Remove the god forsaken trial system

[LeGr8stMeme]

And saying something isn't a priority and shouldn't be handled is again why this system is flawed.

Not once did I say non-Coven reports shouldn't be handled. They should.

You used it as a counter argument instead of conceding and saying trial doesn't work for anything greater. And yes I do believe the judges should quit the trial system and just use its reporting generating feature and main report player forum as that filtered list is significantly better than whatever trial system can accomplish. And as you can see, most people forum report things like GT/Cheating but not harassment. Evidently how that section is completely gutted due to the change. Clearly nobody cares about harassment when game throwing is much more annoying. Racism/pedophile barely exist since pay to play. Not many people would pay 5 dollars to get banned.

[Shyyster]

other people who obsessively shut down discussion in the town... but no, that's not right... "super toxic users" here means people who are willing to express opinions that are socially unacceptable.

The first report I pulled from appeals is someone violating HS/H rules telling players to die in real life.

https://www.blankmediagames.com/Trial/v ... id=2409089

Yeah tell me how an opinion such as that is just socially unacceptable and isn't deserving of a punishment.

[LeGr8stMeme]

other people who obsessively shut down discussion in the town... but no, that's not right... "super toxic users" here means people who are willing to express opinions that are socially unacceptable.

The first report I pulled from appeals is someone violating HS/H rules telling players to die in real life.

https://www.blankmediagames.com/Trial/v ... id=2409089

Thats because trial system prioritises it? You would see that over anything else. I also didn't say it shouldn't be punished however at the end of the day its a total stranger trolling not really damning the win condition of the game. Stop being stuck in your box and getting offended by everything. Personally I've seen like 1 person saying some minor racism in like 1 month and I play quite often, its hardly apparent as you and trial system make it out to be. Hence why I believe you all are wasting your time. Additionally your claim of harassment having more reports than gamethrowing is also false, evidently how most people again only reporting GT/Cheating on forums and harassment. Most people on forum don't even report for harassment it has like 1 post a day now. This isn't some social chatting platform, its a video game.

I do think that it's ridiculous that "hate speech" is getting a major crackdown.

The text at the top of the P2P rules says that you're taking a hardline against "super toxic users", which I at first read to mean bot-like spammers and other people who obsessively shut down discussion in the town... but no, that's not right... "super toxic users" here means people who are willing to express opinions that are socially unacceptable.

It's debatable whether BMG should be doing anything about socially unacceptable opinions at all, let alone focusing on them at the expense of missing behavior that actually ruins gameplay.

Yeah very true. They really should stop using the same system they had pre pay to play as things have changed.

[Shyyster]

You used it as a counter argument instead of conceding and saying trial doesn't work for anything greater.

Just cause non-coven GTing reports don't get handled, doesn't mean other reports categories are in the same state and whole point of why I'm constantly telling you that Trial does punish people.

And yes I do believe the judges should quit the trial system and just use its reporting generating feature and main report player forum as that filtered list is significantly better than whatever trial system can accomplish.

Go ahead and talk to Judges about whether they find TS useless. Most of them will say TS might have it weak points, but is needed in the grand scheme of ToS.

And as you can see, most people forum report things like GT/Cheating but not harassment.

And how often do these reports turn out to actually be a case of GTing/cheating huh? Not very often and just reports made by players who salty they lost and came to forums to whine. That's why GTing/cheating reports no longer allowed on forums.

Racism/pedophile barely exist since pay to play. Not many people would pay 5 dollars to get banned.

Go read appeals. You will see tons of people suspended for racism or having a pedophile name. Holy shit, you're ignorant when the evidence is literally on these forums.

[LeGr8stMeme]

Racism/pedophile barely exist since pay to play. Not many people would pay 5 dollars to get banned.

Go read appeals. You will see tons of people suspended for racism or having a pedophile name. Holy shit, you're ignorant when the evidence is literally on these forums.

Appeales =/= game. As said before but you aren't reading what I said which ignorant of you. I think you should stop being a hypocrite and saying insult that mainly apply to you. Trial priorities it so of course that whats you'll first see being handled over anything despite it hardly happening in games. In the game itself GT is far more apparent - fact. And you are also wrong its not even tons of people in appeals I've just took a glance and its full of so many imo borderline harassment reports, my god it's worse than I thought.


Holy this appeal thing isn't even helping your case. All the appeals are for harassment for one, there's an appeal because someone said ' c unt", which while being guilty for filter evading didn't neccesarily ruin the game. Another report of someone saying "I'm going to get u banned", which doesn't inherently even mean to be false reporting. And another one for MINOR filter evading. Trial system is literally a lost cause.

update: There was one for posting merely a single unrelated to the game screenshot by mistake!!! LOL

Thank you shyster for showing me appeals im more convinced than ever trial emphasis not just minor harassment but picking holes on any report they can find to get someone banned.

[Shyyster]

I also didn't say it shouldn't be punished however at the end of the day its a total stranger trolling not really damning the win condition of the game.

What kind of stupid logic is this?

"HS/H is just a person trolling!"

The exact same thing can be said for gamethrowers.

Stop being stuck in your box and getting offended by everything.

Ah yes, how dare someone be offended by another player telling them to kill themselves! They should just suck it up and keep playing! /s

Let's try this for people like yourself that whine about gamethrowers.

"Why you getting mad at losing a video game? It's not real life, get over it and stop crying."

If someone said that to you, would you listen to them or get angry and report them for ruining the game for you?

Personally I've seen like 1 person saying some minor racism in like 1 month and I play quite often, its hardly apparent as you and trial system make it out to be.

LOL, it's apparent then you actually take part in the Trial System and do reports. You can check appeals and see majority of them right now are HS/H violations due to how many reports there are of it.

This isn't some social chatting platform, its a video game.

This has to be the stupidest thing you said. Most online video games punish their players for racial slurs and verbally abusing others, especially Xbox. You frequently hear more about players being banned for saying something then gamethrowing in most online games.

[LeGr8stMeme]

Wrong. There's more gamethrowing reports its been said before by a moderator. Please stop your bullshit lmao. All your name calling applies back to you. Quit wasting your time and be a twitch mod for some twitch streamer your sjw self belongs more there tbh

[Shyyster]

Appeales =/= game. As said before but you aren't reading what I said which ignorant of you. I think you should stop being a hypocrite and saying insult that mainly apply to you. Trial priorities it so of course that whats you'll first see being handled over anything despite it hardly happening in games.

2 things because at this point I'm talking to a brick wall.

1. No Trial doesn't prioritze HS/H reports over other reports. Jurors have the ability to decide which reports they want to vote on and which ones they don't, most jurors prefer HS/H reports since that category is the majority of reports in Trial.

2. If it hardly happens in games, then appeals wouldn't be filled with players being suspended over violating the HS/H rule. Just because you don't see a bunch of racism in your games, doesn't mean the rest of the community has the same experience.

You're the one who needs to get out of his box and stop being ignorant.

[Shyyster]

Wrong. There's more gamethrowing reports its been said before by a moderator. Please stop your bullshit lmao. All your name calling applies back to you. Quit wasting your time and be a twitch mod for some twitch streamer your sjw self belongs more there tbh

Post the quote by the Moderator. I'll wait.

[LeGr8stMeme]

I'm being ignorant? I showed facts. You didn't. You told me to go appeals to look at the racism? There was hardly any. Just very minor harassment reports (all of them were harassment). Gamethrowing doesn't get handled despite it completely ruining a game. This isn't some social chating platform it's a video game.

Wrong. There's more gamethrowing reports its been said before by a moderator. Please stop your bullshit lmao. All your name calling applies back to you. Quit wasting your time and be a twitch mod for some twitch streamer your sjw self belongs more there tbh

Post the quote by the Moderator. I'll wait.

I'm not going to go look that far back but it was more of a breakdown of the trial system, gamethrowing consisted of 40k open reports harassment has 12k, leaving had 2k, ... somewhere a long the line, granted this was when it was free to play. Though I believe that would increase hs not gting.

[Shyyster]

I'm not going to go look that far back but it was more of a breakdown of the trial system, gamethrowing consisted of 40k open reports harassment has 12k, leaving had 2k, ... somewhere a long the line, granted this was when it was free to play. Though I believe that would increase hs not gting.

You're spewing bullshit when you say GTing consisted of 40k open reports. Reports get closed within a month if they haven't been voted on by jurors and pushed to jurors. ToS has never been that active to the point of having 40k open reports in a category.

[LeGr8stMeme]

I'm not going to go look that far back but it was more of a breakdown of the trial system, gamethrowing consisted of 40k open reports harassment has 12k, leaving had 2k, ... somewhere a long the line, granted this was when it was free to play. Though I believe that would increase hs not gting.

You're spewing bullshit when you say GTing consisted of 40k open reports. Reports get closed within a month if they haven't been voted on by jurors and pushed to jurors. ToS has never been that active to the point of having 40k open reports in a category.

Wrong. Your claim of there being more hs report than gamethrowing is confirmed wrong. You just say things out of your mouth without truly knowing precisely how you directed me to appeal and it completely not helping your case at all. Anyways I'm going to have to agree to disagree for now since I have to go. I hope you stop wasting your time on this system where you will never have any impact and to probably get a hobby. hf

[Shyyster]

I'm not going to go look that far back but it was more of a breakdown of the trial system, gamethrowing consisted of 40k open reports harassment has 12k, leaving had 2k, ... somewhere a long the line, granted this was when it was free to play. Though I believe that would increase hs not gting.

You're spewing bullshit when you say GTing consisted of 40k open reports. Reports get closed within a month if they haven't been voted on by jurors and pushed to jurors. ToS has never been that active to the point of having 40k open reports in a category.

Wrong. Your claim of there being more hs report than gamethrowing is confirmed wrong. You just say things out of your mouth without truly knowing precisely how you directed me to appeal and it completely not helping your case at all. Anyways I'm going to have to agree to disagree for now since I have to go. I hope you stop wasting your time on this system where you will never have any impact and to probably get a hobby. hf

Literally claim that a Moderator says 40k open GTing reports, but unable to show the quote.

Yeah, you're full of bullshit and a poor troll.

[LeGr8stMeme]

Yes those number cames outta my head I obviously cant remember the exact numbers however I do remember gamethrowing being significantly more reports than harassment was. And I can say that with certainty. Why don't you ask your mod friends what the breakdown of trial system is currently I assure you gamethrowing is more. And if anyone is a bad troll its the one being close minded and using baseless insults, but didn't expect much someone from someone who wasted years using the trial system having no impact what so ever. Truly I feel bad for you.

[Shyyster]

Yes those number cames outta my head I obviously cant remember the exact numbers

Then why not say this instead of tossing out a number that is unrealistic and a long time active juror would immediately call out? This is why I called you a troll.

Why don't you ask your mod friends what the breakdown of trial system is currently I assure you gamethrowing is more.

The best authority on the numbers of reports in TS would be Turdpile and he is currently on a vacation, so even if I wanted to ask him I wouldn't be able to get in contact with him. Not that I would need to when I know for a fact by just looking at the number of reports done daily that HS/H is the majority of reports in the system.

but don't expect much someone from someone who wasted years using the trial system having no impact what so ever.

Here are a glimpse of the GTing reports I have done for this month. Notice what all of them have in common?

https://blankmediagames.com/Trial/viewR ... id=2382484
https://blankmediagames.com/Trial/viewR ... id=2381990
https://blankmediagames.com/Trial/viewR ... id=2381988
https://blankmediagames.com/Trial/viewR ... id=2381977
https://blankmediagames.com/Trial/viewR ... id=2381887
https://blankmediagames.com/Trial/viewR ... id=2380654
https://blankmediagames.com/Trial/viewR ... id=2380728
https://blankmediagames.com/Trial/viewR ... id=2382148
https://blankmediagames.com/Trial/viewR ... id=2382458
https://blankmediagames.com/Trial/viewR ... id=2382102

And hell, I bet the reports that Judges have done from me alone outweighs the amount of GTing reports they have done via the forums in this entire year.

[LeGr8stMeme]

Because I genuinely remember them saying a number like 40k but don't really wanna be quoted on a number that was from quite a while ago, but ultimately It was 100% GT being far more than HS. TS is not better than forum reports just because you can get reports expedited. You and some other people can give reports to the judges to guilty is minor compared to everyone in the game giving reports through the forum and the judges handling them. It guarentees they will get to it whereas trial system lets the reports rot. GT does not get handled otherwise. Also I've look at a few and most if not all are coven. Coven is a minority compared to the entire game itself. And again, go ask TurdPile when hes back, GT far surpasses HS in terms of reports.

[Brilliand]

other people who obsessively shut down discussion in the town... but no, that's not right... "super toxic users" here means people who are willing to express opinions that are socially unacceptable.

The first report I pulled from appeals is someone violating HS/H rules telling players to die in real life.

https://www.blankmediagames.com/Trial/v ... id=2409089

Yeah tell me how an opinion such as that is just socially unacceptable and isn't deserving of a punishment.

That is indeed a pretty horrible opinion. I know of some suicide cults, and... fortunately those who believed in them aren't around anymore. Wait, did I just say someone killing himself was a good thing? Ah, well.

In context, though, that guy wasn't trying to express support for suicide. He was trying to say the meanest thing he could think of, because he had just worked himself up into a rage. Personally I wouldn't report that guy (even if he said it to me), although I don't blame you (inclusive, I realize it wasn't you personally) for suspending him. I do, however, blame you for thinking that by suspending him, you're removing one of the worst elements of our community. This was just a legitimate player who couldn't keep his temper in check (and deserves a slap to warn him to "play nice").

[Shyyster]

Because I genuinely remember them saying a number like 40k but don't really wanna be quoted on a number that from a while ago, but ultimately It was 100% GT being far more than HS.

40k is the number of reports in total. That is where you're getting the numbers from.

TS does not outweigh the forum reports, I think because you and some other people can give reports to the judges to guilty is minor compared to everyone in the game giving reports through the forum and the judges handling them.

You want to have a bet? Go count up the number of valid forum GTing reports that have been closed for the this month up till today and I will do the same for my reports that are valid and let's see which medium is the best?

also I've look at a few and most if not all are coven.

I stated before that I strictly do GTing reports for coven, so yeah all of them will be reports from coven. I don't see that changes the fact that reports get done.

But again, go ask TurdPile when hes back, GT far surpasses HS in terms of reports.

Sure, I will.

[Shyyster]

other people who obsessively shut down discussion in the town... but no, that's not right... "super toxic users" here means people who are willing to express opinions that are socially unacceptable.

The first report I pulled from appeals is someone violating HS/H rules telling players to die in real life.

https://www.blankmediagames.com/Trial/v ... id=2409089

Yeah tell me how an opinion such as that is just socially unacceptable and isn't deserving of a punishment.

That is indeed a pretty horrible opinion. I know of some suicide cults, and... fortunately those who believed in them aren't around anymore. Wait, did I just say someone killing himself was a good thing? Ah, well.

In context, though, that guy wasn't trying to express support for suicide. He was trying to say the meanest thing he could think of, because he had just worked himself up into a rage. Personally I wouldn't report that guy (even if he said it to me), although I don't blame you (inclusive, I realize it wasn't you personally) for suspending him. I do, however, blame you for thinking that by suspending him, you're removing one of the worst elements of our community. This was just a legitimate player who couldn't keep his temper in check (and deserves a slap to warn him to "play nice").

A few things

1. The person isn't permaban. He is currently suspended for 72H and will be able to play again.

2. You can excuse or rationalize this guy's behavior however you want, but telling someone to kill themselves over a video game is one of the most horriblest things you can tell someone when you don't know their mental state of mind and does qualify as labeling someone one of the worst elements of a community. You can disagree with me, but majority of folks would most likely agree with me.

[Sonicle]

I don't really agree that harassment should be more of a focus than game-throwing. I got fed up myself once upon a time and started posting game-throwing reports before. Its nice having to know someone will eventually look at it.

[LeGr8stMeme]

You want to have a bet? Go count up the number of valid forum GTing reports that have been closed for the this month up till today and I will do the same for my reports that are valid and let's see which medium is the best?

I'd love to, not that I don't believe you but curious myself, but I truly don't have the time. I read some forum reports if you back to pre-new change most of the GT ones were valid/handled. Ultimately at the end of the day reports have go through 20 days to never is unreasonable with this system. Someone can throw games for 20 days straight until they get their justice.

[Shyyster]

Ultimately at the end of the day reports have go through 20 days to never is unreasonable. Someone can throw games for 20 days straight until they get their justice.

You talking about before the rule change? F2P rules were better and actually punished for rulebreaking that majority of community wanted, like vet claiming jailor and alerting and not claiming on stand, which has changed with the move to P2P.

Ultimately at the end of the day reports have go through 20 days to never is unreasonable. Someone can throw games for 20 days straight until they get their justice.

Yeah it's unreasonable, but nothing can be done about the state of Trial System accept more jurors joining and voting on reports they deem fit such as GTing or maybe with the upgrade of Trial System that is coming,.

[MysticMismagius]

Ultimately at the end of the day reports have go through 20 days to never is unreasonable. Someone can throw games for 20 days straight until they get their justice.

You talking about before the rule change? F2P rules were better and actually punished for rulebreaking that majority of community wanted, like vet claiming jailor and alerting and not claiming on stand, which has changed with the move to P2P.

Ultimately at the end of the day reports have go through 20 days to never is unreasonable. Someone can throw games for 20 days straight until they get their justice.

Yeah it's unreasonable, but nothing can be done about the state of Trial System accept more jurors joining and voting on reports they deem fit such as GTing or maybe with the upgrade of Trial System that is coming,.

Another thing that would help improve the state of Trial would be reworking the rules (and other things regarding the Trial System) so that reports feel less "useless" to the average player. More people are going to vote on reports if they feel like it's meaningful to do so, and with certain aspects of Trial System that sense of meaningfulness is greatly reduced.
Not that reports are useless, but when people say they are, I often see others believe them or at least start to doubt the effectiveness of reports. This is a problem because if the idea that reports are useless becomes prevalent enough, it will create a vicious cycle in which reports actually become useless because nobody will vote on them.

[Brilliand]

Cheating reports do seem to be pretty much useless, since with the current state of the rules, those can only be guiltied in the very simplest of cases (basically just direct admissions).

Gamethrowing reports unfortunately have a reverse problem, in which many players will call not following the meta or simply playing poorly "gamethrowing". This also leads to the perception that reports are useless, but it's the the people making the reports that need to be corrected in this case.

[SantanaTheSmall]

I think everyone can agree that telling someone to die irl is going too far.

However, there are many instances where I believe speech not nearly as bad as gamethrowing. I have schizophrenia and attempted suicide three times.

Someone made a post on Reddit calling for a player to be banned because the player half joked about the Youtuber’s means of dying (saying something like “water doesn’t protect fall damage”).

I couldn’t care less about that, and I couldn’t care less if someone joked about my death in such a way. I get told to take my meds all the time in this game and I don’t report them because that’s silly.

Would those two instances be considered HS/H?