VFM57 - Vig10+Cop9 - Mafia Wins

[Jalandh]

And TBH Faking cop as town make no sense
Seems to me More scum play
First claim = townier
And any sane cop would CC You

What

No wolf would have did a green check though, I was gonna make a wall about why a wolf wouldnt do it in hopes the cop wouldnt cc me for it

I even gave you reason why I was gonna do it as town :/

[Jalandh]

Hi All
First I want to post What was I drinking when shooting Flake ( in spoiler ) :
This is definitely not A monolog I made at night
Spoiler: Okay , Let's come to The party .
After ryan flip town I am The First one to blamed So I need to shoot correct tonight or I am tomorrow's mislynch
I know I am town
Royee is pmuch town as well
Ejji is town
That leave 4 town and 2 Scum
Unless Dota hardbussed Chemist Dota is town
Chemist is town Hopefully
Like
I had words to say them If they are town
But they Dont feel me scum at Last
Flake is ???
TBH I can shot Flake but If they turn town I am gonna blamed hard post-game

It is probably either Flake/Hyena/Qva or Dota/Chem , Jal somehow seems to me geniune
So
Actually Let me look Flake's ISO again
Wait I forget hyena
My problem about Flake is they never reconsider their read on people D2 until Last CFDs
Dang it
TBH 1/4 is A decent chance to shoot correctly
But it is hard
Dota is town probably
Ejji as well
Royee as welll
2/5 chance here
At (Chem , Flake , Hyena , Qva , Jal )
Teams :
Chem,Flake
Chem,Hyena
Chem,Qva
Chem,Jal
Flake,Hyena
Flake,Qva
Flake,Jal
Hyena,Qva
Hyena,Jal
Qva,Jal
Actually Qva is probably town as well
Flake wouldnt tunnel Chem at SvS
That leaves
Chem,Hyena
Chem,Jal
Flake,Hyena
Flake,Jal
Hyena,Jal

Chem,Jal Dont make much sense
TBH Flake feel scum but whatever
Mainly bc they only read A Few players actually
Actually Flake / Jal make little sense , too
So that leaves , Flake , Hyena , right ?
TBH I am More inclined to think Flake is scum Than Hyena


Catching up now

wait you think Qva is town here? Can you show us why?

Ehem ehem that is A monolog I made at night

A flake cop flip makes Qva scum? o.o

Actually me countercheckewing VFM 56 ISO with that Game

Oh idk, Qva seemed familiar but i dont remember any game ive had with em

[UzayAltay]

And TBH Faking cop as town make no sense
Seems to me More scum play
First claim = townier
And any sane cop would CC You

What

No wolf would have did a green check though, I was gonna make a wall about why a wolf wouldnt do it in hopes the cop wouldnt cc me for it

I even gave you reason why I was gonna do it as town :/

It is The opposite
Unless wolf claim they check cop with redcheck , they cant claim A red , Because they always lynched First due Numbers .

[Jalandh]

And TBH Faking cop as town make no sense
Seems to me More scum play
First claim = townier
And any sane cop would CC You

What

No wolf would have did a green check though, I was gonna make a wall about why a wolf wouldnt do it in hopes the cop wouldnt cc me for it

I even gave you reason why I was gonna do it as town :/

It is The opposite
Unless wolf claim they check cop with redcheck , they cant claim A red , Because they always lynched First due Numbers .

So...you think id claim a green check for ??? reasons out of no where as a wolf? Just to out a cop who already probably had a check?

[Jalandh]

Hello

[Jalandh]

where did everyone go? I gotta go to work now :/

[Jalandh]

I think its been long enough that i can remind people what dadv means

Also gonna stop posting until someone else does before i get banned for spamming

[Jalandh]

let me clarify

i expected to be voted here because i doubted how well some of you could have hid the fact that i wasnt actually cop and I was thinking you werre gonna cc me or something stupid

Why didn't you change your play after flake died then? You were still kinda passive today even though your plan failed

What? I was busy for the start and now ive posted probably more then i have all of yesterday in the last few hours?

[Jalandh]

Someone whos been paying attention, how many more mislynchs do we have to work with?

[dota2reporter]

hey im back

i'll iso jalandh today

[Chemist1422]

hey im back

i'll iso jalandh today

same

[ejjinami]

After looking some more at the first, second, and fourth posts I quoted from Royee in my ISO dive on him, something stood out to me. In the first two posts, Royee is getting annoyed by the way Uzay is reading him, almost as if Uzay is reading him incorrectly. Then, in the fourth post I quoted, I mentioned that it felt less like a defense of Ryan and more like an attempt to question Uzay's ability to read Ryan.

Was Royee questioning Uzay's ability to read Ryan because he thought Uzay was misreading him? If this is the case, this is incredibly towny, and I think it's an incredibly genuine knee-jerk reaction to Uzay possibly misreading him, especially considering that Ryan ended up flipping town. Like, the emotion required to do something like what I think he did is hard to fake as scum, and I don't see Royee being able to pull that out spontaneously.

Thus, now I'm heavily thinking Royee is just town here. I'll go through the rest of his ISO to be sure, but this might be enough to clear him.

You’re talking about those ones, right? Spoiler:

Why royee's catchup sucks ?

name me a game where i didnt post reads d1 forcefully

I find it funny how you talk about hard-buddying 2-3 hours after the game started
Does that mean you think flake is a wolf?
And does that mean you think dota is townie?
Besides, considering how often people town/scum read others because of tone, you saying that you don’t understand what he’s talking about is weird

no i actually had this opinion since the start i was lazy to post it and went to play some league, it doesnt make any differences because what is written is written .
no it doesnt i have no idea why you are thinking like that.
trying to sr based on tone lol

/vote ryan

Yeah This is scum!ryan
Especially with them pushing me without reason
And I am especially sure they think they can mislynch me , and they need to ML me Because I even became suspicious from their entrance
TBH I wanted to stay on Royee wagon Because their reaction still smells wolf to me , but This is 1000000% Scum .

So posting something that makes me laugh is somehow scummy. But yea I do agree about the ryan thing, but I think it comes from a low wim. I have more to say about this but reads are for later.

Tbh I don’t see it at all ):
I don’t see how the stuff you talked about can be differentiated from just deflection / trying to act edgy, unconcerned, etc.
You should probably just read his whole ISO first imo.

[ejjinami]

I still don’t think I’d want to lynch him tho. The way he confronted people who scum-read him later on felt sort of townie… and I liked some of his interactions with jal
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=102881&p=3268109#p3268109
they feel genuine in a way.
Him scum-reading uzay for “Town-reading him just to shut him up” seems like a weird thing for scum to think of as well.
The main feeling I got from his ISO was that he’s sort of “determined” or like, set on what he’s doing, which I’m not entirely sure how to read
but yeeah… :/

I’d still want him to talk a bit about his progression on qvap and chem. Besides the awkward tone in some of his posts, that's probably the thing I'm the most doubtful of rn

[ejjinami]

Tbh I’ll probably just end up trying to PoE the scums here
We have 2 lynches left so getting 4 town-reads right most likely just wins the game

I still think dota should most likely be town because of the reasons I mentioned previously.
Uzay is confirmed now
and my read on chemist still stands.
After thinking about it a bit, I THINK I’m ok with adding hyena to the town-block as well.
There should be 2 scums among [hyena, royee, qvap, jal] and as for now I think I’m the most ok with letting hyena out of that bracket

I’m struggling to get a read on royee so tbh I’d prefer to talk to him first
Probably same with qvap… though tbh I will most likely just try to ISO his other games

/vote jal

Youre stuggling for a read on ther of them so you wanna wait to vote but are happy to vote me, this mean you have a confident read on me?

It’s PoE
aaaand your ISO being the hardest one to work with
just elaborate on your reads on qvap and chemist, please.

[ejjinami]

And TBH Faking cop as town make no sense
Seems to me More scum play
First claim = townier
And any sane cop would CC You

What

No wolf would have did a green check though, I was gonna make a wall about why a wolf wouldnt do it in hopes the cop wouldnt cc me for it

I even gave you reason why I was gonna do it as town :/

fake-claiming mafia traitor as a reaction test as NK makes no sense either

[ejjinami]

like Qva hasnt pushed Chemist here once today, only making a single post about them while voting else where

I think there's one scum in {jalandh,hyena} and one scum in {chemist,royee}

I thought pushing hyena would help me solve my first bracket and it did. I really liked their latest posts and they're solid town for me now.

is there any reason for the brackets being separated in that way?

[ejjinami]

I just realized that I might be a workaholic of some sorts
Writing catchups and not being up to date completely drains my wim
But for some reason I just can’t stop doing it… I tried a few times and every time I ended up forgetting stuff or being detached from the game in general
And even when I’m up to date, I force myself to do too much, get good reads on people, look through their previous games, which only makes it worse
I just caught myself on wanting to try to look for meta-tells on hyena, qvap and royee, of which each of them would take at least 2 hours
and tbh I still feel like crap so I’m just probably gonna chill fn and maybe get some rest during the night. I haven't done much but I feel like I really need it

[ejjinami]

I don’t have anything planned today so I’ll probably still look at the thread from time to time but don’t expect too much from me

[ejjinami]

here,
Spoiler:

cat of happiness

[ejjinami]

like Qva hasnt pushed Chemist here once today, only making a single post about them while voting else where

I think there's one scum in {jalandh,hyena} and one scum in {chemist,royee}

I thought pushing hyena would help me solve my first bracket and it did. I really liked their latest posts and they're solid town for me now.

is there any reason for the brackets being separated in that way?

The eod wagons

oh, ok

[Royee]

i am here

[ejjinami]

i am here

Fun fact, so am I
And so is everyone else who said that today.

[ejjinami]

i am pretty confident that qva is 75% going to roll town, otherwise you(i cant explain more).
can you really push someone because of a cfding final votecount
vc analyzes dont seem to work much

nvm qva is scum

by uzay's and dota's scum reads' logic chemist+qva are the maf team

by uzay's and dota's scum reads' logic chemist+qva are the maf team

Who do you think is scum now that uzay claimed vig?
iirc you disagreed with me+chem

I have more feelings towards both of you that you can flip scum.
anyway my poe is
if chemist flips scum -> lynch you
if chemist flips town -> lynch both jal and lol

hey, @royee, could you elaborate on read on qva? If I understood it correctly, you were town-reading him at first because you thought that he was the vig and then, when uzay claimed, you started scum-reading him instead. If so, why aren’t you voting him?
and you seemed to be town-reading chemist yesterday so why do you want to lynch him now?

Bump

[Royee]

After looking some more at the first, second, and fourth posts I quoted from Royee in my ISO dive on him, something stood out to me. In the first two posts, Royee is getting annoyed by the way Uzay is reading him, almost as if Uzay is reading him incorrectly. Then, in the fourth post I quoted, I mentioned that it felt less like a defense of Ryan and more like an attempt to question Uzay's ability to read Ryan.

Was Royee questioning Uzay's ability to read Ryan because he thought Uzay was misreading him? If this is the case, this is incredibly towny, and I think it's an incredibly genuine knee-jerk reaction to Uzay possibly misreading him, especially considering that Ryan ended up flipping town. Like, the emotion required to do something like what I think he did is hard to fake as scum, and I don't see Royee being able to pull that out spontaneously.

Thus, now I'm heavily thinking Royee is just town here. I'll go through the rest of his ISO to be sure, but this might be enough to clear him.

> no

[Royee]

Spoiler:

i am pretty confident that qva is 75% going to roll town, otherwise you(i cant explain more).
can you really push someone because of a cfding final votecount
vc analyzes dont seem to work much

nvm qva is scum

by uzay's and dota's scum reads' logic chemist+qva are the maf team

by uzay's and dota's scum reads' logic chemist+qva are the maf team

Who do you think is scum now that uzay claimed vig?
iirc you disagreed with me+chem

I have more feelings towards both of you that you can flip scum.
anyway my poe is
if chemist flips scum -> lynch you
if chemist flips town -> lynch both jal and lol

hey, @royee, could you elaborate on read on qva? If I understood it correctly, you were town-reading him at first because you thought that he was the vig and then, when uzay claimed, you started scum-reading him instead. If so, why aren’t you voting him?
and you seemed to be town-reading chemist yesterday so why do you want to lynch him now?

Qva's meta is different compering this game to vfm56, he seems more clueless than what he was in that game. Although Qva somehow selfmetaed/read himself I still considered him townie because I had thought that he is either vig(because he had scared tone) or just town due to me townreading chemist.
This has a little bit dropped since the start of day 2. But I find Jal/Hyena duo much more scummy than Chemist/Qva.
So what I was suggesting what lynch Chemist, if he flips read lynch Jal; if he flips town lynch Jal and Hyena.