GA change and a new direct counter role

[PikamanUltra]

Guardian Angel change: Your target is always a town member.
New role: Devil’s advocate: Exactly the same as guardian angel but it’s target is always maf, coven, NE or NK

[Brilliand]

So, to simplify this... you're proposing that the Guardian Angel be told at the start of D1 whether their target is town or not?

I don't see any benefit in this change. The Guardian Angel needing to figure out whether their target is town isn't too burdensome (usually they can just whisper anyway).

[PikamanUltra]

The idea is that the guardian angel's target is always town, to make way for the devil's advocate for the evil and neutral roles. GA is guarenteed to be town, not so that it saves them time checking their role, but so that DA has his evil roles.

The GA isnt told whether their target is town or not, if a GA gets a target, they are confirmed town. With my change it is impossible for GA to get any other faction to protect but town.

[Brilliand]

The idea is that the guardian angel's target is always town, to make way for the devil's advocate for the evil and neutral roles. GA is guarenteed to be town, not so that it saves them time checking their role, but so that DA has his evil roles.

The GA isnt told whether their target is town or not, if a GA gets a target, they are confirmed town. With my change it is impossible for GA to get any other faction to protect but town.

This is identical to what I described, except that you show the GA a different role name if he has a non-Town target, which makes no practical difference (except to notify him that he has a non-Town target, and to tell the Town that fact if he happens to die).

The DA is just a GA with different labeling, so you aren't really proposing something new here, just a different label for one of the roles some of the time.

[PikamanUltra]

The idea is that the guardian angel's target is always town, to make way for the devil's advocate for the evil and neutral roles. GA is guarenteed to be town, not so that it saves them time checking their role, but so that DA has his evil roles.

The GA isnt told whether their target is town or not, if a GA gets a target, they are confirmed town. With my change it is impossible for GA to get any other faction to protect but town.

This is identical to what I described, except that you show the GA a different role name if he has a non-Town target, which makes no practical difference (except to notify him that he has a non-Town target, and to tell the Town that fact if he happens to die).

The DA is just a GA with different labeling, so you aren't really proposing something new here, just a different label for one of the roles some of the time.

Yeah, pretty much, I think it needs new labeling if it's an evil role

[Blackwolfe99]

Guardian Angel change: Your target is always a town member.
New role: Devil’s advocate: Exactly the same as guardian angel but it’s target is always maf, coven, NE or NK

Except at that point, the GA can't be a neutral role since its wincon would only be fulfilled by the town.

[mikimomo]

I think Ga should have Town and NB as a target for sure if this change ever got implemented. I also think GA should have Invincible Defence, as its AN ANGEL. How do you kill a celestial being?

[Brilliand]

I think Ga should have Town and NB as a target for sure if this change ever got implemented. I also think GA should have Invincible Defence, as its AN ANGEL. How do you kill a celestial being?

Game balance though.

Also, thematically a celestial being shouldn't even be one of the 15 people in the town; it should be in the sky somewhere where no one can visit it or vote it up.

[Blackwolfe99]

I think Ga should have Town and NB as a target for sure if this change ever got implemented. I also think GA should have Invincible Defence, as its AN ANGEL. How do you kill a celestial being?

Game balance though.

Also, thematically a celestial being shouldn't even be one of the 15 people in the town; it should be in the sky somewhere where no one can visit it or vote it up.

Again, game balance. Theme is second to mechanics.

[Brilliand]

Again, game balance. Theme is second to mechanics.

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I can't tell whether you're agreeing or disagreeing with me.