute chaos I'm about to replace out

hush, look at the puppies

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Anyways I'm gonna try and do something for a few minutes. I'm really trying my hardest to get stuff done but it's my graduation weekend aaaaaaa
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby 0verki11 » Fri May 17, 2019 8:27 pm

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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby ejjinami » Fri May 17, 2019 8:43 pm

GrumpyGoomba wrote:I wonder if I truly would've put this much focus on me being the sk if I actually were sk...

Anyways nope you are wrong. Swap me for ejj and that's a go on the scums.

elaborate on your read on me
Flake wrote:if cupcake actually didn't read his rolecard up until the end

ejjinami wrote:
cupcakeaj2 wrote:Hmmmm

Let's look at more ISOs.

just read the damn game, please.


ejjinami wrote:
cupcakeaj2 wrote:Idea: Don't look at your rolecard until N1

@0verki11 can I ask you to confirm that cupcake HAS ACTUALLY READ HIS ROLE-CARD?
Ask him to confirm privately or sth.
thx


these posts from ejji could be telling

Assuming he didn’t read his RC, do you really think if I were SvS with him, I’d have written that in the game thread instead of on discord? -_-
This is lv0 reasoning

and fuck, I’m starting to fall asleep while writing, it’s way too late even for my standards
I have just started reading page 61. Gonna finish it tomorrow
sorry for that

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Dash2 wrote:
ejjinami wrote:
Dash2 wrote:This is absolute chaos I'm about to replace out

hush, look at the puppies
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Anyways I'm gonna try and do something for a few minutes. I'm really trying my hardest to get stuff done but it's my graduation weekend aaaaaaa

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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Sat May 18, 2019 1:23 am

Flake wrote:
Qvapil wrote:I know you're townreading chemist, but why not tfios?

i said stuff about tfios at some point in my iso

that stuff still holds, like the opening read and stuff

also i doubt mafia!tfios pushes the idea that killing mafia first over SK is a good idea

also probs mafia!tfios doesn't say this knowing cupcake is mafia:

"IMO, crimson is doing this more than cupcake, but cupcake appears to be the top wagon , so like I said I’m fine with either"

Since it'd run the risk of making her look bad after crimson green flip



I searched your iso and I disagree. Both on the meta part, though I'm willing to ignore that, and on your other two points. Whether they prefer mafia or SK to die first is irrelevant, they could say whatever as either alignment, especially since it was purely hypothetical discussion. And your point about that quote being too incriminating is ???. It's scummy exactly because it's incriminating
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Flake » Sat May 18, 2019 1:41 am

ejjinami wrote:
Flake wrote:if cupcake actually didn't read his rolecard up until the end

ejjinami wrote:
cupcakeaj2 wrote:Hmmmm

Let's look at more ISOs.

just read the damn game, please.


ejjinami wrote:
cupcakeaj2 wrote:Idea: Don't look at your rolecard until N1

@0verki11 can I ask you to confirm that cupcake HAS ACTUALLY READ HIS ROLE-CARD?
Ask him to confirm privately or sth.
thx


these posts from ejji could be telling

Assuming he didn’t read his RC, do you really think if I were SvS with him, I’d have written that in the game thread instead of on discord? -_-
This is lv0 reasoning

I didn't necessarily mean telling to mean scummy

Also I think you can only be Town/SK now
FM Record: 11 - 4
Spoiler: 16C: Arsonist - Win (Lived)
VFM37: Citizen - Loss (Lynched D2)
16E: Veteran - Loss (Endgamed)
SFM47: Parity Cop - Win (Lived)
17D: Mafia Vig - Win (Died N2)
VFM46: Goon - Win (Lived)
17F: Bodyguard - Win (Lived)
VFM48: Goon - Win (Lived, Replaced in N5)
VFM49: Citizen - Loss (Died N2)
SFM58: Doctor-esque - Win (Lived)
VFM50: Goon - Win (Lived)
18B: Citizen - Win (Lived)
18C: Godfather - Win (Lived)
VFM52: Citizen - Win (Died N1)
SFM60: Citizen - Loss (Endgamed, Replaced in D4)
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Sat May 18, 2019 1:48 am

Flake wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Qvapil wrote:Uzay could you explain what you mean by pockety? When you were talking about ejji and me townreading you

Psicologically , people tend to act good to Player they are acted good by , and vice versa .Also Applies from " bad act" .
So , scum can try acting good / townread The players who think they can effect their read with , with hope that Will cause A townread on them , or A Choose which benefit them later at Game .


Oh I get it. Thanks, you're being really helpful.

is it just me that finds this fake


Dude are you being serious? I asked a question, uzay answered and I fucking thanked him. I think you're looking at this with confirmation bias to justify my place in your scumteams.

By the way, what are your thoughts on ejji's vca megapost? They argued pretty convincingly in favour of uzay, who you are against, and in general the points they presented differed from your pools of possible scum.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Flake » Sat May 18, 2019 1:58 am

Qvapil wrote:
Flake wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Qvapil wrote:Uzay could you explain what you mean by pockety? When you were talking about ejji and me townreading you

Psicologically , people tend to act good to Player they are acted good by , and vice versa .Also Applies from " bad act" .
So , scum can try acting good / townread The players who think they can effect their read with , with hope that Will cause A townread on them , or A Choose which benefit them later at Game .


Oh I get it. Thanks, you're being really helpful.

is it just me that finds this fake


Dude are you being serious? I asked a question, uzay answered and I fucking thanked him. I think you're looking at this with confirmation bias to justify my place in your scumteams.

By the way, what are your thoughts on ejji's vca megapost? They argued pretty convincingly in favour of uzay, who you are against, and in general the points they presented differed from your pools of possible scum.

AtE followed by sudden shift of discussion point

noted

they have uzay near top, cupcake at null and qva at top town

need i say more
FM Record: 11 - 4
Spoiler: 16C: Arsonist - Win (Lived)
VFM37: Citizen - Loss (Lynched D2)
16E: Veteran - Loss (Endgamed)
SFM47: Parity Cop - Win (Lived)
17D: Mafia Vig - Win (Died N2)
VFM46: Goon - Win (Lived)
17F: Bodyguard - Win (Lived)
VFM48: Goon - Win (Lived, Replaced in N5)
VFM49: Citizen - Loss (Died N2)
SFM58: Doctor-esque - Win (Lived)
VFM50: Goon - Win (Lived)
18B: Citizen - Win (Lived)
18C: Godfather - Win (Lived)
VFM52: Citizen - Win (Died N1)
SFM60: Citizen - Loss (Endgamed, Replaced in D4)
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Qvapil » Sat May 18, 2019 2:03 am

So you only talk about things you agree with? You've been really dismissive of anything people say against your opinions.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Sat May 18, 2019 2:07 am

Flake wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
Flake wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Qvapil wrote:Uzay could you explain what you mean by pockety? When you were talking about ejji and me townreading you

Psicologically , people tend to act good to Player they are acted good by , and vice versa .Also Applies from " bad act" .
So , scum can try acting good / townread The players who think they can effect their read with , with hope that Will cause A townread on them , or A Choose which benefit them later at Game .


Oh I get it. Thanks, you're being really helpful.

is it just me that finds this fake


Dude are you being serious? I asked a question, uzay answered and I fucking thanked him. I think you're looking at this with confirmation bias to justify my place in your scumteams.

By the way, what are your thoughts on ejji's vca megapost? They argued pretty convincingly in favour of uzay, who you are against, and in general the points they presented differed from your pools of possible scum.

AtE followed by sudden shift of discussion point

noted

they have uzay near top, cupcake at null and qva at top town

need i say more

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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Flake » Sat May 18, 2019 2:08 am

GrumpyGoomba wrote:
Flake wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
Flake wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Qvapil wrote:Uzay could you explain what you mean by pockety? When you were talking about ejji and me townreading you

Psicologically , people tend to act good to Player they are acted good by , and vice versa .Also Applies from " bad act" .
So , scum can try acting good / townread The players who think they can effect their read with , with hope that Will cause A townread on them , or A Choose which benefit them later at Game .


Oh I get it. Thanks, you're being really helpful.

is it just me that finds this fake


Dude are you being serious? I asked a question, uzay answered and I fucking thanked him. I think you're looking at this with confirmation bias to justify my place in your scumteams.

By the way, what are your thoughts on ejji's vca megapost? They argued pretty convincingly in favour of uzay, who you are against, and in general the points they presented differed from your pools of possible scum.

AtE followed by sudden shift of discussion point

noted

they have uzay near top, cupcake at null and qva at top town

need i say more

They haven't caught up yet

I am aware
FM Record: 11 - 4
Spoiler: 16C: Arsonist - Win (Lived)
VFM37: Citizen - Loss (Lynched D2)
16E: Veteran - Loss (Endgamed)
SFM47: Parity Cop - Win (Lived)
17D: Mafia Vig - Win (Died N2)
VFM46: Goon - Win (Lived)
17F: Bodyguard - Win (Lived)
VFM48: Goon - Win (Lived, Replaced in N5)
VFM49: Citizen - Loss (Died N2)
SFM58: Doctor-esque - Win (Lived)
VFM50: Goon - Win (Lived)
18B: Citizen - Win (Lived)
18C: Godfather - Win (Lived)
VFM52: Citizen - Win (Died N1)
SFM60: Citizen - Loss (Endgamed, Replaced in D4)
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Flake » Sat May 18, 2019 2:10 am

Qvapil wrote:So you only talk about things you agree with? You've been really dismissive of anything people say against your opinions.

I can talk about why those 3 reads in particular are not good if you really want me to, but I feel like it's self-implied by things I've already said
FM Record: 11 - 4
Spoiler: 16C: Arsonist - Win (Lived)
VFM37: Citizen - Loss (Lynched D2)
16E: Veteran - Loss (Endgamed)
SFM47: Parity Cop - Win (Lived)
17D: Mafia Vig - Win (Died N2)
VFM46: Goon - Win (Lived)
17F: Bodyguard - Win (Lived)
VFM48: Goon - Win (Lived, Replaced in N5)
VFM49: Citizen - Loss (Died N2)
SFM58: Doctor-esque - Win (Lived)
VFM50: Goon - Win (Lived)
18B: Citizen - Win (Lived)
18C: Godfather - Win (Lived)
VFM52: Citizen - Win (Died N1)
SFM60: Citizen - Loss (Endgamed, Replaced in D4)
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Flake » Sat May 18, 2019 2:15 am

Qvapil wrote:
Flake wrote:
Qvapil wrote:I know you're townreading chemist, but why not tfios?

i said stuff about tfios at some point in my iso

that stuff still holds, like the opening read and stuff

also i doubt mafia!tfios pushes the idea that killing mafia first over SK is a good idea

also probs mafia!tfios doesn't say this knowing cupcake is mafia:

"IMO, crimson is doing this more than cupcake, but cupcake appears to be the top wagon , so like I said I’m fine with either"

Since it'd run the risk of making her look bad after crimson green flip



I searched your iso and I disagree. Both on the meta part, though I'm willing to ignore that, and on your other two points. Whether they prefer mafia or SK to die first is irrelevant, they could say whatever as either alignment, especially since it was purely hypothetical discussion. And your point about that quote being too incriminating is ???. It's scummy exactly because it's incriminating

tl;dr "they could"

yes, they COULD, but the point is I don't deem those things likely based on tfios' meta; I don't think she is one to make takes potentially hurting her alignment to some extent when she doesn't need to do so, i don't think she tries to earn towncred in that way as scum
FM Record: 11 - 4
Spoiler: 16C: Arsonist - Win (Lived)
VFM37: Citizen - Loss (Lynched D2)
16E: Veteran - Loss (Endgamed)
SFM47: Parity Cop - Win (Lived)
17D: Mafia Vig - Win (Died N2)
VFM46: Goon - Win (Lived)
17F: Bodyguard - Win (Lived)
VFM48: Goon - Win (Lived, Replaced in N5)
VFM49: Citizen - Loss (Died N2)
SFM58: Doctor-esque - Win (Lived)
VFM50: Goon - Win (Lived)
18B: Citizen - Win (Lived)
18C: Godfather - Win (Lived)
VFM52: Citizen - Win (Died N1)
SFM60: Citizen - Loss (Endgamed, Replaced in D4)
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Flake » Sat May 18, 2019 2:16 am

Flake wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
Flake wrote:
Qvapil wrote:I know you're townreading chemist, but why not tfios?

i said stuff about tfios at some point in my iso

that stuff still holds, like the opening read and stuff

also i doubt mafia!tfios pushes the idea that killing mafia first over SK is a good idea

also probs mafia!tfios doesn't say this knowing cupcake is mafia:

"IMO, crimson is doing this more than cupcake, but cupcake appears to be the top wagon , so like I said I’m fine with either"

Since it'd run the risk of making her look bad after crimson green flip



I searched your iso and I disagree. Both on the meta part, though I'm willing to ignore that, and on your other two points. Whether they prefer mafia or SK to die first is irrelevant, they could say whatever as either alignment, especially since it was purely hypothetical discussion. And your point about that quote being too incriminating is ???. It's scummy exactly because it's incriminating

tl;dr "they could"

yes, they COULD, but the point is I don't deem those things likely based on tfios' meta; I don't think she is one to make takes potentially hurting her alignment to some extent when she doesn't need to do so, i don't think she tries to earn towncred in that way as mafia

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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby 0verki11 » Sat May 18, 2019 2:30 am

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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby TheDebil » Sat May 18, 2019 2:58 am

been reading the thread somewhat but ill need to catchup
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Sat May 18, 2019 4:01 am

Flake wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
Flake wrote:
Qvapil wrote:I know you're townreading chemist, but why not tfios?

i said stuff about tfios at some point in my iso

that stuff still holds, like the opening read and stuff

also i doubt mafia!tfios pushes the idea that killing mafia first over SK is a good idea

also probs mafia!tfios doesn't say this knowing cupcake is mafia:

"IMO, crimson is doing this more than cupcake, but cupcake appears to be the top wagon , so like I said I’m fine with either"

Since it'd run the risk of making her look bad after crimson green flip



I searched your iso and I disagree. Both on the meta part, though I'm willing to ignore that, and on your other two points. Whether they prefer mafia or SK to die first is irrelevant, they could say whatever as either alignment, especially since it was purely hypothetical discussion. And your point about that quote being too incriminating is ???. It's scummy exactly because it's incriminating

tl;dr "they could"

yes, they COULD, but the point is I don't deem those things likely based on tfios' meta; I don't think she is one to make takes potentially hurting her alignment to some extent when she doesn't need to do so, i don't think she tries to earn towncred in that way as scum


Well I can't argue meta with you, but I'm not convinced. Reading just this game tfios seems very likely scum imo.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Flake » Sat May 18, 2019 4:17 am

hm

actually looking at it again, i don't like the tfios post i previously liked, where she talks about preferring crimson over cupcake

i thought at the time it was converging to a crimson lynch, but it wasn't

that could be mafia!tfios trying to push lynch onto crimson, but hard to tell
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Flake » Sat May 18, 2019 4:17 am

Flake wrote:hm

actually looking at it again, i don't like the tfios post i previously liked, where she talks about preferring a crimson lynch over cupcake lynch

i thought at the time it was converging to a crimson lynch, but it wasn't

that could be mafia!tfios trying to push lynch onto crimson, but hard to tell
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17D: Mafia Vig - Win (Died N2)
VFM46: Goon - Win (Lived)
17F: Bodyguard - Win (Lived)
VFM48: Goon - Win (Lived, Replaced in N5)
VFM49: Citizen - Loss (Died N2)
SFM58: Doctor-esque - Win (Lived)
VFM50: Goon - Win (Lived)
18B: Citizen - Win (Lived)
18C: Godfather - Win (Lived)
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