CrimsonKatana wrote:I don't think there's a problem with medium
Ranked is not the only mode that exists or mattersOreCreeper wrote:Well townies don't really leave in ranked anyways.MysticMismagius wrote:Perhaps the "gain information from the dead" ability could be used along with Medium's current ability, with people who have left the game
That way we can keep the Medium's current abilities, but if people leave there is a backup plan to get that information
HAWAIIANpikachu wrote:Medium also can instantly CC/Confirm any other medium claims provided there's people in the dead chat. In ranked gamemodes usually there is but in more casual modes (All any/custom in my experience) medium is weaker as people tend to leave when they die... so maybe a way to gain information from people that left could work without making it that much different or stronger?
Brilliand wrote:HAWAIIANpikachu wrote:Medium also can instantly CC/Confirm any other medium claims provided there's people in the dead chat. In ranked gamemodes usually there is but in more casual modes (All any/custom in my experience) medium is weaker as people tend to leave when they die... so maybe a way to gain information from people that left could work without making it that much different or stronger?
Can you comment on the rework idea that Achilles described in the OP, and the adjustments to it that I proposed?
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BigSlug wrote:-Any players you have seanced, you can talk to in the dead chat any subsequent night if they are still in the game. This is to help keep some player interaction beyond the grave and have them help town figure out things that living players might have overlooked.
BigSlug wrote:-Communing with an evil player works different. Their soul will resist and you will only gain information from the night they died. Certain roles also have unique interactions. Disguisers if they have a Disguise will yield no information. Neutral/Evil Roles that transform will have their previous role revealed to you even if that transformation wasn't on that night specifically. Such as if the second Mafioso died you would learn they were a Consort before their promotion. You will learn if the soul you examined was an Amnesiac. Or what a Vampire was before it turned.
BigSlug wrote:Evils and neutrals will still be able to talk with you after the seance however, seeing as they might as well. Deathchat gets lonely, might as well banter with the SK if theres no other souls to seance that night.
The reason to change Medium is because its ability is highly dependent on cooperation from other people (who have incentive to not cooperate, no less). As much as people mock it, that problem is real and makes Medium a swingy role in practice based on things completely outside the Medium's control. If people start leaving when they die, the Medium is useless as shit. If they actively discuss the game and help out, the Medium is a strong role.SwampRabbit wrote:I am REALLY confused on this thread. What is the reason for changing medium at all? It is a useful but far from overpowering role. It seems that you want to remove the mediums ability to talk to dead players because in All Any dead people leave???
If you want to add it as an option that a medium can choose DURING THE DAY to EITHER talk with dead OR seance one dead, I would not object to that. But changing it to seance one dead just because dead leave in ONE game mode--the one game mode where balance does NOT matter anyway--i have to say that seems absurd.
Same for removing medium's ability to seance a living player or talk to the dead.
Medium is probably the MOST BALANCED role as is. I see no reason to change it at all. A better way to deal with the leavers--is to deal with the leavers and allow them to be suspended or banned for leaving.
SwampRabbit wrote:What is the reason for changing medium at all?
SwampRabbit wrote:All Any ... the one game mode where balance does NOT matter anyway
MysticMismagius wrote:Ranked is not the only mode that exists or mattersOreCreeper wrote:Well townies don't really leave in ranked anyways.MysticMismagius wrote:Perhaps the "gain information from the dead" ability could be used along with Medium's current ability, with people who have left the game
That way we can keep the Medium's current abilities, but if people leave there is a backup plan to get that information
Your statement is meaningless
OreCreeper wrote:MysticMismagius wrote:Ranked is not the only mode that exists or mattersOreCreeper wrote:Well townies don't really leave in ranked anyways.MysticMismagius wrote:Perhaps the "gain information from the dead" ability could be used along with Medium's current ability, with people who have left the game
That way we can keep the Medium's current abilities, but if people leave there is a backup plan to get that information
Your statement is meaningless
All balance changes should be centered around Ranked.
Also doesn't this change just make medium a discount retributionist? lol
Edit: also idk if I'm missing something but doesn't the "seeing visitors" mechanic immediately out the killer?
Leaving a balance problem to sit there unsolved because it's less prevalent in Ranked is not a good ideaOreCreeper wrote:All balance changes should be centered around Ranked.MysticMismagius wrote:Ranked is not the only mode that exists or mattersOreCreeper wrote:Well townies don't really leave in ranked anyways.MysticMismagius wrote:Perhaps the "gain information from the dead" ability could be used along with Medium's current ability, with people who have left the game
That way we can keep the Medium's current abilities, but if people leave there is a backup plan to get that information
Your statement is meaningless
Also doesn't this change just make medium a discount retributionist? lol
Edit: also idk if I'm missing something but doesn't the "seeing visitors" mechanic immediately out the killer?
BlueSkyGirl wrote:I think medium is just right as it is and I really hope you will reconsider. In particular, the medium's ability to talk to the graveyard is what it makes so unique and interesting to play so please do not take that away. A medium keeps the game more interesting for all those who die early and encourages them to pay attention and stay invested in the game since they can speak through a medium. You can still participate and possibly impact the game's outcome. And yet, this ability also opens up for fake medium claims to mess with the town. I really do agree with the others posting here that medium is just about a perfectly balanced role. Please no medium changes!
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