Yemac wrote:/nosupport.
It's just a game. I think there are more pressing issues with the game itself and the community the devs have to focus on, than to put in a lot of work for a small minority that either bought something with the wrong pronoun, or don't enjoy the game as much because of said pronouns. (+ this is a political issue, not something a casual game should need to focus on)
woahah wrote:i get its a minor change that the devs would inevitably take ages on because, well, devs, but it would make some people feel much more welcome in the game.
woahah wrote:Also this is a feature that most games with pronouns in use have so
ShylokVakarian wrote:/support
As a member of the LGBTQIAOMGWTFBBQ+, I really like when gender is a thing you can choose, even if it's just He/She. He/She/They is ideal, but I'd still consider it an improvement if we can choose gender separate from skin at all.
Brilliand wrote:ShylokVakarian wrote:/support
As a member of the LGBTQIAOMGWTFBBQ+, I really like when gender is a thing you can choose, even if it's just He/She. He/She/They is ideal, but I'd still consider it an improvement if we can choose gender separate from skin at all.
I'd consider it weird and confusing if I saw people using the default "male" or "female" skin with the opposite pronoun.
If you have an unusual gender identity, you could at least change your clothes to match.
For stuff like werewolves, though, I agree - how are we humans to know whether a werewolf is male or female?
KatiyaKramer wrote:I still hold my views that this isn't a change that is needed at all for many reasons:
-Takes up too much time the devs should be focusing elsewhere once Unity is done (like fixing the game, it's modes and roles, giving the games rules another look through)
-It's something so minor a majority of the playerbase doesn't notice at all. Let's face it, most players do not read the part of the death announcements that say "He" or "She". They skim through it and they look for the vital information. It just seems like a change to please such a small portion of the playerbase to me, which is a waste of time given the other problems the game has at the moment that need attention first and foremost.
-As a few users have stated in other threads, it delves into a political part of society that should be kept out of the game which could bring a whole slew of other problems, such as harassment from any troll who notices a different pronoun from the skin or name, and as a juror for Trial, I know there is plenty of harassment on users based off of their names or things folks say (such as openly identifying yourself as a furry) in the first place. We don't need any added reasons for trolls to bully other users.
-This is only a change to what the GAME says, not what other players say. If you were to use a female skin, but identify as a man and have a name that could be either or, and players see your skin and say "Get her!" because they assumed your are a girl, is there going to be an issue there? If you die and people don't pay attention to the pronoun used and still refer to you as a girl, will you have an issue with that? There is still the possibility of folks mislabeling you because you cannot control what other folks think and assume and they can be more vocal about it over 5 seconds of text that is largely missed.
To me this is just something so minor that it should be far, faaarrrr down the devs list of priorities because it's just a cosmetic in reality. The core game and it's functions should be high on the list instead.
KatiyaKramer wrote:emslaya wrote:KatiyaKramer wrote:I still hold my views that this isn't a change that is needed at all for many reasons:
-Takes up too much time the devs should be focusing elsewhere once Unity is done (like fixing the game, it's modes and roles, giving the games rules another look through)
-It's something so minor a majority of the playerbase doesn't notice at all. Let's face it, most players do not read the part of the death announcements that say "He" or "She". They skim through it and they look for the vital information. It just seems like a change to please such a small portion of the playerbase to me, which is a waste of time given the other problems the game has at the moment that need attention first and foremost.
-As a few users have stated in other threads, it delves into a political part of society that should be kept out of the game which could bring a whole slew of other problems, such as harassment from any troll who notices a different pronoun from the skin or name, and as a juror for Trial, I know there is plenty of harassment on users based off of their names or things folks say (such as openly identifying yourself as a furry) in the first place. We don't need any added reasons for trolls to bully other users.
-This is only a change to what the GAME says, not what other players say. If you were to use a female skin, but identify as a man and have a name that could be either or, and players see your skin and say "Get her!" because they assumed your are a girl, is there going to be an issue there? If you die and people don't pay attention to the pronoun used and still refer to you as a girl, will you have an issue with that? There is still the possibility of folks mislabeling you because you cannot control what other folks think and assume and they can be more vocal about it over 5 seconds of text that is largely missed.
To me this is just something so minor that it should be far, faaarrrr down the devs list of priorities because it's just a cosmetic in reality. The core game and it's functions should be high on the list instead.
1. As someone studying CS, this is an extremely easy fix to make. This fix could probably be done within only a few hours, possibly less, depending on how ToS writes their code. Heck, this might even be something they could just do on the side while working on another fix. It wouldn't take up the sheer amount of time required to nerf/buff roles, make game less laggy/glitchy, etc that is usually required in the Suggestions here. TLDR; Time spent working on this fix should be negligible and really isn't a concern.
2. I listed many threads above requesting the change many times between 2015 and now. If that many people have suggested/requested it on this forum, imagine how many other players would like this change, (the vast majority of players never interact with this forum.)
1- And that is time that should be going into fixing the current state of the game first and foremost. I don't care if it takes a few hours or 20 minutes. There has not been a major game update since Coven was dropped really. There has not been a role update in over a year. The current season of Ranked has been running for over a year. The game has been suffering due to the devs focus on Unity, and while it is understandable given the time crunch, it is hurting the game. When Unity is done, the devs need to transition their time from Unity to fixing the game and it's rules before making any cosmetic changes.
2- I glanced through a few of those threads and I have a few things to note: Yes there are people who want this change, but there are also just as many folks who do not want this change. And there have been multiple reasons brought up as to why this change shouldn't be made in those threads, even this one, that no one supporting this wants to address. Also to note: There have been multiple threads over the years with people saying that the game should add some sort of a blacklist feature, and this has been understandably shot down every time due to bullying concerns and lack of a solid playerbase. Number of times suggested does not make any idea a good one.
Like I said, having this be an option could read to new forms of harassment and bullying. While you can change how the game labels you, you cannot change how other humans will label you. Most players do not pay attention to the death announcements when they clarify a gender. If the gender a player uses does not match what a player thinks and they refer to them as the gender they assume they are, the misgendered player could take offense to that and file a HS/H report for misgendering. As someone who has been misgendered once or twice (Face it, most people on the internet get misgendered at least once), I took no offense to it and I think it's utterly silly if people do. It's a mistake. Move on. But I know that not all people think this way and they will be angered enough to file reports on someone for making a mistake. It already happens in Trial.
There is also the stronger change, as I said, that trolls could notice that the gender someone picks isn't the gender their skin or name appears to give them, and they will harass that person. This already happens with people who openly identify as furries in the game, and it will happen here as well.
elile wrote:Hello, I would like to request that a new feature is made to allow individuals to either pick the pronouns for their account or for the system to use gender neutral pronouns. Although the "Easy" choice is to just pick a skin based upon what you are, the issue arises when a androgynous or even masc-appearing character is "apparently as girl" as seen most heavily in the Uriel skin. Some players express distaste for spending so much money on a skin onto to find it calls them something unexpected or unliked, and may for various reasons not like being called one way or the other. This is not really a "trans" issue, although many may assume it to be such, as much as ensuring individuals are enjoying the game to the fullest and not feeling as if they may less satisfied with a purchase due to a misconception. A possible easy fix would be to just shift the androgynous to masc skins to have different pronouns, however this would possibly upset any current users who don't mind or even enjoy the current system. Though this is is in general a relatively small thing, it can persuade individuals to be more or less likely to purchase items in game based upon such a stupid reason, and could even be causing issues where people aren't buying certain more exclusive items simply based upon this.
Skin examples that I have documented by other players with problems with their pronouns:
Uriel
Crusader* (Apparently was a bug when appeared as a "girl" before, but some experienced distaste with the change.)
Potion Master
Poisoner
You may see a small example of some of the complaints in steam threads (https://steamcommunity.com/app/334230/d ... 603836453/), though most I've paid attention to were in-game. There is a former doccumented "player pronouns" thing in suggestions, however it neither looks into the issues of "mistaken" characters, as well as seems to be heavily derailed and focusing with interest on transgender experiences in the matter. However, 41% agreed they'd like customizations, and 6% said they'd want it to be customized or gender neutral inherently. There could be options such as "character specific/they/he/she" to ensure all parties could be satisfied. Thank you for hearing my proposal.
Yemac wrote:/nosupport.
It's just a game. I think there are more pressing issues with the game itself and the community the devs have to focus on, than to put in a lot of work for a small minority that either bought something with the wrong pronoun, or don't enjoy the game as much because of said pronouns. (+ this is a political issue, not something a casual game should need to focus on)
CrimsonKatana wrote:I think this would just create more harassment, when you have a different pronoun than the default and you know when someone that doesn't like it sees it, you know what could happen...
kyuss420 wrote:does anyone really care about the fictional gender of a fictional character in a fiction based game? I mean, youre not really a sheriff either, so why doesnt being called sheriff in a fiction based game annoy you?
Jackparrot wrote:I don't think many would stop playing entirely because the devs wouldn't implement this. However, some players would definitively feel more welcome, so why shouldn't the developers add this?
Brilliand wrote:Jackparrot wrote:I don't think many would stop playing entirely because the devs wouldn't implement this. However, some players would definitively feel more welcome, so why shouldn't the developers add this?
It would make some people feel more welcome, it would make some (probably a lot more) players feel less welcome. I'm not seeing the advantage.
PikamanUltra wrote:Brilliand wrote:Jackparrot wrote:I don't think many would stop playing entirely because the devs wouldn't implement this. However, some players would definitively feel more welcome, so why shouldn't the developers add this?
It would make some people feel more welcome, it would make some (probably a lot more) players feel less welcome. I'm not seeing the advantage.
I agree, now I'm an exe, not a psychic. But even I can see the potential of a slippery snowflake slope to SJW land, inclusion is good, and this should be added. But if 'making players feel welcome' is the devs priority the game will go no where.
Brilliand wrote:Jackparrot wrote:I don't think many would stop playing entirely because the devs wouldn't implement this. However, some players would definitively feel more welcome, so why shouldn't the developers add this?
It would make some people feel more welcome, it would make some (probably a lot more) players feel less welcome. I'm not seeing the advantage.
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