SFM 67: Christmas Paranoia Mafia-Game Over-Christmas Saved?

[LOLingHyena]

Jackson/acidic/alwaysnever is my wagonlist rn

This is fair

This also pings me as self aware

I'm down to focus (multi dota Jackson) today in no particular order

Alright, + Multi and Jackson in addition to Dota. I'll make a note of that. Why aren't you including Michael if you're agreeing with your "mason partner"s read on him?

I keep forgetting he's in the game, pretend he's in the same classification

Okay, cool.

he was in my poe but that doesnt mean i had a scumread on him

also the “we might not maj” was me thinking we had a lot less people on the wagon then we actually did

Alright fair enough.

I think this might just be a pet peeve of mine, but I really dislike it when people are like "_____ doesn't mean anything" because it's such a lazy approach. Not only does it not add anything to the game, but to me, it minimizes everything else that could matter. At the very least, it's very anti-town if not scummy.

it does mean zilch
it shuts down discussion but youre missing the fact that its unhealthy discussion

scum dont know eachothers alignments other than 2 town, and even then their townpeeks might not be obvious

First, see my post above to Uzay about townpeeks potentially not being obvious. Second, I'm not going to do this right now, but later, I'm going to explain to you, and to Uzay, and to anyone else who is agreeing with you two, why this specific discussion isn't unhealthy to have, any why it's lazy as fuck and shallow to suggest that.

[LOLingHyena]

null is boring

it's d3 start putting people in scum or townreads

if you get rid of your nulls then you have a bunch of really weak town and/or scum reads that you really can't explain

Weak town and scum reads are still better than null reads. And kind of town or scum read indicates a decision you've made on someone, where as a null read is a lack of one, especially when there's no explanation why someone's null, too. It's objectively town to be making decisions on someone, because it pushes the game forward.

I've lost all confidence in my acidic scum read

heck

Okay. Why? Coincidentally, a vote count was posted shortly after you made this post (at 2:00pmEST), and the three leading wagons were you with three votes and Acidic+AlwaysNever with two votes. You voting Acidic at that point would've tied them up with your wagon. Why shouldn't I think right now that you don't want to scumread Acidic anymore because it means you'll actually have to vote for them and potentially be on their wagon in order to lynch them? Why shouldn't I think they are a townclear for you?

[LOLingHyena]

I'll be around for eod btw

btw we actually have under 3 hours left fyi

both times michael states he's familiar with EoD coming and both times he's NOT there and ends up leaving his vote not on the top wagon

/vote michael chem's right this is scum lads

I too enjoy accusing people as scum based on their activity
Chances are maybe he's busy irl or forgot

Stop making excuses for him and explain what makes you think he's town if you disagree with the vote. You're doing Michael no favors by saying that -maybe- he's busy irl or forgot. OR, if you don't agree with the argument they're making on Michael, show that the argument is bad and is bullshit.

I did
I literally implied that the argument is NAI

As for my stance on michael i cant rmb anything noteworthy he did so he can go into the meh category

No. What you did was minimize Dota's argument and tried to suggest it was based on activity. The actual argument Dota made was that 1.) Michael saying he's aware EoD is coming, is there for a while, then suddenly disappears when it gets close to ending, and 2.) Michael leaving his vote not on one of the top wagons. Neither of these suggest a lack of activity on Michael's part.

[Chemist1422]

prodge-ish

hi hyena what should I read rn

[LOLingHyena]

@AlwaysNever's wall post

I dunno, come up with a solid target and make a case on them then we'll see how it goes
Also i didnt remove jackson because he voted you but because you and acidic are both less active than him therefore you're probably more likely to be scum

I'll give you Acidic, but no, I wouldn't consider AlwaysNever less active than Jackson anymore. If I made a post listing things AlwaysNever has done game-wise and did the same for Jackson, I feel like AlwaysNever's post will always be longer. What is making Jackson look more active to you?

I remember seeing more jackson posts than alwaysnever posts
But granted recently alwaysnever have been getting more active

Are you counting ALL of Jackson's posts, or just the ones where he's posting content?

[LOLingHyena]

prodge-ish

hi hyena what should I read rn

I'll have an answer after I eat dinner...

... which I am leaving now to do. See you all in a bit!

[polypies73]

thank you uzay for showing that you are scum with me as your townpeek.

I think it's time for me to read ISO's, since trying to play off associations is kind of bad.

micheal not defending themself makes me question what is happening there.

[SparkingJay]

Sorry for the sudden drop in wim. I will try pick it back up in the morning

[SparkingJay]

WHY THE FUCK IS THE POST EDITOR LAGGING

did someone post an omega wall or some shit

Snitching time, it was Google

[polypies73]

Ok I actually read all these people's ISO:

Chemist - townlean
HTG - scumlean
jackson - town
sparking - town
uzay - scum
hyena - town
wabbit - scumlean (although holy f reading wabbit is hard)
multi - scumlean

Ok my brain's dying now.

reasoning comes later
uzay ez scum though lmao

also i noticed if chemist is scum micheal is like 99% their townpeek

[therealet1]

no hyena
you literally cant ever discern whose townpeeks are who
saying that discussing something you cant even figure out isnt a waste of time is flatout wrong
but you said youd show how later down the line so by all means

[MichaelgRook]

I've lost all confidence in my acidic scum read

heck

how so?

it may partially be because they all but disappeared from the game since we voted them yesterday

[MichaelgRook]

I'll be around for eod btw

btw we actually have under 3 hours left fyi

both times michael states he's familiar with EoD coming and both times he's NOT there and ends up leaving his vote not on the top wagon

/vote michael chem's right this is scum lads

I too enjoy accusing people as scum based on their activity
Chances are maybe he's busy irl or forgot

Stop making excuses for him and explain what makes you think he's town if you disagree with the vote. You're doing Michael no favors by saying that -maybe- he's busy irl or forgot. OR, if you don't agree with the argument they're making on Michael, show that the argument is bad and is bullshit.

I did
I literally implied that the argument is NAI

As for my stance on michael i cant rmb anything noteworthy he did so he can go into the meh category

No. What you did was minimize Dota's argument and tried to suggest it was based on activity. The actual argument Dota made was that 1.) Michael saying he's aware EoD is coming, is there for a while, then suddenly disappears when it gets close to ending, and 2.) Michael leaving his vote not on one of the top wagons. Neither of these suggest a lack of activity on Michael's part.

activity is NAI and the fact you would try to argue in spite of that is sad

also I don't remember what the other top wagon was but I was against 0ver lynch

[AcidicBreeze]

how long till eod?

[Eragon1329]

Day 3 ends in about 27 hours from now

[AcidicBreeze]

Thanks

[LOLingHyena]

I'll be around for eod btw

btw we actually have under 3 hours left fyi

both times michael states he's familiar with EoD coming and both times he's NOT there and ends up leaving his vote not on the top wagon

/vote michael chem's right this is scum lads

I too enjoy accusing people as scum based on their activity
Chances are maybe he's busy irl or forgot

Stop making excuses for him and explain what makes you think he's town if you disagree with the vote. You're doing Michael no favors by saying that -maybe- he's busy irl or forgot. OR, if you don't agree with the argument they're making on Michael, show that the argument is bad and is bullshit.

I did
I literally implied that the argument is NAI

As for my stance on michael i cant rmb anything noteworthy he did so he can go into the meh category

No. What you did was minimize Dota's argument and tried to suggest it was based on activity. The actual argument Dota made was that 1.) Michael saying he's aware EoD is coming, is there for a while, then suddenly disappears when it gets close to ending, and 2.) Michael leaving his vote not on one of the top wagons. Neither of these suggest a lack of activity on Michael's part.

activity is NAI and the fact you would try to argue in spite of that is sad

also I don't remember what the other top wagon was but I was against 0ver lynch

Activity is, indeed, NAI, but again, this is NOT about activity. Stop trying to frame it as such. And while you're at it, answer the other points I made against you earlier.

[LOLingHyena]

prodge-ish

hi hyena what should I read rn

I'll have an answer after I eat dinner...

... which I am leaving now to do. See you all in a bit!

Read ET, and tell me what you think of him.

[MichaelgRook]

null is boring

it's d3 start putting people in scum or townreads

if you get rid of your nulls then you have a bunch of really weak town and/or scum reads that you really can't explain

Weak town and scum reads are still better than null reads. And kind of town or scum read indicates a decision you've made on someone, where as a null read is a lack of one, especially when there's no explanation why someone's null, too. It's objectively town to be making decisions on someone, because it pushes the game forward.

I've lost all confidence in my acidic scum read

heck

Okay. Why? Coincidentally, a vote count was posted shortly after you made this post (at 2:00pmEST), and the three leading wagons were you with three votes and Acidic+AlwaysNever with two votes. You voting Acidic at that point would've tied them up with your wagon. Why shouldn't I think right now that you don't want to scumread Acidic anymore because it means you'll actually have to vote for them and potentially be on their wagon in order to lynch them? Why shouldn't I think they are a townclear for you?

thats a fair point about null reads

I don't see how the timing of a votecount after my post matters, but I'm seeing acidic as less of scum and more of just a prodger, but it also could just have something to do with my wim drop, I'm not entirely sure, literally as I'm typing this I'm starting to see that a prodge could be a play scum!acidic uses to lose attention and subsequently pressure so it could just be a lack of overall interest affecting my reads

[LOLingHyena]

Updated list:

Hyena -- It's me mo'fos.

--- Top two townreads

Dota -- I did start to have some doubt at EoD2, mostly because I was aggravated that Jackson got away with not being on a main wagon again, but I'm feeling good again about Dota. My read on him still stands.

SparkingJay -- My read on him still stands, and it doesn't change after reading his interactions with ET. I don't think he was unreasonable at all in his case against ET. He brought up points, then showed evidence when ET mentioned he couldn't metaread him.

--- Top 6

Wabbit -- Wabbit coasting at the moment, but I'm okay with it because even though he's coasting right now, he's still commenting on stuff and adding thoughts to the thread. I do expect him to come back though and resume playing at the level he was before he started coasting. Otherwise, I'm probably going to bump him down my list.

Poly -- So, I've been thinking about how to explain my read on Poly, and even though it's still based on a lot of assumptions, I feel like I've found the words to explain it. Basically, I know that -I- am town, and I'm viewing Poly as a player with a similar playstyle as me right now. It feels like we have the same kind of thoughts and reactions to things happening in the game. For this reason, I -want- to call him town for it. In my experience, if someone who has a similar playstyle as me continues having the same kind of thoughts and ideas as me, it usually means they're town, too.

AlwaysNever -- Although I have him lower than Wabbit and Poly, I feel like Always has offered SparkingJay-levels of insight when he has posted, which is why I was really surprised that Multi still consider him less active than Jackson. It's also why I'm still keeping an eye on ET, even if I'm not completely seeing him as scum yet.

Chemist -- Chemist has dipped, and not just in my list. With that said, during his short bursts of activity, I like what he has posted. Specifically, I liked the manner in which he defended Multi and HTG from Dota, as well as his push on Michael.

Uzay -- Uzay is potentially one of Debil's townclears. I'm aggravated that he's trying to say that we shouldn't bother speculating about townclears or speculating who we could be townclears for. With that said, I'm still in the same headspace as him with regard to Jackson, and I haven't taken Jackson out of consideration for lynching today.

Multi -- Multi is also potentially one of Debil's townclears. He's starting to aggravate me, too. He relented that Always has started becoming more active recently, but I didn't see him bring Jackson back into contention for a lynch in spite of taking him out of contention in the first place for being "active". I think he's just wrong here. Although I'm not entirely convinced that Acidic is scum, I don't think Multi's push on them has been unreasonable, particularly the point about them having sheeping/opportunistic votes.

--- Bottom 6

HTG
ET
Acidic
Google
Michael
Jackson

[LOLingHyena]

null is boring

it's d3 start putting people in scum or townreads

if you get rid of your nulls then you have a bunch of really weak town and/or scum reads that you really can't explain

Weak town and scum reads are still better than null reads. And kind of town or scum read indicates a decision you've made on someone, where as a null read is a lack of one, especially when there's no explanation why someone's null, too. It's objectively town to be making decisions on someone, because it pushes the game forward.

I've lost all confidence in my acidic scum read

heck

Okay. Why? Coincidentally, a vote count was posted shortly after you made this post (at 2:00pmEST), and the three leading wagons were you with three votes and Acidic+AlwaysNever with two votes. You voting Acidic at that point would've tied them up with your wagon. Why shouldn't I think right now that you don't want to scumread Acidic anymore because it means you'll actually have to vote for them and potentially be on their wagon in order to lynch them? Why shouldn't I think they are a townclear for you?

thats a fair point about null reads

I don't see how the timing of a votecount after my post matters, but I'm seeing acidic as less of scum and more of just a prodger, but it also could just have something to do with my wim drop, I'm not entirely sure, literally as I'm typing this I'm starting to see that a prodge could be a play scum!acidic uses to lose attention and subsequently pressure so it could just be a lack of overall interest affecting my reads

Alright, alright. This is better. Just out of curiosity, what's causing your WIM drop? It's weird that so many people's WIM is down. Do you have any thoughts on that?

[heytheregirl17]

Ok I actually read all these people's ISO:

Chemist - townlean
HTG - scumlean
jackson - town
sparking - town
uzay - scum
hyena - town
wabbit - scumlean (although holy f reading wabbit is hard)
multi - scumlean

Ok my brain's dying now.

reasoning comes later
uzay ez scum though lmao

also i noticed if chemist is scum micheal is like 99% their townpeek

I feel like I already asked you why you scumread me
but I don't remember so I'll ask again

[polypies73]

Ok I actually read all these people's ISO:

Chemist - townlean
HTG - scumlean
jackson - town
sparking - town
uzay - scum
hyena - town
wabbit - scumlean (although holy f reading wabbit is hard)
multi - scumlean

Ok my brain's dying now.

reasoning comes later
uzay ez scum though lmao

also i noticed if chemist is scum micheal is like 99% their townpeek

I feel like I already asked you why you scumread me
but I don't remember so I'll ask again

the whole game you've pushed dota
and basically done nothing else.

That's the main reason.
Also the vibes form your posts seem forced and like unbelievable to come from a townei mindset

[TheWabbit]

i suddenly had the urge to turn into a potted plant

[MichaelgRook]

@Hyena for myself, I'd say work mixed with other life issues and just a higher interest in playing my switch

for anyone else I couldn't say