Is VFR ever fair?

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Re: Is VFR ever fair?

Postby kyuss420 » Fri Aug 09, 2019 2:40 am

People sound like no roles have been claimed, or wills been posted ever. I mean....with TP/LO on the jailor, LO can confirm certain players. making 3 or 4 townies confirmed from day 2 (in an optimal situation) with 1 townie dead, that leaves 4-5 townies to find before you kill everyone else in the game. So is it easier to find the 4 townies? Or is it easier to find the 5 evils?

Either way, the remaining 9 players are going to be pushed at some point... so is it better to speed things along and push them early? Or sit around and wait for TIs (that may not have a clue what theyre doing) to randomly bumble around until you start to push? Is voting on a 50/50 shot a dumb move?

I mean,if TIs have nothing, and if someone isnt claiming or giving info by day 3, why wouldnt you push them?
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Re: Is VFR ever fair?

Postby Tharok » Fri Aug 09, 2019 4:10 pm

Why wouldn't I push you? People who call out randomly are always the most suspicious.
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Re: Is VFR ever fair?

Postby kyuss420 » Sat Aug 10, 2019 4:04 am

Tharok wrote:Why wouldn't I push you? People who call out randomly are always the most suspicious.


How is it random, when 5 town roles are known, and youve got better than a 50% shot at pushing on an evil?

Or late game when theres 2 mafia left and 4 people havent claimed or given any info? You just dont ask those 4 players for a role claim, or what? Wait until mafia needs 1 day to gain majority, and then mislynch?

I dont see many mafia or NKs randomly calling out tho.... perhaps mafia, if they have the numbers to vote, but even then, its not random who theyre calling out
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Re: Is VFR ever fair?

Postby Tharok » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:26 am

What are you talking about? How is it not random when you literally don't know for a fact if the person is evil?
"Better than a 50% chance" still is not 100 and still leaves you with the possibility of random lynching a town member.
Furthermore, again by your own admittance, you are describing "an optimal situation", something which is far from the norm in this game.
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Re: Is VFR ever fair?

Postby BlastingOff » Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:01 am

Tharok wrote:What are you talking about? How is it not random when you literally don't know for a fact if the person is evil?
"Better than a 50% chance" still is not 100 and still leaves you with the possibility of random lynching a town member.
Furthermore, again by your own admittance, you are describing "an optimal situation", something which is far from the norm in this game.


I wouldn't call VFRing the dude that has not even said a word yet very random
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Re: Is VFR ever fair?

Postby Tharok » Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:04 am

It does not have very much to do with the game itself and is not really based on any sort of information. That sounds random to me.
Statistically, someone who has been quiet is just as likely to be a town member as they are someone who is evil. The only evidence anyone has one way or the other is anecdotal and hardly concrete.
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Re: Is VFR ever fair?

Postby kyuss420 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:54 am

Tharok wrote:What are you talking about? How is it not random when you literally don't know for a fact if the person is evil?
"Better than a 50% chance" still is not 100 and still leaves you with the possibility of random lynching a town member.
Furthermore, again by your own admittance, you are describing "an optimal situation", something which is far from the norm in this game.


Well, its a game of deduction for town. Having 5 knowns (out of 9) puts you in an optimal position. That is the information VFR is based on. Known roles wont be pushed. If you are unknown, you are fair game for lynching at any time, especially with no will. Not claiming puts town at a disadvantage, especially when youre not that important of a role. If jailor/mayor is known and is pushing on someone, theres no reason to not vote with them.

I play every role I get to the most optimal plays i know, I never randomly target with any role, and always have a plan of 3-4 nights in advance, which can change depending on daily events.

Saying VFR isnt fair, is like saying sheriff checking someone quiet isnt fair.... or 2 sheriffs whispering each other, so they can check 2 targets in 1 night isnt fair. Or sheriff NOT checking a LO claim that gave info isnt fair. Why should i waste a night checking someone quiet, when i can force them to show a will during the day? Will is good? great! I can check 1 of the other unknowns at night... either way, a townie is dieing that night and theres 1 less vote next day
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Re: Is VFR ever fair?

Postby BasicFourLife » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:44 am

Tharok wrote:What are you talking about? How is it not random when you literally don't know for a fact if the person is evil?
"Better than a 50% chance" still is not 100 and still leaves you with the possibility of random lynching a town member.
Furthermore, again by your own admittance, you are describing "an optimal situation", something which is far from the norm in this game.

Are you fucking dumby dumb dumb, you cant rely on 100% chances not to mention putting people on stand gives you more time for the entire day. If you don’t use all 3 trials each day, you’re hard throwing as Town. Not to mention, scumreading is a thing but your brain is too dumby to comprehend.
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