VFM70 | Manatees (pt. 2) | Game Over

[Crimson97]

As i said DADV is nullified by the fact there was a CFD on Wabbit. DADV can even be used as an argument by scum to cause a CFD so it doesn't always mean the top wagon is town.

[SparkingJay]

As i said DADV is nullified by the fact there was a CFD on Wabbit. DADV can even be used as an argument by scum to cause a CFD so it doesn't always mean the top wagon is town.

DADV is a reason why you would CFD.

[UzayAltay]

Sparking you're clearing poly cause of the dead atmosphere but the CFD on Wabbit nullifies that. I was the first vote on that wagon, you were the second one. My vote was not really serious but yours was so you kickstarted the whole thing. If poly is scum there's a big chance you are their buddy.

Ummm
What You say at The start kinda contradicts with The one at The end.

How?

If You think they are responsible for CFD
Than from their PoV Mafia didnt try to CFD
Which kinda destroy your First point

What? I'm assuming they're both scum here. Which would means Sparking would have saved his buddy then tried to clear them.

Bruh Than Why You are accusing of their read being completely wrong

It can be wrong because of two reasons. It's a bad read from town, or he's trying to push bad logic as scum.

The thing is If You think Sparking is town that make that "bad" read
And You think they are responsible for that CFD
Than that exactly means Mafia didnt CFD away from Poly
Which validize The read

[Crimson97]

Sparking you're clearing poly cause of the dead atmosphere but the CFD on Wabbit nullifies that. I was the first vote on that wagon, you were the second one. My vote was not really serious but yours was so you kickstarted the whole thing. If poly is scum there's a big chance you are their buddy.

Ummm
What You say at The start kinda contradicts with The one at The end.

How?

If You think they are responsible for CFD
Than from their PoV Mafia didnt try to CFD
Which kinda destroy your First point

What? I'm assuming they're both scum here. Which would means Sparking would have saved his buddy then tried to clear them.

Bruh Than Why You are accusing of their read being completely wrong

It can be wrong because of two reasons. It's a bad read from town, or he's trying to push bad logic as scum.

The thing is If You think Sparking is town that make that "bad" read
And You think they are responsible for that CFD
Than that exactly means Mafia didnt CFD away from Poly
Which validize The read

Ok but when did i TR Sparking?

[Crimson97]

As i said DADV is nullified by the fact there was a CFD on Wabbit. DADV can even be used as an argument by scum to cause a CFD so it doesn't always mean the top wagon is town.

DADV is a reason why you would CFD.

You are not dumb, you know what i'm saying. If the top wagon is scum and they don't know how to cause a CFD, they can just go "Oh wow, it sure is quiet here. DADV."

[UzayAltay]

Sparking you're clearing poly cause of the dead atmosphere but the CFD on Wabbit nullifies that. I was the first vote on that wagon, you were the second one. My vote was not really serious but yours was so you kickstarted the whole thing. If poly is scum there's a big chance you are their buddy.

Ummm
What You say at The start kinda contradicts with The one at The end.

How?

If You think they are responsible for CFD
Than from their PoV Mafia didnt try to CFD
Which kinda destroy your First point

What? I'm assuming they're both scum here. Which would means Sparking would have saved his buddy then tried to clear them.

Bruh Than Why You are accusing of their read being completely wrong

It can be wrong because of two reasons. It's a bad read from town, or he's trying to push bad logic as scum.

The thing is If You think Sparking is town that make that "bad" read
And You think they are responsible for that CFD
Than that exactly means Mafia didnt CFD away from Poly
Which validize The read

Ok but when did i TR Sparking?

(bolded) is literally an assumption

[Crimson97]

It can be wrong because of two reasons. It's a bad read from town, or he's trying to push bad logic as scum.

The thing is If You think Sparking is town that make that "bad" read
And You think they are responsible for that CFD
Than that exactly means Mafia didnt CFD away from Poly
Which validize The read

Ok but when did i TR Sparking?

(bolded) is literally an assumption

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Uzay are you scum?

[UzayAltay]

/vote 3cheers

In my opinion, them flipping from Poly to Wabbit in The way they Did was Scummy.

Reason of Poly scumread: an actual scumread
Reason of flip: no pressure against Poly wagon

[SparkingJay]

As i said DADV is nullified by the fact there was a CFD on Wabbit. DADV can even be used as an argument by scum to cause a CFD so it doesn't always mean the top wagon is town.

DADV is a reason why you would CFD.

You are not dumb, you know what i'm saying. If the top wagon is scum and they don't know how to cause a CFD, they can just go "Oh wow, it sure is quiet here. DADV."

It's not like I pushed a CFD as soon as their wagon formed, quiet for several hours or more would mean scum do not care about Poly being wagoned. zzz

[UzayAltay]

Crimson
For second part You accuse Sparking with being responsible for CFD
For First part You assume they are town
Now I am criticizing your First part
In First part, You say it is A bad read Because CFD happened
You are Also saying Sparking made The CFD
Also when thinking it may be a bad read from V!sparking, You assume V!sparking
Than According to You, at First part , V!sparking Who CFDed from Poly to Wabbit is making A bad read about Poly being town Because CFD happened
Can You see The problem there?

[Crimson97]

As i said DADV is nullified by the fact there was a CFD on Wabbit. DADV can even be used as an argument by scum to cause a CFD so it doesn't always mean the top wagon is town.

DADV is a reason why you would CFD.

You are not dumb, you know what i'm saying. If the top wagon is scum and they don't know how to cause a CFD, they can just go "Oh wow, it sure is quiet here. DADV."

It's not like I pushed a CFD as soon as their wagon formed, quiet for several hours or more would mean scum do not care about Poly being wagoned. zzz

I wouldn't expect scum to care inmediately, poly was top wagon like a day before EoD, it could still change. But as EoD gets closer and they're still top wagon, scum would care if their scumbuddy is gonna be lynched.

[Crimson97]

Crimson
For second part You accuse Sparking with being responsible for CFD
For First part You assume they are town
Now I am criticizing your First part
In First part, You say it is A bad read Because CFD happened
You are Also saying Sparking made The CFD
Also when thinking it may be a bad read from V!sparking, You assume V!sparking
Than According to You, at First part , V!sparking Who CFDed from Poly to Wabbit is making A bad read about Poly being town Because CFD happened
Can You see The problem there?

Did you not read the huge letters in my post above? I never assumed bad read = v!Sparking.

[UzayAltay]

Crimson
For second part You accuse Sparking with being responsible for CFD
For First part You assume they are town
Now I am criticizing your First part
In First part, You say it is A bad read Because CFD happened
You are Also saying Sparking made The CFD
Also when thinking it may be a bad read from V!sparking, You assume V!sparking
Than According to You, at First part , V!sparking Who CFDed from Poly to Wabbit is making A bad read about Poly being town Because CFD happened
Can You see The problem there?

Did you not read the huge letters in my post above? I never assumed bad read = v!Sparking.

You assumed V!sparking --> bad read

[Crimson97]

Crimson
For second part You accuse Sparking with being responsible for CFD
For First part You assume they are town
Now I am criticizing your First part
In First part, You say it is A bad read Because CFD happened
You are Also saying Sparking made The CFD
Also when thinking it may be a bad read from V!sparking, You assume V!sparking
Than According to You, at First part , V!sparking Who CFDed from Poly to Wabbit is making A bad read about Poly being town Because CFD happened
Can You see The problem there?

Did you not read the huge letters in my post above? I never assumed bad read = v!Sparking.

You assumed V!sparking --> bad read

You're just making stuff up now.

[UzayAltay]

Crimson
For second part You accuse Sparking with being responsible for CFD
For First part You assume they are town
Now I am criticizing your First part
In First part, You say it is A bad read Because CFD happened
You are Also saying Sparking made The CFD
Also when thinking it may be a bad read from V!sparking, You assume V!sparking
Than According to You, at First part , V!sparking Who CFDed from Poly to Wabbit is making A bad read about Poly being town Because CFD happened
Can You see The problem there?

Did you not read the huge letters in my post above? I never assumed bad read = v!Sparking.

You assumed V!sparking --> bad read

You're just making stuff up now.

Bruh what
Didnt You said If Sparking is town (assumption ) that read is bad?

[Crimson97]

Uzay

It can be wrong because of two reasons. It's a bad read from town, or he's trying to push bad logic as scum.

The thing is If You think Sparking is town that make that "bad" read
And You think they are responsible for that CFD
Than that exactly means Mafia didnt CFD away from Poly
Which validize The read

Ok but when did i TR Sparking?

(bolded) is literally an assumption

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Uzay are you scum?

[UzayAltay]

Crimson
I am saying If they are town Like You assumed in The First part of sentence
That Dont mean read is bad
You are keep saying "but I Said or they are scum"
So What? Are You accusing them with them being scum and that read being bad? No, they are different, and they are in The different parts of argument.

[3cheersforidiots]

behold my fresh and crispy spoilers

Spoiler:

Hold on, this is not right at all

Are we just gonna ignore the fact that Wabbit flipped town and immediately start hypoclaiming?
He strongly disagreed to it, are we not going to talk about how his death feels too convenient for you and your plans, or about how much of a threat he could have been to the mafia while we're at it?

and imo, Sparking doesn't feel too bothered about it
3cheers' sudden vote also seemed too unexpected to me, didn't bring that up during the end of D1 because during then I thought maybe she was just convinced about Wabbit being the right vote but after reading the entire thread again it bugs me off
(assume I read the entire thread once in a day before beginning to post)

After seeing wabbit being mislynched I considered something like this to happen, and I'm bringing this up because it happened.

a) yes, I find it weird that Sparking went right on ahead with hypoing despite Wabbit saying we shouldn't (and as we now know, his intentions were town-motivated)
b) right. But you have to take into account that EoD is not a place where you have a lot of time to deliberate on decisions, and neither did I to look deeper into Wabbit. Sparking's post on him was convincing to me from my own POV: I know I'm town, so to me that post came off as an indication that Wabbit might have been buddying me, if that makes sense

hypoing nea

Lemon - Not cit.

Polypies73 - Not Cit.

Oh, I hope visiting roles know that they can't fake who they visited.

dota - Citizen

Oh we're hypoing.
Cob-Cit

Are all 4 of you claiming Neopolitan? That is impossible. The role list only has 1 Neopolitan

I will once again assume cob is town

Just because Wabbit disagreed with it means no one else can hypo? wut

Also didn't feel too bothered about what

well, no, we could hypo, but I'm not convinced we should?
like, what was the argument in favour of hypoing?

I don't feel good about hypoclaiming, but I feel like I'll just feel forced to do it anyway later on when I wake up because everyone else will have done it and they will force me to do it and I can't be the one who screws up the entire thing, just want to observe whether everyone in the game is happy with this or not

Also I don't get dota being the nightkill, wasn't he being scumread and "underproductive"?
(sorry dota, I would've asked you that now that wabbit died maybe you could be more involved, but I guess not)

@lemon @crimson were your votes meant to stay there?

actually, now that you mention it, dota kill is not necessarily a spew on Crimson

hypoing nea

Lemon - Not cit.

wtf is this hypo sparking. like i don't want to explain it in case wolves are inexperienced, but like bruh.

I think it's either sparking/lemon not w/w or an attempt to distance if both are scum

ah yes my favourite period of time when all the Americans are sleeping.

every sane European is also asleep at 8am

im bad at reading but i like myself

self-positivity is important!

hypoing nea

Lemon - Not cit.

wtf is this hypo sparking. like i don't want to explain it in case wolves are inexperienced, but like bruh.

Assuming I am real Nea.

bruh

I have more TRs than I expected and literally have a pool of:
[Hello / Lemon / Crimson / 3Cheers] lul

time to look over my tr's ig

that's....
weird
why is hello in there?

Sparking/poly scum team could actually be a thing.

yes, but it would be very obvious
also I doubt it's a thing after poly's vote on Sparking

/vote 3cheers

In my opinion, them flipping from Poly to Wabbit in The way they Did was Scummy.

Reason of Poly scumread: an actual scumread
Reason of flip: no pressure against Poly wagon

go read again

good thing is, Crimson/Uzay almost never w/w here, so I think I'll keep my vote on Crimson
lemon might also be a good vote for today imo

(this is like, unless Sparking/Uzay are making absolute fools out of the entire town)

[3cheersforidiots]

will analyse Crimson in more detail later, I still have irl stuff I need to take care of

[3cheersforidiots]

actually though, I kinda want to have Uzay see my flip so that I can tell him to fuck off with his metareads

[UzayAltay]

Like You say If they are town that read is bad. If they are scum they are scum anyway,/shrug.
What's The reason of Sparking's TR ? Mafia didnt CFD away. Mafia didnt Do anything.
What Do You say against that ? CFD happened.
You Also say Sparking made The CFD.
So, Let's Look First part of argument again. What You Said? If they are town that read is bad. Why? CFD happened. Who made The CFD? Sparking. What We assumed when saying that read was bad ? Sparking is town. So, does your argument of "CFD happened" nullify The argument of Sparking? No. Because You assume Sparking is town while saying their read is bad, So their argument of "Mafia Did Nothing " is not nullified.

[UzayAltay]

Is there any case on Poly?

their reads are sheepy and the rest of their posts are fluffy
I think they did recognise their posting as bad but didn't really make an attempt to improve on it

(An actual scumread)

my gut tells me that a polypies lynch is not a good idea.

mainly what i mean by this is that i think the progression today has not been in favor of polypies - i think they've remained a likely lynch candidate for almost all of day 1 and i dont think mafia would be ok with allowing that. i think they would make polypies change their behavior.

okay, you're correct in that there is not much resistance to the poly wagon, unlike there is to the Wabbit wagon
/vote Wabbit
see where this goes
also I'm not 100% here bc I'm playing Drawful with friends but I'll try to read the thread

(resistance vs no resistance)

[kosmo16]

I am locking Sparking as Town, development on Wabbit looks very realistic.

[kosmo16]

cob is likely scum pretending to not knowing how to play to have easier life

[Crimson97]

Crimson
I am saying If they are town Like You assumed in The First part of sentence
That Dont mean read is bad
You are keep saying "but I Said or they are scum"
So What? Are You accusing them with them being scum and that read being bad? No, they are different, and they are in The different parts of argument.

Ok first Uzay, the read is bad for the reasons i have stated.
Second, what was your initial point? You are only using this post which was a reply to yours to push your point.
Third, yes, reads can be bad even if you're scum.