Soulshade55r wrote:HereThereEverywhere wrote:If you don't agree, don't vote, easy.
That's like if YouTube only had a like system.
It's better to know how much people Also disagree with it this could annoy a lot of people when they make big role changes.
I know it's only a idea but I don't think it's really worth changing Jester and Executioner into NBs
Executioner is not broken, and Jester only need a small change to fix it
I do get that Witch is a lot different to Jester and Executioner, and there should be more roles like Witch (like Warlock) and maybe categorise Jester and Executioner something other then NE.
HereThereEverywhere wrote:Villager, you don't need people to read through this. There's only a handful that actually matter, and those are the Developers, for anyone else it literally doesn't matter if you can't see people's disagreement with the role.
HereThereEverywhere wrote:I'm not saying I support using the poll system which is meant for polls to make a petition but if it stops people from voting no, and not saying anything at all, then it's probably worth it.
Kirize12 wrote:It’s literally a petition. Implying you know more about it than it’s creator is flat-out asinine.
KatiyaKramer wrote:Villagerlover wrote:
Having a poll that only says "Yes" is bias against people who don't want this to happen. (And no, it's not a petition. It's a poll trap)
It is a trap. I voted on this the other day, and I thought the lower option was going to be "no." Only now do I realize it was another yes. How dumb I feel right now.![]()
Jester is awesome the way it is now, and it should not be changed. It's one of my favorite roles in the game.
/nosupport from me on this.
HereThereEverywhere wrote:Villager, there's a difference between voting yes and voting no without commenting.
Yes means "I agree with this, I like it as is!" there's no reason to comment, it's basically spam if all you're going to say is that you support it. Nothing is added to the conversation.
No means "I disagree with this, I don't like it for some reason." See, this is why we can't just let people vote no without commenting. What reason do they say no for? If they don't say, then their vote is literally meaningless. They want change, but they don't say what change, so we can't listen to them.
If you vote yes, you're saying you supprt it as-is, and you have no need to post. If you disagree with it, even if you just think the idea is terrible and should be trashed, you should say why or say nothing at all. Just saying "No, I don't like it" is not helpful in any way.
Oh, and it's not a trap. The only people who get tricked are the ones who don't read what they're voting, and those people are at fault for, again, not reading before they click. That's how mistakes are made.
HereThereEverywhere wrote:Oh, and it's not a trap. The only people who get tricked are the ones who don't read what they're voting, and those people are at fault for, again, not reading before they click. That's how mistakes are made.
ICECLIMBERS wrote:Stop acting like a ringleader bigot, goose.
HereThereEverywhere wrote:You have to put two options. It's a poll mechanic, it requires two options. That's why I call it a "petition" because it's really not meant to be.
Villager, it's not a problem. If you have a problem, say it. Better yet, read through and then say it if nobody else has, but you don't have to do that. It's not hidden, it's plainly obvious if you look at the pages that some people disagree. Besides, tell me this, why the fuck do you need to know how many people disagree? You can apply that to how many people agree as well, but voting yes doesn't harm anything, allowing people to vote no without saying why does, because it means people think it's okay to just say it's a bad role without offering pointers and thus just killing it off. Nothing is hidden or buried, it just takes a bit of time to look for the disagreement. But you don't even need to fucking do that, knowing how many people do or don't like it means nothing, even if the Devs see it, they shouldn't give a damn about how many people do or don't like it, if they like it they should add it. Unless the yes or no votes are a majority of the entire community, it doesn't matter. So if anything, I say we remove the poll in general, since it's not doing anything. But just having yes and no no doesn't hurt, and you're making it out to be some problem it's not.
Gooose26 wrote:So you are going to tell me that, despite the lack of evidence, that the people are all voting incorrectly and just can't change it back to what they want.
Gooose26 wrote:You do have a point on one thing though, what if you change your mind?
Flake wrote:Very good points - perhaps pranks could solely be night based; you have 2 night pranks, as opposed to having 3 pranks to be used at either day or night. This means being lynched in the day gives the Jester the win ALL the time, and the Jester being lynched in the day will result in the Town not being able to vote the next day. This at least gives motivation for the Jester to try and get lynched, and if the Town suspects that they're the Jester in the day (and as a result don't lynch them), the Jester can also win the game if the Jailor/Vigilante try to kill them at night.
KatiyaKramer wrote:Villagerlover wrote:
Having a poll that only says "Yes" is bias against people who don't want this to happen. (And no, it's not a petition. It's a poll trap)
It is a trap. I voted on this the other day, and I thought the lower option was going to be "no." Only now do I realize it was another yes. How dumb I feel right now.![]()
Jester is awesome the way it is now, and it should not be changed. It's one of my favorite roles in the game.
/nosupport from me on this.
Kirize12 wrote:KatiyaKramer wrote:Villagerlover wrote:
Having a poll that only says "Yes" is bias against people who don't want this to happen. (And no, it's not a petition. It's a poll trap)
It is a trap. I voted on this the other day, and I thought the lower option was going to be "no." Only now do I realize it was another yes. How dumb I feel right now.![]()
Jester is awesome the way it is now, and it should not be changed. It's one of my favorite roles in the game.
/nosupport from me on this.
That is on you for not reading the options.
Parallax7 wrote:With the role's addition into the Testing Grounds, and the request for information regarding Coven, I updated the role and brought some much needed changes. There are several edits to the thread, role, and even the roll poll. Which I changed because of popular demand. Please vote again!
Arsonist Will instant ignite upon dousing the Jester, and be unable to douse or ignite the following night.
Parallax7 wrote:For the same reason Bodyguard fights off Arsonist when it douses it’s target.
KatiyaKramer wrote:I agree with Villagerlover. This could do quite well as it's own role, but PLEASE leave the current Jester as it is. It's one of my favorite roles in the whole game, and I know it's the favorite of others as well.
Joacgroso wrote:And why does everyone want jesters to spawn in ranked?
Because they "make the town scared of lynching"? First of all, I totally agree with HTE. Town should not be scared of lynching obvious scum. Scum should not be rewarded for being obvious. If town finds someone who is obviously scum, they should have all the right to lynch him.
And secondly, we already have executioners for scaring town from lynching. In fact, changing jesters to NB would increase the odds of executioners spawning, so town would be really scared of lynching, especially in games where no one claims witched.
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