JAF1970 wrote:I get why you changed the role -- people quit. So that hampers Medium and Ret.
JAF1970 wrote:But guess what? You gave less incentive for people to stay.
JAF1970 wrote:Trying to make roles that are made to communicate with the dead less useful by not needing the dead is an oxymoron. Either dump the roles or punish quitters.
JAF1970 wrote:Developers.
Tried out the new Retributionist ability. It's pretty bad. Can't Mayor. Can't Trapper. Am limited to roles that may or may not be useful.
At least it is better now that the TI you can use actually give resultskyuss420 wrote:Welcome to Necromancer when the entire graveyard is stoned and cleaned for the first 3 nights.JAF1970 wrote:Developers.
Tried out the new Retributionist ability. It's pretty bad. Can't Mayor. Can't Trapper. Am limited to roles that may or may not be useful.
MysticMismagius wrote:At least it is better now that the TI you can use actually give resultskyuss420 wrote:Welcome to Necromancer when the entire graveyard is stoned and cleaned for the first 3 nights.JAF1970 wrote:Developers.
Tried out the new Retributionist ability. It's pretty bad. Can't Mayor. Can't Trapper. Am limited to roles that may or may not be useful.
Was really annoying back in the day when you could theoretically use most TI but had almost no reason to ever do so
JAF1970 wrote:I'm sorry, but you have to do something people will hate -- follow my suggestion that quitting as Town when there's a Medium or Retributionist present, whether they know it or not, will cause a very long delay before playing again.
Booker T wrote:"Can you dig it? SUCKAAAAAA!!!!"
White Canary wrote:"Yeah? Well, even vigilantes have to pay their bills."
Citizen Steel wrote:"They beat him with the Care Bear Stare."
Moe Syzslak wrote:"They're heading for the old mill!""No we're not!""Let's head to the old mill anyway, get some cider.
JaguarJumps wrote:Ret didn't need a change.
JAF1970 wrote:The fact is, players are making me not want to play. Period.
There's a rule out there: if you don't protect the brand, someone will do it better and make you extinct.
There's too many hidden role/traitor games out there that could do it better.
The One Night series springs to mind. One round, it's over. Just a lot of arguing and accusations in a time limit.
JAF1970 wrote:Developers.
Tried out the new Retributionist ability. It's pretty bad. Can't Mayor. Can't Trapper. Am limited to roles that may or may not be useful.
It’s not bad, it's balancing this godforsaken game. Isn't that whatcha want? A fairer game?
I get why you changed the role -- people quit.
I had a dream that you read anything the devs post.
...Then I woke up.
So that hampers Medium and Ret.
But guess what? You gave less incentive for people to stay.
Actually, Ret was changed so that the game would be more balanced.
I'm sorry, but you have to do something people will hate -- follow my suggestion that quitting as Town when there's a Medium or Retributionist present, whether they know it or not, will cause a very long delay before playing again.
Guess what! In Ranked, ya lose elo. A lot of elo. In other modes, I'm pretty sure if you leave too much, you have to wait 5 minutes. And since everyone clearly has the attention span of a goldfish, they'll just log off, right?
Don't reward rage quitting. It sucks but that's Werewolf. Either remove both roles or enforce both roles so they're not useless. One or the other. You can't have your cake and eat it, too. This is from a pure game design viewpoint.
Stop comparing ToS to other games. There is a very loose Werewolf formula. Devs are allowed to tinker with the formula.
People WILL troll.
People WILL grief.
People WILL rage quit.
People WILL use anonymity to harass.
There's nothing you can do about it but address it. People will rage quit and play again quickly. Because they're impatient.
And, let's see... oh yes! The devs HAVE addressed this problem, and are working on it! How surprising, the devs are humans!
You know what World of Warcraft did for those long flights? They incorporated Bejeweled and Peggle that could be played while on those flights. There are tons of things you can do to keep people invested in the game.
Hey. Hey, bud. THIS ISN'T WORLD OF WARCRAFT.
Trying to make roles that are made to communicate with the dead less useful by not needing the dead is an oxymoron. Either dump the roles or punish quitters.
Ya clearly hate this game, so just dump it. I'm sure we'll enjoy your presence leaving.
OreoNyan wrote:I like the new ret... but why can’t it use trans? Something to do with it requiring three targets? It would be really cool and useful if ret could use trans...
Then again I didn’t mind the old ret either.
Ezradekezra wrote:These Reddit threads would beg to differ.
Booker T wrote:"Can you dig it? SUCKAAAAAA!!!!"
White Canary wrote:"Yeah? Well, even vigilantes have to pay their bills."
Citizen Steel wrote:"They beat him with the Care Bear Stare."
Moe Syzslak wrote:"They're heading for the old mill!""No we're not!""Let's head to the old mill anyway, get some cider.
JaguarJumps wrote:Ezradekezra wrote:These Reddit threads would beg to differ.
Just being on a Reddit thread does not make it the truth.
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