StrahmDude wrote:Brilliand wrote:This seems very similar to the Investigator, in that it divides the possible roles up into several short lists. It differs from the Investigator in that it doesn't get any results if the target "stayed home", but other than that, it's essentially an Investigator that has its results grouped in a different way.
Note that the "visited with killing intent" category is probably overpowered for this role, since Vigilantes and Jailors confirm themselves if they visit, leaving only the various killing evils (which tend to visit every night).
Same power as a lookout. No one would cc a jailor claim and you see when someone dies to a vig. It really wouldn't be overpowered in the slightest.
regarding both you and brilliand. It is like the Investigator and that's the kind of issue I had from it from the beginning but I feel with enough changes it may work much differently and can work in combination with a spy/investigator for more deduction.
Boredfan1 wrote:I don't think this is necessarily a bad idea however, I do suggest a couple of changes.
1st: If they visit someone that kills, they simple get the message "Your target killed someone!" though nothing specific. It does have the issue of confirming vigilantes however, it can't confirm anything else and it wouldn't confirm veterans any differently than any other role. However, if they failed to kill their target, then this role should get whatever message that the person did such as the person was jailed or immune.
2nd: If they visit an investigative role, they get the message "Your target has gathered information on their target!" with any role lists being different between mafia and coven mode.
The mafia mode would have Investigator/Sheriff/Consigliere/Lookout/Spy/Blackmailer/Observer
Coven mode would Investigator/Sheriff/Consigliere/Lookout/Spy/Blackmailer/Psychic/Tracker/Observer
3rd: Disguiser would be part of support so it goes there.
4th: If someone got roleblocked, then this role should get that last message "Your target waited for an ideal moment".
For point 1, I disagree. I think that if roles that can harm other players (vigilante, jailor (even if they're not executing), veteran, mafia that kills, poisoner) should have that the visited with harmful intent so they aren't 100% outted if they're caught this way.
2. Not sure what you're saying with this point sorry outside of the investigator results. In which they seem a tad big?
3. Disguiser does fit in support but I felt it might fit better if they visit with whatever their target would visit with, fitting the Disguiser concept. That may be bad though
4. Yeah this is perfect, I completely agree.