cob709 wrote:Not sure how the Lovers chat going to work with Mafia/Coven roles
Soulshade55r wrote:wicked lovers idea; Better role list
TheFluffyWaffleV2 wrote:Soulshade55r wrote:wicked lovers idea; Better role list
Don’t make half the list town. Literally can’t win as a single evil.
James2 wrote:Lovers don't always have identical wincons, so they shouldn't automatically share information.
Brilliand wrote:I think most players honestly tell their lover their role D1, as it's very rare for that to turn out poorly.
James is right that there are some edge cases where it could turn out poorly (i.e. in a Town+Pestilence situation the townie would be motivated to warn the rest of the town about their lover), but I think some other things would have to change as well for automatically seeing your lover's role from the start to actually be a problem.
Brilliand wrote:I think most players honestly tell their lover their role D1, as it's very rare for that to turn out poorly.
James is right that there are some edge cases where it could turn out poorly (i.e. in a Town+Pestilence situation the townie would be motivated to warn the rest of the town about their lover), but I think some other things would have to change as well for automatically seeing your lover's role from the start to actually be a problem.
Brilliand wrote:Giving the Lovers a night chat is probably sufficient anyway. I don't see the automatic sharing of information adding much to the game, if the players have all night to tell each other their roles anyway (and there are only two of them, so it won't be much clutter).
Ezradekezra wrote:TheFluffyWaffleV2 wrote:Soulshade55r wrote:wicked lovers idea; Better role list
Don’t make half the list town. Literally can’t win as a single evil.
I'm thinking Arso may need to be removed from the list after the upcoming NK buffs, since it's already not too uncommon for half of the town to die in a single night. Maybe it should be replaced with Jugg? Having Jugg in the list might be a bad idea, though, since people might start throwing left and right to get the Jugg vs. Pest achievement.
TheFluffyWaffleV2 wrote:Soulshade55r wrote:wicked lovers idea; Better role list
Don’t make half the list town. Literally can’t win as a single evil.
kyuss420 wrote:until youre SK, with an afk townie as your lover, so you start killing anyway.
or youre SK with an afk evil lover, so you dont kill anyone for 3 nights.
Brilliand wrote:kyuss420 wrote:until youre SK, with an afk townie as your lover, so you start killing anyway.
or youre SK with an afk evil lover, so you dont kill anyone for 3 nights.
Balancing for AFKers strikes me as a lost cause.
James2 wrote:Throwers (which AFKs are a subset of) often cause auto-losses. The game shouldn't be balanced around them.
Brilliand wrote:kyuss420 wrote:until youre SK, with an afk townie as your lover, so you start killing anyway.
or youre SK with an afk evil lover, so you dont kill anyone for 3 nights.
Balancing for AFKers strikes me as a lost cause.
kyuss420 wrote:Yet you support a medium change, because people leave?
kyuss420 wrote:James2 wrote:Throwers (which AFKs are a subset of) often cause auto-losses. The game shouldn't be balanced around them.
How is it balancing anything? Its giving information you should already have.
James2 wrote:kyuss420 wrote:James2 wrote:Throwers (which AFKs are a subset of) often cause auto-losses. The game shouldn't be balanced around them.
How is it balancing anything? Its giving information you should already have.
There are legitimate lovers strategies that involve lying to or withholding information from your lover. So the role of a lover is not necessarily information you should already have.
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