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Changing the Town Colour

Postby JacksonVirgo » Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:21 pm

I know that this would almost never happen as it's mostly a cosmetic change because you can still read the name but overall a blue colour for Town and red for Mafia would generally make it easily distinguishable in comparison as in nearly all colour blindness types Blue and Red are so distinct against each other it'd be easy to read at a glance.

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Re: Changing the Town Colour

Postby Varanus » Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:15 am

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Seems like it would be an easy QoL change, I'll go bring it to the council to see if this is something we can quickly do
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Re: Changing the Town Colour

Postby watchme1 » Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:28 am

Meanwhile on KH:FM

Hurr Durr Town is Red hehe

In all seriousness it's a fair enough change.

(So what happens when SK rolls?)
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Re: Changing the Town Colour

Postby JacksonVirgo » Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:31 am

watchme1 wrote:Meanwhile on KH:FM

Hurr Durr Town is Red hehe

In all seriousness it's a fair enough change.

(So what happens when SK rolls?)

MafiaScum uses the Magenta colour for Serial Killers is that may be an alright colour to use but that would probably need to be discussed as well as that’s much different than what ToS uses which the current colours normally are here

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Re: Changing the Town Colour

Postby dota2reporter » Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:55 am

sure but like, what caused you to think about it
i don't know any colorblind fmers
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Re: Changing the Town Colour

Postby JacksonVirgo » Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:15 am

dota2reporter wrote:sure but like, what caused you to think about it
i don't know any colorblind fmers

I don’t think I need to name colourblind fmers I think it’s a simple change to make it overall better.

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Re: Changing the Town Colour

Postby dota2reporter » Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:16 am

JacksonVirgo wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:sure but like, what caused you to think about it
i don't know any colorblind fmers

I don’t think I need to name colourblind fmers I think it’s a simple change to make it overall better.

no i'm just wondering how you got the idea in the first place
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Re: Changing the Town Colour

Postby JacksonVirgo » Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:17 am

JacksonVirgo wrote:
watchme1 wrote:Meanwhile on KH:FM

Hurr Durr Town is Red hehe

In all seriousness it's a fair enough change.

(So what happens when SK rolls?)

MafiaScum uses the Magenta colour for Serial Killers is that may be an alright colour to use but that would probably need to be discussed as well as that’s much different than what ToS uses which the current colours normally are here

Though Magenta is harder to differentiate between certain colours depending on the type of colour blindness but yeah

EDIT
I think yellow is also a good colour.

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Re: Changing the Town Colour

Postby ICECLIMBERS » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:36 am

The color town would use would be better lighter
But it’s usually obvious what alignment is by the name, or if a win condition is posted. If uncertain somebody could check the bbcode.
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Re: Changing the Town Colour

Postby JacksonVirgo » Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:42 am

"You can just read the role names"
This is true, but will not work in scenarios where you need to look at a glance OR when in an SFM where flavour names are revealed instead such as the example of my recent FM game.
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Seriously tell me if you can tell which ones are the mafia (red) compared to the town (green) without knowing the flavour, there are 4 there. Sure you can see some difference, but if you just glance at it you'd have no idea, especially if some cases are stronger or weaker than others.

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That image is using #4080FF as Iceclimber has suggested and it's must more visible on the more common colour blindness as well as the others which I haven't shown.

Also, when the thread is locked you can't check the bbcode.

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Re: Changing the Town Colour

Postby JacksonVirgo » Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:56 am

Image

These are the default font colours in this forum with all the different colour blind filters on top.
On all of them, the blue and the red are the most distinct, whereas yellow is the third accross all three.

Magenta as I suggested before is a bit distinct from a #0000FF blue but not from a lighter blue which was suggested.

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Re: Changing the Town Colour

Postby ZoruaLuhansk » Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:16 am

(besides the topic but I think you can check the bbcode on a locked thread by using the 'PM' button)
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Re: Changing the Town Colour

Postby Chemist1422 » Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:22 am

In-text alignments should probably become a new standard regardless

The only real potential issue I see for this is people coming from the ToS game and getting confused but it doesn't seem like a huge deal

not an official mod post, just my stances on it
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Re: Changing the Town Colour

Postby itsmedash2 » Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:22 pm

Mods can use this to fakeclaim town :^)

seriously though this sounds like a good change
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Re: Changing the Town Colour

Postby ICECLIMBERS » Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:27 pm

I think themed games should have the alignment in the graveyard. A change like this would only impact standards and vanilla games though, since if you're running an SFM you can use whatever color you want.

Personally I prefer green, but that's me.
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Re: Changing the Town Colour

Postby UzayAltay » Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:31 pm

Wouldnt replacing red with purple Also Do The trick?
(4th color from right in OP)
Suggesting This mainly Because I'd prefer Green -purple Over blue-red.
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Re: Changing the Town Colour

Postby itsmedash2 » Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:35 pm

UzayAltay wrote:Wouldnt replacing red with purple Also Do The trick?
(4th color from right in OP)
Suggesting This mainly Because I'd prefer Green -purple Over blue-red.

what about Witch role then
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Re: Changing the Town Colour

Postby SparkingJay » Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:40 pm

I have little knowledge of colour-blindness and whether making Town blue will cause clashes with other role colours. But for VFMs and the such, this is a good idea.

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Re: Changing the Town Colour

Postby UzayAltay » Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:48 pm

itsmedash2 wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:Wouldnt replacing red with purple Also Do The trick?
(4th color from right in OP)
Suggesting This mainly Because I'd prefer Green -purple Over blue-red.

what about Witch role then

Well there's no image of violet in OP but If they are Also differentable it can Do The trick for Witch.
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Re: Changing the Town Colour

Postby Royee » Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:59 pm

Blue is better than Green

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Re: Changing the Town Colour

Postby TrueGent » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:56 pm

this seems like a lot of discussion for something that is 1) not a big deal in the grand scheme of things and 2) as far as im aware affects 0 people actively playing
people have been using different bbcodes for this shit since the dawn of time use literally whatever you want

with that being said this is probably fine just change SK to a light blue or something it really doesnt matter shit role quit forever


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Re: Changing the Town Colour

Postby JacksonVirgo » Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:35 pm

ZoruaLuhansk wrote:(besides the topic but I think you can check the bbcode on a locked thread by using the 'PM' button)

Holy shit I have been so blind

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Spoiler: Latest Town Game: XX7 - Tracker/Detective/Sheriff/Lookout - Win
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Re: Changing the Town Colour

Postby JacksonVirgo » Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:12 pm

UzayAltay wrote:Wouldnt replacing red with purple Also Do The trick?
(4th color from right in OP)
Suggesting This mainly Because I'd prefer Green -purple Over blue-red.

That could work, I may test it out in a practical sense soon.

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Re: Changing the Town Colour

Postby James2 » Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:12 pm

If colorblind people can figure out traffic signals I'm sure they can figure out alignments in mafia.

Far as I know this has never been a real issue on any of the mafia sites that use the standard red-green color scheme. Communities should not change their traditions merely because someone somewhere might hypothetically have a problem with them.
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Re: Changing the Town Colour

Postby JacksonVirgo » Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:26 pm

James2 wrote:If colorblind people can figure out traffic signals I'm sure they can figure out alignments in mafia.

Far as I know this has never been a real issue on any of the mafia sites that use the standard red-green color scheme. Communities should not change their traditions merely because someone somewhere might hypothetically have a problem with them.

Considering all traffic lights are Go for the top and Stop for the bottom (well in australia anyway), I am sure that colourblind people go off that and not the colours so that is not comparable here.

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