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Claiming nuetral as VIP?

Postby kyuss420 » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:38 am

So its VIP mode, and I am the VIP (doc). Day 1 crusader claims as usual, GA claims he is GA (this is what I was hoping for). Day 2 comes, someone claims poisoned and psy gives his vision... the usual 2 TP claims, and the sheriff claims. People cant decide which TP claim is lieing. I claim GA, and the GA starts spamming like hes a hero for finding the first coven, then, as I hoped, the confusion results in the GA and 2 coven voting me, The VIP. The voter on the psy vision (CL) was lynched, and vigi shot the other voter (PM) that night, medusa died to pirate and the GA was poisoned. Day 2 I kept ccing the GA's accusations, hoping for the last coven to vote me, while sheriff gave info, and no roles were claimed...no votes that day.

Night 3 I healed the GA, who was now survivor, as Poisoner had the necro and I cant heal necro poison anyway. The crus was poisoned that night, pirate died to a trap... cue psy vision.... Problem was, poisoner claimed doc and jumped on the GA's healed claim, and nobody, out of the 6 town remaining, took my cc seriously, and I got abused for trolling. Probly reported for not healing the crus too (which was impossible). Town slowly died to poison over the next 3 days, didnt lynch anyone, even tho they got to a 50/50 a couple of times, with me claiming doc and pointing out 3 TP are in the graveyard every day -_- until finally poisoner hit the trapped vig and town won.

So question... Is claiming nuetral as VIP gamethrowing? Is getting coven to put votes on you considered gamethrowing? Is it a valid strategy? I thought I had done well, until town didnt believe my doc claim, but seems like poisoner didnt believe it either. I think with a smarter town, the game may have ended day 3 when I cced the poisoners doc claim.
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Re: Claiming nuetral as VIP?

Postby AshemaDeva » Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:56 am

No strategy intended to win the game is inherently throwing. It may not have been the best decision, but throwing requires the actual intent to lose the game. I am curious as to the logic in doubting a VIP's claim though. All of town can see you're VIP, and by default knew you weren't actually neutral in the beginning, so it stands to reason that once you actually came out as Doctor, that you are in fact that which you say you are. Your strategy to get the coven to vote against you was risky, but had a good reason behind it. Anyone with half a brain should have realised that the people voting against you couldn't have been town.
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Re: Claiming nuetral as VIP?

Postby TheMaroon5Fan » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:51 pm

I don't like this idea because VIP is a town role
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Re: Claiming nuetral as VIP?

Postby RevengeoftheRaccoon » Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:57 am

TheMaroon5Fan wrote:I don't like this idea because VIP is a town role

the point is to bait the Coven into voting you as VIP, because town would never vote the VIP
the Coven also gets benefits from lynching the GA, they get an extra day
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Claiming nuetral as VIP

Postby benniesmest » Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:22 am

So i just tried this on VIP by claiming Trapper and hoping CL would control me into one of their buddies, unfortuntaley PM had already investigated me N1 so they saw through the lie and sent me to the Crus instead. I still think it might work under the right circumstances though.
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Re: Claiming nuetral as VIP?

Postby Watt20I5 » Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:33 pm

The GA strat does seem to work in practice, but i dont doubt it will confuse/annoy some people.
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Re: Claiming nuetral as VIP?

Postby TheWinner2015 » Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:19 pm

kyuss420 wrote:So its VIP mode, and I am the VIP (doc). Day 1 crusader claims as usual, GA claims he is GA (this is what I was hoping for). Day 2 comes, someone claims poisoned and psy gives his vision... the usual 2 TP claims, and the sheriff claims. People cant decide which TP claim is lieing. I claim GA, and the GA starts spamming like hes a hero for finding the first coven, then, as I hoped, the confusion results in the GA and 2 coven voting me, The VIP. The voter on the psy vision (CL) was lynched, and vigi shot the other voter (PM) that night, medusa died to pirate and the GA was poisoned. Day 2 I kept ccing the GA's accusations, hoping for the last coven to vote me, while sheriff gave info, and no roles were claimed...no votes that day.

Night 3 I healed the GA, who was now survivor, as Poisoner had the necro and I cant heal necro poison anyway. The crus was poisoned that night, pirate died to a trap... cue psy vision.... Problem was, poisoner claimed doc and jumped on the GA's healed claim, and nobody, out of the 6 town remaining, took my cc seriously, and I got abused for trolling. Probly reported for not healing the crus too (which was impossible). Town slowly died to poison over the next 3 days, didnt lynch anyone, even tho they got to a 50/50 a couple of times, with me claiming doc and pointing out 3 TP are in the graveyard every day -_- until finally poisoner hit the trapped vig and town won.

So question... Is claiming nuetral as VIP gamethrowing? Is getting coven to put votes on you considered gamethrowing? Is it a valid strategy? I thought I had done well, until town didnt believe my doc claim, but seems like poisoner didnt believe it either. I think with a smarter town, the game may have ended day 3 when I cced the poisoners doc claim.


The Real question is: Why did the town, knowing full well that you were the VIP, a confirmed town, think that you were evil?
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Re: Claiming nuetral as VIP?

Postby kyuss420 » Mon Aug 05, 2019 1:41 am

They assumed I was trolling, because they cant come up with plays on their own and usually stick to the sandbox methods, and accuse anyone of not playing sandbox of gamethrowing.

The strat does work, although using it often will stop it from working, I have used it a few times since, in situations where town was losing.

Im VIP trapper, 2 crusaders killed each other on me n1 (town is screwed)..... I claim GA, get the cc and get 4 votes. The GA and 3 coven (1 of which was on psy vision) We lynched the one on psy vision, vigi shot another n2, lynched the 3rd day 3, putting town back in a winning position. Also note, town didnt start screaming to get the guys who voted, or telling vigi to shoot one of the voters (I was the only vote on VIP once..he was on vision, as a PM who healed the CL night 1. 4 town started pushing on me and telling vigi to shoot, which made it obvious to me, that i had voted the VIP... there was no other reason for it, needless to say I killed vip that night, while crus was controlled)

Problem is, with 4 coven, GA and a pirate voting you, it can backfire in certain situations.
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Re: Claiming nuetral as VIP?

Postby James2 » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:21 pm

kyuss420 wrote:So its VIP mode, and I am the VIP (doc). Day 1 crusader claims as usual, GA claims he is GA (this is what I was hoping for). Day 2 comes, someone claims poisoned and psy gives his vision... the usual 2 TP claims, and the sheriff claims. People cant decide which TP claim is lieing. I claim GA, and the GA starts spamming like hes a hero for finding the first coven, then, as I hoped, the confusion results in the GA and 2 coven voting me, The VIP. The voter on the psy vision (CL) was lynched, and vigi shot the other voter (PM) that night, medusa died to pirate and the GA was poisoned. Day 2 I kept ccing the GA's accusations, hoping for the last coven to vote me, while sheriff gave info, and no roles were claimed...no votes that day.

Night 3 I healed the GA, who was now survivor, as Poisoner had the necro and I cant heal necro poison anyway. The crus was poisoned that night, pirate died to a trap... cue psy vision.... Problem was, poisoner claimed doc and jumped on the GA's healed claim, and nobody, out of the 6 town remaining, took my cc seriously, and I got abused for trolling. Probly reported for not healing the crus too (which was impossible). Town slowly died to poison over the next 3 days, didnt lynch anyone, even tho they got to a 50/50 a couple of times, with me claiming doc and pointing out 3 TP are in the graveyard every day -_- until finally poisoner hit the trapped vig and town won.

So question... Is claiming nuetral as VIP gamethrowing? Is getting coven to put votes on you considered gamethrowing? Is it a valid strategy? I thought I had done well, until town didnt believe my doc claim, but seems like poisoner didnt believe it either. I think with a smarter town, the game may have ended day 3 when I cced the poisoners doc claim.


It's the same logic as voting up the VIP. Perfectly valid strategy.
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