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Stop Losing ELO Whenever You Quit in Ranked

Postby DestructionII » Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:43 pm

Sooo I have been playing Ranked for about 2 years now and there is something I am noticing and kind of bothers me. Whenever I disconnect, I lose 30 ELO. Oh for crying out loud... I get that they did this to discourage players from quitting in the middle of the game, but I can't get to gold rank because I'm one of those victims whose internet randomly disconnects and reloads every hour.

Maybe, instead of losing 30 ELO, if you quit in a middle of a game, the procedure can go as it follows:

Quit 1 Ranked Game: 10 Minute Penalty
Quit 2 Ranked Games in a Period of 0-60 Minutes: 30 Minute Penalty
Quit 3 Ranked Games in a Period of 0-120 Minutes: Lose 30 ELO+60 Minute Penalty
Quit 4+ Ranked Games: Lose 30 ELO+1 Day Penalty
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Re: Stop Losing ELO Whenever You Quit in Ranked

Postby jucktropy » Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:20 am

i mean i like this idea 4 Phase Of Actions & In Master Elo it decrease to -15
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Re: Stop Losing ELO Whenever You Quit in Ranked

Postby Kirize12 » Sun Mar 03, 2019 6:19 pm

If you disconnect every hour, you have no business playing Ranked in the slightest.

Fix your internet connection. BMG is a company, they have no time for your selfishness.

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Re: Stop Losing ELO Whenever You Quit in Ranked

Postby shapesifter13 » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:12 pm

Kirize12 wrote:If you disconnect every hour, you have no business playing


^ If don't have a stable connection then you ruin games constantly.
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Re: Stop Losing ELO Whenever You Quit in Ranked

Postby DestructionII » Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:06 pm

Kirize12 wrote:If you disconnect every hour, you have no business playing Ranked in the slightest.

Fix your internet connection. BMG is a company, they have no time for your selfishness.



Sorry, but I don't take unsolicited advice from people who speak on behalf of a company they do not even work for. Thanks anyway.
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Re: Stop Losing ELO Whenever You Quit in Ranked

Postby ElderSivart » Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:36 pm

DestructionII wrote:
Kirize12 wrote:If you disconnect every hour, you have no business playing Ranked in the slightest.

Fix your internet connection. BMG is a company, they have no time for your selfishness.



Sorry, but I don't take unsolicited advice from people who speak on behalf of a company they do not even work for. Thanks anyway.

ok but what about shape's response that literally said the same thing lol
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Re: Stop Losing ELO Whenever You Quit in Ranked

Postby Atalanta8 » Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:17 pm

Yeah tell me about it. I was going to win this game but now it's -30 ELO instead. This happens ofen enough that it's drastically dwindeling my ELO. It's not my connection. Everything else works just fine. I dunno what's going on but I'll be down to 0 if it does. And clearly I'm not leaving on purpose. https://imgur.com/a/gZxUu8w
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Re: Stop Losing ELO Whenever You Quit in Ranked

Postby Kirize12 » Fri Mar 08, 2019 12:33 am

DestructionII wrote:
Kirize12 wrote:If you disconnect every hour, you have no business playing Ranked in the slightest.

Fix your internet connection. BMG is a company, they have no time for your selfishness.



Sorry, but I don't take unsolicited advice from people who speak on behalf of a company they do not even work for. Thanks anyway.

You posted on a forum, thus the “advice” is solicited.

Atalanta8 wrote:Yeah tell me about it. I was going to win this game but now it's -30 ELO instead. This happens ofen enough that it's drastically dwindeling my ELO. It's not my connection. Everything else works just fine. I dunno what's going on but I'll be down to 0 if it does. And clearly I'm not leaving on purpose. https://imgur.com/a/gZxUu8w

This is something you should speak to the devs about.
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Re: Stop Losing ELO Whenever You Quit in Ranked

Postby Flavorable » Fri Mar 08, 2019 2:53 am

Atalanta8 wrote:Yeah tell me about it. I was going to win this game but now it's -30 ELO instead. This happens ofen enough that it's drastically dwindeling my ELO. It's not my connection. Everything else works just fine. I dunno what's going on but I'll be down to 0 if it does. And clearly I'm not leaving on purpose. https://imgur.com/a/gZxUu8w


The thing is with Flash, that even a short loss of connection, which you won't normally notice on a lot of other programs, since they have a latency buffer, Flash just disconnects. Not to mention Flash is dying.

But the complaints about leavers, in Ranked especially, have become so significant that something -had- to be done about it. As annoying as it may be for you to disconnect, it's also bad for the other 14 people you play with, since your disconnect upsets the entire gamebalance.
Add to that that the game can't distinguish between freezing or leaving on purpose, since they're both basically the same thing, you no longer have a connection to the server.

Most of these issues will be fixed or significantly lessened when the port to Unity is done and the "sanctions" that are in place now are a placeholder for the upcoming new leaverbuster system which should come at a certain point in the future.

In the meantime, what you can try are the following things to (hopefully) lessen the disconnects:

For Steam
Reinstall Adobe AIR and make sure you're running Steam with Admin rights.

For browser
Don't use different tabs while having the game open, use a different window instead.
If the game freezes, try resizing the window or moving it around to proverbially kick Flash in the butt.

In general
- WiFi connected: Download a WiFi Analyser on your smartphone and check for the least busy channel, put your router on that channel (never put it on auto).
Also make sure you have QoS (Quality of Service) and Hardware Acceleration turned off, that your Router is in a high and unblocked position and there are no sources of disruption (microwaves, subwoofers, mirrors, etc) around.
- Both for WiFi AND Ethernet cable: Reset your router/modem (keep in mind that network settings will also be reset, such as network name and password), then open ports 843 and 3600 TCP/UPD on your firewall and router.
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Re: Stop Losing ELO Whenever You Quit in Ranked

Postby DestructionII » Fri Mar 08, 2019 1:50 pm

Kirize12 wrote:
DestructionII wrote:
Kirize12 wrote:If you disconnect every hour, you have no business playing Ranked in the slightest.

Fix your internet connection. BMG is a company, they have no time for your selfishness.



Sorry, but I don't take unsolicited advice from people who speak on behalf of a company they do not even work for. Thanks anyway.

You posted on a forum, thus the “advice” is solicited.


I requested for the developers to consider incorporating this change, not for some person to speak on behalf BMG. Plus, it's not my internet that is poor, it's just that it disconnects at a random time. I feel that players who also suffer from this issue should not be given a disadvantage that makes them have to play much more games to ascend their ELO. Yes, it upsets gamebalance, but there are alternative sanctions you can get for constantly leaving a game. The DEV's can even make it a one day penalty, but I disagree with the fact that you lose ELO when you leave the first time.
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Re: Stop Losing ELO Whenever You Quit in Ranked

Postby Atalanta8 » Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:49 pm

Flavorable wrote:it's also bad for the other 14 people you play with, since your disconnect upsets the entire gamebalance.


Not true. next game the guy who was maf thanked me for "free win" it was down to Sk vs maf, I prob would have won. Town didn't have a chance at that point.
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Re: Stop Losing ELO Whenever You Quit in Ranked

Postby Flake » Sat Mar 09, 2019 4:01 am

Atalanta8 wrote:
Flavorable wrote:it's also bad for the other 14 people you play with, since your disconnect upsets the entire gamebalance.


Not true. next game the guy who was maf thanked me for "free win" it was down to Sk vs maf, I prob would have won. Town didn't have a chance at that point.

Except you do upset game balance in this case; someone literally won when they otherwise wouldn't have. Even if you provided an example such that the result of the winning role/s doesn't change, the fact still remains that the odds of each faction winning will likely dramatically change as a result of a player leaving in the majority of game states, so generally it will largely affect game balance.

DestructionII wrote:I requested for the developers to consider incorporating this change, not for some person to speak on behalf BMG. Plus, it's not my internet that is poor, it's just that it disconnects at a random time. I feel that players who also suffer from this issue should not be given a disadvantage that makes them have to play much more games to ascend their ELO. Yes, it upsets gamebalance, but there are alternative sanctions you can get for constantly leaving a game. The DEV's can even make it a one day penalty, but I disagree with the fact that you lose ELO when you leave the first time.

It is certainly quite annoying to be heavily punished for something which you largely cannot control, but you need to remember that this is most likely the lesser of two evils. The amount of people leaving (thus heavily affecting game balance the majority of the time when they do leave) and the amount of people complaining about this as a result is one of if not the most prevalent issue with Ranked. Reducing the amount of players which leave games (and therefore the amount of people complaining) by providing a deterrent is likely providing a large boost in the game's health, and more than overcompensates for issues regarding a subset of players occasionally disconnecting and being punished too harshly.

I disagree with the idea that a player should be punished only after "constantly leaving a game" (i.e leaving multiple games), since the harsher punishments of such a system would likely be easily avoidable, thus wouldn't work well as a deterrent. Waiting time after quitting a game could work if the waiting time is sufficiently large after quitting every game, but I'm not seeing how that'd be any less annoying than a larger reduction in Elo.
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Re: Stop Losing ELO Whenever You Quit in Ranked

Postby James2 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:55 am

Federal law prohibits airline pilots from flying while sleep deprived. It doesn't matter if the pilot has a perfectly good reason for being sleep deprived, he is still responsible for not flying in that condition.

Likewise, if you have bad internet (internet which frequently disconnects is bad internet), it is your responsibility to refrain from playing ranked until the issue is resolved. Even if there's nothing you can do about it, that doesn't give you a right to ruin games with impunity.
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Re: Stop Losing ELO Whenever You Quit in Ranked

Postby Anyar » Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:35 am

Until the Unity port and/or a way for leavers to reconnect gets implemented, the current system is better.

Please consider that you leaving is making the game worse for your team.

Also, I've never left a single Ranked game due to a wifi disconnect so if you're disconnecting frequently, it's definitely your connection's problem and you should stop playing Ranked.
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Re: Stop Losing ELO Whenever You Quit in Ranked

Postby Atalanta8 » Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:02 pm

Anyar wrote:Until the Unity port and/or a way for leavers to reconnect gets implemented, the current system is better.

Please consider that you leaving is making the game worse for your team.

Also, I've never left a single Ranked game due to a wifi disconnect so if you're disconnecting frequently, it's definitely your connection's problem and you should stop playing Ranked.


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Re: Stop Losing ELO Whenever You Quit in Ranked

Postby DestructionII » Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:40 pm

James2 wrote:Federal law prohibits airline pilots from flying while sleep deprived. It doesn't matter if the pilot has a perfectly good reason for being sleep deprived, he is still responsible for not flying in that condition.

Likewise, if you have bad internet (internet which frequently disconnects is bad internet), it is your responsibility to refrain from playing ranked until the issue is resolved. Even if there's nothing you can do about it, that doesn't give you a right to ruin games with impunity.


You are comparing apples to oranges.
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Re: Stop Losing ELO Whenever You Quit in Ranked

Postby James2 » Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:51 pm

DestructionII wrote:
James2 wrote:Federal law prohibits airline pilots from flying while sleep deprived. It doesn't matter if the pilot has a perfectly good reason for being sleep deprived, he is still responsible for not flying in that condition.

Likewise, if you have bad internet (internet which frequently disconnects is bad internet), it is your responsibility to refrain from playing ranked until the issue is resolved. Even if there's nothing you can do about it, that doesn't give you a right to ruin games with impunity.


You are comparing apples to oranges.


And you are harming other peoples elo. Stop doing that.
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Re: Stop Losing ELO Whenever You Quit in Ranked

Postby DestructionII » Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:25 am

James2 wrote:
DestructionII wrote:
James2 wrote:Federal law prohibits airline pilots from flying while sleep deprived. It doesn't matter if the pilot has a perfectly good reason for being sleep deprived, he is still responsible for not flying in that condition.

Likewise, if you have bad internet (internet which frequently disconnects is bad internet), it is your responsibility to refrain from playing ranked until the issue is resolved. Even if there's nothing you can do about it, that doesn't give you a right to ruin games with impunity.


You are comparing apples to oranges.


And you are harming other peoples elo. Stop doing that.


Sorry if I can't help it. Like I said in my previous posts, my internet randomly disconnects whenever it wants to (I do not know when), it's not me having a slow internet connection. If I did have a slow internet connection, I would have used common sense and choose not to play a Ranked game. If I did disconnect, BMG should have alternative punishments for others who also suffer from this problem. So, you can deduce that this has nothing to do with an airline pilot being sleep deprived and having to not fly an airplane.
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Re: Stop Losing ELO Whenever You Quit in Ranked

Postby zzjay » Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:28 am

The alternative punishment is
5 leavings in ranked in a month space equals 1 tier suspension. Automatic.
Moderators will still be able to ban you manually, if you cistantly leave too many times.

1 leave =10 min penalty
2= 30
3= 1h + low priority queue (1 or 2 games)
4= 12 hours

Low priority queue= only matched with other players who have left games and are in low priority queue.

Problem is will there be enough players in this queue?
So,it's probably not a good idea in this tyoe of game.
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Re: Stop Losing ELO Whenever You Quit in Ranked

Postby James2 » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:56 am

DestructionII wrote:
James2 wrote:
DestructionII wrote:
James2 wrote:Federal law prohibits airline pilots from flying while sleep deprived. It doesn't matter if the pilot has a perfectly good reason for being sleep deprived, he is still responsible for not flying in that condition.

Likewise, if you have bad internet (internet which frequently disconnects is bad internet), it is your responsibility to refrain from playing ranked until the issue is resolved. Even if there's nothing you can do about it, that doesn't give you a right to ruin games with impunity.


You are comparing apples to oranges.


And you are harming other peoples elo. Stop doing that.


Sorry if I can't help it. Like I said in my previous posts, my internet randomly disconnects whenever it wants to (I do not know when), it's not me having a slow internet connection. If I did have a slow internet connection, I would have used common sense and choose not to play a Ranked game. If I did disconnect, BMG should have alternative punishments for others who also suffer from this problem. So, you can deduce that this has nothing to do with an airline pilot being sleep deprived and having to not fly an airplane.


If your internet disconnects enough that your ELO is getting tanked, then stop playing ranked.
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Re: Stop Losing ELO Whenever You Quit in Ranked

Postby KatiyaKramer » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:02 am

James2 wrote:
DestructionII wrote:
James2 wrote:
DestructionII wrote:
James2 wrote:Federal law prohibits airline pilots from flying while sleep deprived. It doesn't matter if the pilot has a perfectly good reason for being sleep deprived, he is still responsible for not flying in that condition.

Likewise, if you have bad internet (internet which frequently disconnects is bad internet), it is your responsibility to refrain from playing ranked until the issue is resolved. Even if there's nothing you can do about it, that doesn't give you a right to ruin games with impunity.


You are comparing apples to oranges.


And you are harming other peoples elo. Stop doing that.


Sorry if I can't help it. Like I said in my previous posts, my internet randomly disconnects whenever it wants to (I do not know when), it's not me having a slow internet connection. If I did have a slow internet connection, I would have used common sense and choose not to play a Ranked game. If I did disconnect, BMG should have alternative punishments for others who also suffer from this problem. So, you can deduce that this has nothing to do with an airline pilot being sleep deprived and having to not fly an airplane.


If your internet disconnects enough that your ELO is getting tanked, then stop playing ranked.
Or invest in a better internet connection.
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Re: Stop Losing ELO Whenever You Quit in Ranked

Postby zzjay » Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:13 am

KatiyaKramer wrote:Or invest in a better internet connection.


Some places do not have a better internet connection.
Where i live copper cables are shit.
And the optic fiber is not available, so a better internet doesn't exist.
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