Catalyst (Mafia Deception)

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Catalyst (Mafia Deception)

Postby TrueGuardian32 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:52 am

This is a idea I had for The Order Expansion but reworked

Role: Catalyst (Mafia Deception)
Alignment: Mafia Deception
Ability: Fake Death
Attributes: Can Fake Death once per game, when dead he will have a Icon he can use to revive himself. He is forced to revive if all Mafia are dead. He also turns into mafioso
Special Attibutes: None
Notes: Faking Death will display him as a random Mafia role. Not as Catalyst.

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Re: Catalyst (Mafia Deception)

Postby Jafetlamval17 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 11:03 am

And that is fucked up.
Let's say you fake die.
You appear as Consigliere.
Then revive=Insta-lynch.
You can change it so it can fake to be a town role, but that would be more a Disguiser Buff.
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Re: Catalyst (Mafia Deception)

Postby Lemondude617 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:18 pm

Nah, it's not underpowered at all. Think of it as: while you're dead, you're invincible and can come back at any time. In a way it might actually be OP because of this "invincibility" factor.
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Re: Catalyst (Mafia Deception)

Postby lemonader666 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:55 pm

Lemondude617 wrote:Nah, it's not underpowered at all. Think of it as: while you're dead, you're invincible and can come back at any time. In a way it might actually be OP because of this "invincibility" factor.

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Re: Catalyst (Mafia Deception)

Postby Mystoc » Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:51 am

ok what if you are attacked the night you fake your death which take precedence? your faking death or u being attacked

ok but what death message does rest of town see? (getting killed by mafia is prolly best) you can't really fool town if there's suddenly an extra death that shouldn't be there (mafia could choose to not kill anyone that night to make you death appear authentic if they wanted too)

does person who faked death see death chat?

can person who faked death talk to mafia during the night?

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ok heres an idea

make it a day ability u select yourself and one other person during the day (sun icon)

-the other person is the role you appear as when u fake die
-you are told their role the following night this give you time to make a fake will
at end of night you die are are shown as that role

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last suggestion

make it so a person who faked their death can whisper to mafia members (no one else sees you did a whisper)
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Re: Catalyst (Mafia Deception)

Postby TrueGuardian32 » Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:38 pm

Addressing some concerns, the Catalyst Fake death option is a day ability, but it happens next day.
If the Catalyst is attacked one the night he tries to fake his death he will still die, If he is jailed or escorted or any sort of roleblock happens to him he will not fake his death.
If he fails to fake death his sun Icon will remain.
Making the Catalyst able to choose a person to disguise as when dead, it is no different than a buffed Disguiser.

Also thinking about making it where the Catalyst can't stay in fake death state for more than 3 days.

Also on some of the suggestions.
When the Catalyst is faking death he can't talk but he can hear the mafia. He also isn't able to speak to dead chat, but he can speak to medium.

Also thinking about Amnesiac and figured he wouldn't become Catalyst and become the role that the Catalyst showed in the Graveyard, like Janitor or Framer.

Catalyst cannot become GF or Mafioso when faking death.

Also when Catalyst revives no message is sent to town he is just there. As if he never died.
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Re: Catalyst (Mafia Deception)

Postby Mystoc » Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:13 pm

you cant roleblock day abilities they are no exceptions to this the roleblock happens during the night the ability happens during the day , its counter intuitive and expectations should not be made it breaks game logic
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Re: Catalyst (Mafia Deception)

Postby TrueGuardian32 » Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:29 pm

Mystoc wrote:you cant roleblock day abilities they are no exceptions to this the roleblock happens during the night the ability happens during the day , its counter intuitive and expectations should not be made it breaks game logic


Think of it like this.
The Catalyst starts preparing to fake his death.
A Escort arrived.
Catalyst drops everything and gets into action.

Also ability doesn't immediately take effect. You activate it during the day. Then it takes effect the following day. So I don't see how it breaks game Logic.
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Re: Catalyst (Mafia Deception)

Postby Spectre0 » Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:25 am

It's a sweet concept, but there's only one way to play this role:

- Cripple early game by killing yourself

- Come back later for vote advantage


Sick concept, but this would be garbage to play as or against. There's no strategy involved and you spend half the game jacking off while dead waiting for your team to get slaughtered since you have one less person or win.


Also, it's a win-more role. It's most useful in situations mafia has already won.
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Re: Catalyst (Mafia Deception)

Postby TrueGuardian32 » Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:29 pm

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Spectre0 wrote:It's a sweet concept, but there's only one way to play this role:

- Cripple early game by killing yourself

- Come back later for vote advantage


Sick concept, but this would be garbage to play as or against. There's no strategy involved and you spend half the game jacking off while dead waiting for your team to get slaughtered since you have one less person or win.


Also, it's a win-more role. It's most useful in situations mafia has already won.


That is what some people would do, especially with no night limit, so I was thinking about making a 3 night limit till your forced to revive, also in situations where mafia are all dead he would be forced to immediately comeback to life on the same day. (Unless by lynching)

I'd say this role would be more useful late game (If your a skilled player) when your about to get accused in a VFR or everyone else has a claim but you situation. It could save your life for a day and you could return when your maf doesn't have majority and make the mafia have equal numbers to town.
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Re: Catalyst (Mafia Deception)

Postby Flare12332 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:37 am

Mystoc wrote:you cant roleblock day abilities they are no exceptions to this the roleblock happens during the night the ability happens during the day , its counter intuitive and expectations should not be made it breaks game logic

but faking death happens at night, like being jailed happens at night and if you are RBed you will not execute your prisoner
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Re: Catalyst (Mafia Deception)

Postby Flare12332 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:39 am

but how will it say you died?
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Re: Catalyst (Mafia Deception)

Postby TrueGuardian32 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:08 am

Flare12332 wrote:but how will it say you died?

It's role based, aka it RNG's between the killers in the game.

Serial Killer
Arsonist
Vampire
etc,
It will RNG between the available roles in the game, if there are no kill capable non mafia roles you will be shown to have committed suicide.
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Re: Catalyst (Mafia Deception)

Postby lemonader666 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:11 am

That's horrible. That kind of RNG is horrible.
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Re: Catalyst (Mafia Deception)

Postby TrueGuardian32 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:13 am

lemonader666 wrote:That's horrible. That kind of RNG is horrible.

I'm not sure what to replace it with though,
I could give the Catalyst the option to choose what he dies from I guess.
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Re: Catalyst (Mafia Deception)

Postby Mystoc » Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:41 am

I'm not sure what to replace it with though,
I could give the Catalyst the option to choose what he dies from I guess.

you need to change it to only fake your death if actually die for real

having a fake death from not not actually getting attacked won't work it will be apparent right away thats its a fake cause an extra kill happened that shouldn't be possible

give its 2-3 uses if it dies or is hanged it fakes its death then can choose when to come back into the game

1 use of charge means if you die during that night or are hanged the following day you don't die but fake your death instead

while fake dead it can still chat with mafia too

this roles name makes no sense too

call it actor or deceiver instead
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Re: Catalyst (Mafia Deception)

Postby TrueGuardian32 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:07 pm

Mystoc wrote:
I'm not sure what to replace it with though,
I could give the Catalyst the option to choose what he dies from I guess.

you need to change it to only fake your death if actually die for real

having a fake death from not not actually getting attacked won't work it will be apparent right away thats its a fake cause an extra kill happened that shouldn't be possible

give its 2-3 uses if it dies or is hanged it fakes its death then can choose when to come back into the game

1 use of charge means if you die during that night or are hanged the following day you don't die but fake your death instead

while fake dead it can still chat with mafia too

this roles name makes no sense too

call it actor or deceiver instead

I guess I could do that, also I chose Catalyst cause there are already Role Ideas with the name Actor/Deciever, also I couldn't find a better name.
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Re: Catalyst (Mafia Deception)

Postby Mystoc » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:22 pm

TrueGuardian32 wrote:
Mystoc wrote:
I'm not sure what to replace it with though,
I could give the Catalyst the option to choose what he dies from I guess.

you need to change it to only fake your death if actually die for real

having a fake death from not not actually getting attacked won't work it will be apparent right away thats its a fake cause an extra kill happened that shouldn't be possible

give its 2-3 uses if it dies or is hanged it fakes its death then can choose when to come back into the game

1 use of charge means if you die during that night or are hanged the following day you don't die but fake your death instead

while fake dead it can still chat with mafia too

this roles name makes no sense too

call it actor or deceiver instead

I guess I could do that, also I chose Catalyst cause there are already Role Ideas with the name Actor/Deciever, also I couldn't find a better name.


general rule is ok to have same name as other existing roles has long as they aren't in TG pretty sure neither of those role names are TG
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