Joacgroso wrote:I feel like I went from Light Yagami to Keiichi Maebara.
Flavorable wrote:We are working on phasing out forum reports alltogether. I sincerely doubt that gamethrowing will be reportable on the forums again. Our judges have more than enough work on their plates, they shouldn't also have to do the job we have jurors for.
I understand the frustration, but when GT reports were still handled on the forums, a lot of them were invalid (so a waste of time for Judges), and didn't get handled any quicker than they are now.
Grethius wrote:1. There are jurors and Higher who will not guilty a report because they do not think its that big of an issue, soooo many times I hear the excuse " oh it's just a game. why u mad?" mainly because they are doing the same crap themselves. And if you do not think they are not, I Highly suggest you take a good look. or they know someone getting reported and refuse to guilty them even though it goes against the rules. Same with Dev's / Mods refusing to flip an INNO verdict even though they admit themselves " TECHNICALLY its against the rules but MY personal feelings say otherwise".
Grethius wrote:There are 2 problems here that go hand in hand.
1. There are jurors and Higher who will not guilty a report because they do not think its that big of an issue, soooo many times I hear the excuse " oh it's just a game. why u mad?" mainly because they are doing the same crap themselves. And if you do not think they are not, I Highly suggest you take a good look. or they know someone getting reported and refuse to guilty them even though it goes against the rules. Same with Dev's / Mods refusing to flip an INNO verdict even though they admit themselves " TECHNICALLY its against the rules but MY personal feelings say otherwise".
2. the game is going through an admin change right now and sadly they're main focus is on Unity ( still ) and getting the admin staff figured out. They could care less about gamethrowing/cheating unless it is something serious like some kind of hatespeech or pedo stuff. and even with hatespeech, hatespeech specifically states that its permabanned. Yet people are only getting suspended. Why? because its only a game right?
Flavorable wrote:Grethius wrote:There are 2 problems here that go hand in hand.
1. There are jurors and Higher who will not guilty a report because they do not think its that big of an issue, soooo many times I hear the excuse " oh it's just a game. why u mad?" mainly because they are doing the same crap themselves. And if you do not think they are not, I Highly suggest you take a good look. or they know someone getting reported and refuse to guilty them even though it goes against the rules. Same with Dev's / Mods refusing to flip an INNO verdict even though they admit themselves " TECHNICALLY its against the rules but MY personal feelings say otherwise".
2. the game is going through an admin change right now and sadly they're main focus is on Unity ( still ) and getting the admin staff figured out. They could care less about gamethrowing/cheating unless it is something serious like some kind of hatespeech or pedo stuff. and even with hatespeech, hatespeech specifically states that its permabanned. Yet people are only getting suspended. Why? because its only a game right?
The game isn't going through an admin change, though? Not sure where you get your info from, but it's not factual.
Also, nowhere is stated that all hatespeech is permabanned.
As for your first point: jurors and judges look at the broad picture, we're not just going to ban people for making a dumb play, which is what a lot of people want us to do.
I suggest if you feel differently, you e-mail the devs and ask them to change the rules and how they are implemented and handled.
Grethius wrote:There are 2 problems here that go hand in hand.
1. There are jurors and Higher who will not guilty a report because they do not think its that big of an issue, soooo many times I hear the excuse " oh it's just a game. why u mad?" mainly because they are doing the same crap themselves.
Grethius wrote:Exactly the response I thought I would get.
the game isnt going through an admin change? Okay... turdpile is stepping down/away and Naru is taking his place? yeah Id call that admin changes. This is only on Discord, and if there is an admin change permanently, it won't be before Trial V2 is rolled out. It has no bearing on current reports.
When Other jurors/judges/mods are saying yes its guilty but we dont see that kind of thing that much of a serious issue so we are going to inno. And you know full well that is the case because I know you personally have had those conversations before. I mean its all over discord. If it's borderline, then yes, it is at Judge discretion, however, nowadays with the new rules in place, hardly anything is borderline anymore. If it goes up to Judges and they feel the crime isn't bad enough to warrant an immediate punishment, they will Exception the report, not vote innocent on it. The main issue is that a lot of people don't seem to realise that what we or they might find gamethrowing, is not always considered gamethrowing by the official rules that the Devs made and we are bound by.
@ Sparkling, Oh yes. some of their thought process are everyone does it, I dont see a problem with it so Im not going to guilty this report even though it violates the rules. I have seen photographic evidence of these conversations in both discord and in reports. So do not tell me this is not the case. And I did not say "personal experiences" I said "personal beliefs". BIG difference.
Plus with you saying that you're trying to get all the reporting off of the forums anyway to rely on trial server itself, when V2 hasnt even dropped yet. I can think of quite a few reasons why you are trying to pull reporting off of the forums. Personally I think they should stay, why? because the player base has a right to know what kind of people you are allowing into this game. So when they see people doing this kind of crap, they tend to recognize their account name and end up leaving games. I had 4 people leave a game last night because of one person in particular who is a known gamethrower and completely toxic, they as jailor excuted town on n3 and did it 3 games in a row. So No. taking reports off of the forums is a HUGE mistake. But hey Im just a lowly player juror. Im not well known, But I am trying to help by being a juror because there is simply not enough compotent ones.Forum reports are being removed because it takes too much time for Judges to have to handle things that should be handled by Jurors. You might not agree with that, but it is, however, a fact. Once we migrate to a different forum, forum reports will very likely no longer exist. And there is a big difference between no longer being able to report people on a forum and people not getting punished if they do break the rules. Afaik, however, there is talk of implementing some form of feedback system when people report someone. And while I get that people want to see what is done with their reports, the Trial System doesn't exist for that, it exists to punish people for breaking the rules (and filtering out the thousands of invalid and/or salt-based reports). The fact alone that the ability was there to report people on the forums AND the fact that people can look up player's reports on Discord, is much more than a lot of games offer, feedback-wise. Not to mention the public appeals forum where everyone can see people that got banned or suspended.
Joacgroso wrote:I feel like I went from Light Yagami to Keiichi Maebara.
Joacgroso wrote:I didn't know ads were limited. Anyway, can't toxic players just make more accounts?
Joacgroso wrote:I feel like I went from Light Yagami to Keiichi Maebara.
Joacgroso wrote:I mean, can't they just make more mobile accounts with different emails?
yolomcswaggins03 wrote:I have a suggestion of how to fix this problem. I think that there should be a like button for good players so people with many likes are put together. just a simple suggestion to the creators.
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