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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby Descender » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:41 pm

dota2reporter wrote:
Flake wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Flake wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Flake wrote:Eragon is probably town for not playing the game honestly

This is false on multiple levels

i don't care mafia

no u

here we see an awkward wolf pretending to not care that today's lynch is converging to them

wasn't i as awkward when got pushed early d1?

LAMIST
Flake wrote:
Helicooler wrote:
Flake wrote:
watchme1 wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
fwogcarf wrote:
TheDebil wrote:@fwog
ever played with watchme?

No

how does he know your meta


I don't. I said why bother trying to analyse him as he's hard af to read. He's just different

how do you know he is hard to read
they're playing a game with them
what are you going for here

stop
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby Descender » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:49 pm

conclusion-

watchme wagon shouldn't exist, it isnt enough to work off of and it doesnt really make them scum. Chemist wagon shouldnt be a thing d1 with chemist being quite a neutral figure rn. flake, wabbit, eragon, they are all people i would consider but its a bit later for it. However, i might as well try
/vote Eragon

Flake wrote:
Helicooler wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Flake wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Flake wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Flake wrote:Eragon is probably town for not playing the game honestly

This is false on multiple levels

i don't care mafia

no u

here we see an awkward wolf pretending to not care that today's lynch is converging to them

wasn't i as awkward when got pushed early d1?

LAMIST

at face value that is the opposite of lamist
if you take it as 'I am town and i was awkward when being pushed" its lamist. if you take it as a scum confirming a scum team with another scum you should rethink
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby Descender » Tue Jun 11, 2019 4:01 pm

Flake wrote:
Helicooler wrote:
Flake wrote:
Helicooler wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Flake wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Flake wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Flake wrote:Eragon is probably town for not playing the game honestly

This is false on multiple levels

i don't care mafia

no u

here we see an awkward wolf pretending to not care that today's lynch is converging to them

wasn't i as awkward when got pushed early d1?

LAMIST

at face value that is the opposite of lamist
if you take it as 'I am town and i was awkward when being pushed" its lamist. if you take it as a scum confirming a scum team with another scum you should rethink

Or maybe you can take it as "why am I not being scum read now for being awkward if chemist is"

Why would I think of your latter option

with the way you've been acting this game i wouldn't be suprised
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby Descender » Tue Jun 11, 2019 4:14 pm

Flake wrote:
Helicooler wrote:
Flake wrote:
Helicooler wrote:
Flake wrote:
Helicooler wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:wasn't i as awkward when got pushed early d1?

LAMIST

at face value that is the opposite of lamist
if you take it as 'I am town and i was awkward when being pushed" its lamist. if you take it as a scum confirming a scum team with another scum you should rethink

Or maybe you can take it as "why am I not being scum read now for being awkward if chemist is"

Why would I think of your latter option

with the way you've been acting this game i wouldn't be suprised

there's a difference between pushing things with at least some merit to the argument to garner a certain type of reaction and pushing something which literally does not make any sense at all in any world

at least you're self aware.
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby xUltiix » Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:38 pm

TheDebil wrote: Spoiler:
xUltiix wrote:2) Due to trial and error I'm deciding these reads are all mostly based off the second half of ISOs to avoid things that no longer apply messing with my reads.

please dont do that

xUltiix wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
TheDebil wrote:i dont agree with the chemist read
i as town shit my pants more about being scumread than anything else

chemists push seems entirely normal to me and for early game thare is enough reason to make it
what is suspicious is chemists memephase talk, atleast to me

Bringing something up but not elaborating, not the behavior of someone who wants to further gamestate which town should be doing.

i bring something up that i elaborated on before - chemist's memephase talk. i think not bringing up what i mean would actually further the gamestate even more, as the question would be "what do you mean"? im just defending chemist against the point of his push being bad here and it being the reason that he is scum.
TheDebil wrote:
MrChuckleteeth wrote:Debil why do you think helicooler is scummy?

stated my initial reasoning but now i changed my mind
page 1 heli and chemsit interactions feel like they are both scum mirroring eachother and trying to pocket other people from helis server. then heli gives up and votes chemist for distance
its a bit far fetched but very likely.imo


xUltiix wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:i actually agree with a lot of stuff chuckle is saying, he's definetely locktown and biggest content maker rn

content is nai

Fencesitting. Generally, stating something like this without saying what you think of it means you want to push a read in one direction without stating an opinion. Bad because scum want to avoid holding opinions as much as they can.

locktowning someone just because they are producing content is not a good idea, so im notifying dota here that scum can also produce good content as much as town can
i dont see how clearly saying "content is nai" to combat the locktown is fencesitting
xUltiix wrote:Then some irrelevancy
TheDebil:
TheDebil wrote:
Flake wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Flake wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Flake wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:@Flake uhh ok
what do you think about the people that jumped on?

probably 1 wolf within them

yep. i agree

one of chemist/heli/jord is scum

i'm betting it's heli

more like chemist/jord

why do you townread heli?

i don't like her d1 attitude, and even if that's a part of the personality, which i respect, heli should just knock it off

17D similarity

he is being very blunt

he seems to always be blunt tho???

more fencesitting for the same reason as above.

and again its not fencesitting for the similar reason as above. flake is townreading heli for a weak reason that isnt even ai, so im pointing the fact that they are always blunt regardless of allignment to them
xUltiix wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
TheDebil wrote:flake/qva/chemist/woahah

explain flake?

mostly gut
didnt like the way they defend qva and woahah tho
it would be too easy tho so not strong

TheDebil wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Helicooler wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:i dare you to explain them, Heli

then dare

are you gonna keep ignoring my request?
do i need to say please?

@Debil what was wrong about the qva and Heli defenses

cant put my finger on it thats why i said mostly gut

Reads dont contain anything specific besides gut, therefore making for empty reads. Not inherently scummy, but the main reasons for doing this is either playing scum badly or being lazy.

well yeah my reads arent gonna be great because i read the game only one time
this is why i gave myself the job to iso dive so i can get stronger reads
xUltiix wrote:
TheDebil wrote:why am i town now and why is wabbit in poe
bruh

Flake wrote:
TheDebil wrote:flake/qva/chemist/woahah

read mafia game in vfm50

then read my iso here

then try to genuinely tell me that i ever flip wolf

also if you think i am ever wolf with qva you are stupid

havent read it but ill assume you say its different
you act like you couldnt change your game.if you were scum
you are good enough for that

and yes dota is town from the vc i can agree with this now
all of the votes on him are pretty unnoticable but they are piling up. only 3 votes but i dont think pure at all

The rest is alright but the second part is bad. It's more of the fencesitty type behavior but with extra. "I dont think the wagon is pure" with no followup on who he means and no pushing of it is fencesitting.

i dont think something is fencesitting when im showing a clear distaste for something, clearly townreading dota there and saying the wagon on him is bad and most likely has scum, if not multiple on it, pointing toward chemist/heli who i have stated as my scumreads earlier
xUltiix wrote:
TheDebil wrote:qva/dota is TvS

I really dont like this without any explanation, because again it allows setting up pushes without being attached to them. Town shouldn't mind holding hard opinions, scum should.

my post here is pointing out that qva and dota couldnt be scum together, probably should have explained this better. i improve later on. i dislike both so i cant put them at tvt.

xUltiix wrote:A lot of posts are made, but not a whole lot of game furthering content and zero pushing to be found. A lot of it is also seeming game content that isn't actually furthering because it isn't backed. A lot of fencesitty behavior and avoiding being attached to opinions or pushing. Very passive. As well as these, I get a bad gut vibe from the posts and feel like he's playing from a scum perspective. While some fencesitting and bringing up irrelevant things is okay, it feels like it's a majority of debils' play here.

i can agree i havent done much yet, mainly because im waiting the game to simmer down a little so i can do more detailed reads without falling behind on whats going down at the moment,because i take a long ass time to do anything that takes effort. a lot of the posts of mine you quoted you call fencesitty are my clear opinions misunderstood or not expanded upon further,but i will admit some of them are not fully explained because im being lazy and assume people can understand what im talking about/want them to look into something for themselves
with the bolded thing, what do you mean?

Bad gut vibe means I have a gut read on you as scum and feel like you're playing from a scum perspective means it seems like your intentions and actions push things that scum want to happen
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby xUltiix » Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:49 pm

Responses to all your responses in chronological order of what you wrote
1) Why?
2) not elaborating doesn't further gamestate more than elaborating. making people ask questions that should have been answered in the op does the exact opposite and hinders it.
3) the logic is established whether you agree or not, the example is fencesitting
4) same as 3
5) you can have this one
6) that's completely not what my point was
7) also not what my point was
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby S0me0ne23 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:10 pm

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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby Eragon1329 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:12 pm

Hewwo I’m back

For a short period of time

But ama
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby fwogcarf » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:18 pm

Eragon1329 wrote:Hewwo I’m back

For a short period of time

But ama

Thoughts on watchme wagon?
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby Eragon1329 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:23 pm

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Flake wrote:
Eragon1329 wrote:
S0me0ne23 wrote:
Eragon1329 wrote:Pog


I’m busy for the next while

Hopefully be back today

I'm not resetting your prod timer for this.


I know

do you think chem is wolf


I dont know

fwogcarf wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Helicooler wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
fwogcarf wrote:/vote Chemist

Sheep

/vote Chemist

Sheep without expectations of anything higher

Then don't make us scumread you


this should die

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Flake wrote:Eragon is probably town for not playing the game honestly

nah


nah

fwogcarf wrote:I just noticed wabbit has a flair for mafia :think:


good for you eh?
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby Eragon1329 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:33 pm

MrChuckleteeth wrote:I'm losing interest in this game.


story of life

Flake wrote:
Helicooler wrote:
Flake wrote:google says non is mafia

wat

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flake scum for using confirmable randomness

uwu

Dash2 wrote:This watchme wagon ain't pure


agree
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby Eragon1329 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:33 pm

fwogcarf wrote:
Eragon1329 wrote:Hewwo I’m back

For a short period of time

But ama

Thoughts on watchme wagon?


bad
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby MrChuckleteeth » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:53 pm

I have my own reasons for voting watchme.

I don't feel as if I need to change my vote at the moment.

So as bad as the wagon may look I'm keeping my vote there.
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby MrChuckleteeth » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:54 pm

Also I've written down a few players for future WotC reference.

Play the game or don't sign up.
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby fwogcarf » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:08 pm

MrChuckleteeth wrote:Also I've written down a few players for future WotC reference.

Play the game or don't sign up.

Didn't you say moments ago that you had "losing interest" in this game?
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby MrChuckleteeth » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:09 pm

fwogcarf wrote:
MrChuckleteeth wrote:Also I've written down a few players for future WotC reference.

Play the game or don't sign up.

Didn't you say moments ago that you had "losing interest" in this game?


Did you ever wonder why I would say that?
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby watchme1 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:28 pm

Making a phone post right now in case someone decides to hammer me.

When did i ever once say i knew how fwog played? If i did please quote it word for word, if i recall all i said was that you can't analyse him because his attitude as everyone else said screams defeat. And even if i did, it's not AI at all knowing how i read just one person. So for people wagoning on me just cause of it need to present alternative reasons.

Also flake my vote was rngd at the start of the day, but over time i concluded that i scum read Wabbit which is why the vote stays on him.

Some of the reasons i scum read chuckle weren't the best i agree but doesn't it seem a little strange to be just based of that?

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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby TheWabbit » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:57 pm

Dash2 wrote:
fwogcarf wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Helicooler wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
fwogcarf wrote:/vote Chemist

Sheep

/vote Chemist

Sheep without expectations of anything higher

Then don't make us scumread you

this is scum

already mentioned he's TWTBAW but okay
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby TheWabbit » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:59 pm

Helicooler wrote:
Flake wrote:
dota2reporter wrote:
Flake wrote:Town pool

{Flake, TheDebil, dota, Qva, Dash2, MrChuckle}

but these are literally the 6 most active people

pretty sure wabbit and heli have more posts than some of these

but yes i think a large chunk of the actives are town

me and wabbit are people who dont clump posts and rapid fire, it makes sense
but this is flawed and a ~ns imo

well yeah we're pretty impulsive when it comes to replying to posts
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby TheWabbit » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:00 pm

Dash2 wrote:This watchme wagon ain't pure

right after people cornered chemist

yes
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:31 pm

The lynch pool for me d1 is watchme, fwog and non. Idk if I can sell people on a non lynch but I am having some misgivings about the watchme wagon now... also I think if watchme flips town it is highly likely chemist flips scum because the counterwagon of chemist was perfectly timed to put a halt on the watchme wagon.
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby MrChuckleteeth » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:36 pm

GrumpyGoomba wrote:The lynch pool for me d1 is watchme, fwog and non. Idk if I can sell people on a non lynch but I am having some misgivings about the watchme wagon now... also I think if watchme flips town it is highly likely chemist flips scum because the counterwagon of chemist was perfectly timed to put a halt on the watchme wagon.


You'd rather lynch non and fwog over Chemist?

My lynch pool at the moment is watchme and Chemist.
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby MrChuckleteeth » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:37 pm

/vote unvote

I don't want to wake up to a hammered watchme before I can take a good look at the game again.
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:16 am

I do find chemist scummy, but lynching watchme would resolve chemist imo. Fwog and non kinda went under radar due to the lead wagons which pinged me weirdly.
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Re: VFM51 | Discord | Day 1

Postby TheWabbit » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:21 am

/vote Chemist1422

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