GFM: Master Thread [City of Salem] Game over: TOWN WINS!

[Loominaty]

@Stella: We don't have an investigative result on her, but many pieces of evidence suggest heavily that Linear is mafia, more specific Framer.
I can see where your suspicions about K1ll as mafia are coming from, infact I also grew suspicion about how she acted because of LoF.

Loom what do you think of the info in the whisper I sent you?

This supports that K1ll is not mafia.
Therefor he is a likely Bomber.

But to answer your question stella: Yes there is evidence that suggests that K1ll is Bomber over mafia.

[Arckas]

About 8 hours until we need to come to a conclusion.

[jacobm1122]

@Stella: We don't have an investigative result on her, but many pieces of evidence suggest heavily that Linear is mafia, more specific Framer.
I can see where your suspicions about K1ll as mafia are coming from, infact I also grew suspicion about how she acted because of LoF.

Loom what do you think of the info in the whisper I sent you?

This supports that K1ll is not mafia.
Therefor he is a likely Bomber.

But to answer your question stella: Yes there is evidence that suggests that K1ll is Bomber over mafia.

Then why don't you freaking give us the evidence because see no way that kill isn't a protective

[Loominaty]

Linear is mafia.
Lynch K1ll or a citizenclaimer, watchme or Arckas.

That's my opinion.

[Loominaty]

@Stella: We don't have an investigative result on her, but many pieces of evidence suggest heavily that Linear is mafia, more specific Framer.
I can see where your suspicions about K1ll as mafia are coming from, infact I also grew suspicion about how she acted because of LoF.

Loom what do you think of the info in the whisper I sent you?

This supports that K1ll is not mafia.
Therefor he is a likely Bomber.

But to answer your question stella: Yes there is evidence that suggests that K1ll is Bomber over mafia.

Then why don't you freaking give us the evidence because see no way that kill isn't a protective

This is a lynch based on suspicions..
I explained the situation of claims and spots and K1ll is likely the lying one out of the protective claimes.
Or do you want the evidence why Linear is mafia?

Actually I'll just say it now since noone here will believe me otherwise:

We have a Spy who saw Arckas getting visited twice:
Now what happend:
Linear framed Arckas as she knew Night would target him and to back up what she told me day four.
The disguiser masked Linear as a Jester/Exe/Disguiser and therefor copied her visits. That's why he was visited twice.
Check this quote: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=20359&start=1350#p661384
Now unless K1ll and Linear are pulling of an extremly elaborated act, (which I don't know what would accomplish), I don't see them beeing mafia together, BUT I CAN'T RULE IT OUT COMPLETLY.

Note how K1ll first claimed Linear appeared framed for whatever reason.

[stellaluna]

..okay then, I'll assume you're suspicious of them for a reason, for now.

Lynch K1ll or a citizenclaimer, watchme or Arckas.

Is gossie off the hook then? If any citizen claimer is suspicious right now it's them.

[jacobm1122]

Loom, there are three protective slots confirmed alive, one is bumble. K1ll and Brit are uncounterclaimed. Do you mind saying what birdy told you?

[stellaluna]

We have a Spy who saw Arckas getting visited twice:
Now what happend:
Linear framed Arckas as she knew Night would target him and to back up what she told me day four.
The disguiser masked Linear as a Jester/Exe/Disguiser and therefor copied her visits. That's why he was visited twice.
Check this quote: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=20359&start=1350#p661384
Now unless K1ll and Linear are pulling of an extremly elaborated act, (which I don't know what would accomplish), I don't see them beeing mafia together, BUT I CAN'T RULE IT OUT COMPLETLY.

Note how K1ll first claimed Linear appeared framed for whatever reason.

The reason k1ll claimed linear appeared framed is because out of the four likely investigation results, that was the easiest result to bs. The fact that linear went along with that in spite of it being false is one of the many reasons why I'm pretty certain at this point that he isn't mafia.
That aside I don't see this as particularly conclusive evidence. The fact that arckas was framed could easily be a lucky guess on the mafia's part. As far as the disguiser is concerned they could've targeted a sheriff last night (or anyone else who could have visited arckas, since he was such a popular target apparently). I see the logic but it hardly stands against everything that suggests linear is not mafia.

[Animate]

This had me confused for a bit, but shouldn't there only be 4 protectives and should there be 4 support in the master rolelist? Since each district is guaranteed one of each, and there's one of each in pool 1.. Random Town accounts for the actual role list, but it'd be nice to know for sure how many of each are guaranteed.

[Loominaty]

Loom, there are three protective slots confirmed alive, one is bumble. K1ll and Brit are uncounterclaimed. Do you mind saying what birdy told you?

I'd guess you are fine with revealing that birdy, as it might help to get him lynched:
Linear whispered birdy that K1ll is likely the Bomber, since "they never framed her" or something. She said that cause K1ll still claimed Inves back then and couldn't have gotten a Framerresult. Unless Linear pulled off an act, she is not mafia with K1ll.

And please I can't disclose every information, but there are more hidden counterclaimers..
Just go off by the districts rolelist I posted earlier.

@Animate: Yes that looks like a mistake.

[Loominaty]

We have a Spy who saw Arckas getting visited twice:
Now what happend:
Linear framed Arckas as she knew Night would target him and to back up what she told me day four.
The disguiser masked Linear as a Jester/Exe/Disguiser and therefor copied her visits. That's why he was visited twice.
Check this quote: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=20359&start=1350#p661384
Now unless K1ll and Linear are pulling of an extremly elaborated act, (which I don't know what would accomplish), I don't see them beeing mafia together, BUT I CAN'T RULE IT OUT COMPLETLY.

Note how K1ll first claimed Linear appeared framed for whatever reason.

The reason k1ll claimed linear appeared framed is because out of the four likely investigation results, that was the easiest result to bs. The fact that linear went along with that in spite of it being false is one of the many reasons why I'm pretty certain at this point that he isn't mafia.
That aside I don't see this as particularly conclusive evidence. The fact that arckas was framed could easily be a lucky guess on the mafia's part. As far as the disguiser is concerned they could've targeted a sheriff last night (or anyone else who could have visited arckas, since he was such a popular target apparently). I see the logic but it hardly stands against everything that suggests linear is not mafia.

Sorry but I don't agree that both the Diguiser and Framer end up randomly targetting those people, is more likely than what I explained.
Linear went along with it cause she realized that K1ll is not an Investigator. Why would she call him out on that when mafia wants to lynch the Bomber tomorrow not today?

[jacobm1122]

/unvote
/vote k1ll

Makes sense actually.

[stellaluna]

Sorry but I don't agree that both the Diguiser and Framer end up randomly targetting those people, is more likely than what I explained.
Linear went along with it cause she realized that K1ll is not an Investigator. Why would she call him out on that when mafia wants to lynch the Bomber tomorrow not today?

Well the easiest way to keep up the investigator charade that she apparently had going since around day 2-3 is to claim that hip had a framer result.
I guess that birdy whisper makes it more likely for hip to be mafia though.

[Loominaty]

Sorry but I don't agree that both the Diguiser and Framer end up randomly targetting those people, is more likely than what I explained.
Linear went along with it cause she realized that K1ll is not an Investigator. Why would she call him out on that when mafia wants to lynch the Bomber tomorrow not today?

Well the easiest way to keep up the investigator charade that she apparently had going since around day 2-3 is to claim that hip had a framer result.
I guess that birdy whisper makes it more likely for hip to be mafia though.

Just to make sure we are talking about the same stuff:

Linear whispered me day 4 that she is Inves.
K1ll whispered me day 2 that she is K1ll I nearly wrote that
K1ll whispered me day 2 that he is BG, then decided to fakeclaim Inves here for whatever reason.

[Animate]

Since apparently we're doing a massive info-dump right now, I'll jump in and say this: Aeolian whispered Rock (D6) wanting K1ll or stella dead. Aeolian knew there's a spy in the game, but still, I doubt the whisper was solely constructed as a bluff. I don't think Aeolian would suggest that Rock stalk a fellow mafia member, whether or not Rock listened.

[stellaluna]

Just to make sure we are talking about the same stuff:

Linear whispered me day 4 that she is Inves.
K1ll whispered me day 2 that she is K1ll I nearly wrote that
K1ll whispered me day 2 that he is BG, then decided to fakeclaim Inves here for whatever reason.

Oh I was referring to the invest softclaims that I saw from k1ll all over the first couple days of our district. Obviously I don't trust her being bodyguard.

Since apparently we're doing a massive info-dump right now, I'll jump in and say this: Aeolian whispered Rock (D6) wanting K1ll or stella dead. Aeolian knew there's a spy in the game, but still, I doubt the whisper was solely constructed as a bluff. I don't think Aeolian would suggest that Rock stalk a fellow mafia member, whether or not Rock listened.

..
didn't you say you were roleblocked last night or something?
I'll admit that lowers the chances of k1ll being mafia though.

[ObiWan]

Current Vote Count:

Linearpoint (7): iEsdeath, arcthurus, tfiosforevah, Gobln, milte345, Rockfire, britmadness
Gossie (2): Arckas, Gossie
K1llthestory (3): Loominaty, birdyluv0, jacobm1122

25 players alive, 13 votes needed for majority

[Animate]

I wish there was a way to delegate my vote to someone else . But I'm thinking my vote should be on K1ll, since there should be enough people available to switch and lynch Linear without me if it comes to that.

@Obi, can you confirm if the master rolelist should have 4 guaranteed protectives and 4 support instead of 5 and 3 respectively?

[ObiWan]

I'm about ready to start my shift. I will check after - or Iggy can when he gets on

[stellaluna]

Hey obi do spies still get mafia visit results when they're roleblocked?
just wondering

[Animate]

Hey obi do spies still get mafia visit results when they're roleblocked?
just wondering

I'm pretty sure the answer to this is no.

[stellaluna]

ohigetit
never mind then

[BirdyThePhoenix]

About the whisper I sent.
Linear claimed that they had never framed, and as a result K1ll could not have gotten a framed result or something. She believes that k1ll is the bomber because of that.

And if k1ll isn't the bomber, then linear is most likely the bomber herself.

[Arckas]

/unvote
/vote K1ll

[Arcthurus]

I guess it's set then?
/unvote
/vote K1ll