VFM 49: SK win #rekt

[GrumpyGoomba]

Alright so here we go.


My first culprit is Chemist

Dead Town Interactions:
Crimson:

Yeah I haven't liked Crimson's defense

It's not flaily per se, just like they're only invested in defending themselves and not solving

Well yeah, it's a defense. What do you think about my points?

I have been trying to figure out who of the people pushing me is scum. Chemist seems very quick to dismiss any argument i make instead of telling me why they're bad. I honestly feel like they were just looking for an excuse to vote me.

Dead Mafia Interactions:
Uzay

Chemist you're seriously not helping your case

I'm trying, okay?

You're saying I faked the slip knowingly and actually slipped because I knew it would be fake, but I explained what actually happened. If you're not refuting that you can't push me based on the slip.

Wait What This is completely wrong .
If You are Okay with Flake TR ing You with your slip
But not aggreeing with Dash SR ing You with your flip
Than This is LAMIST
Which is FoS
Due You not keeping your original opinion ( Slip was NAI )
Happily take The cred from Flake
But refusing SRs
Actually This deserves A vote
But I Will Wait for your explanation

Additional Thoughts:
This is most probable to be the Serial Killer.



Next my second Culprit is GrumpyGoomba

Dead Town Interactions:

Dash2

I am most definitely not liking this response. My eyes are on you dash.

You literally said this one thing then nothing else and call it a reaction test?

That bit about you softing cit and discussing the plan also looks forced and awkward. I'm not taking that

Anyways I will leave my vote on my strongest scumread for now.
/Vote Cupcake

Goomba and cupcake are not s/s

Heavy doubt

Okay I have finally caught up with the thread. Did a cop check on me succeed? If not then don't claim. See people think that I am the sk. If I was the sk then

nice rolefish. We literally established yesterday SK can choose to be cop immune

Mafia Interaction:
Uzay

I hope that through some magical luck the cop check is on me and it succeeds and I am hopefully cleared.

Even without SK may be immune to This , directing cop to one target , or want to checked by cop is bad .

Anyways I will leave my vote on my strongest scumread for now.
/Vote Cupcake

Goomba and cupcake are not s/s

Tend to agree, but I Will prefer to say "probably not M/m"

Additional Thoughts: This is Probably the last Mafia


My last Culprit is TheDebil or Ejji

Not as strong with this one and couldn’t find anything that was off to me but definitely 2 Participants to consider.
However I’m leaning more Ejji.

Ejji and Cupcake Interactions.

Hmmmm

Let's look at more ISOs.

just read the damn game, please.

I did.

And everybody said everything I was going to say.

Yass

Ejji is suspicious for distancing

Furthermore, /Vote GrumpyGoomba

Haha yeah no. I had hopes for you after the zucker fiasco but you dashed them. Sigh. You did nothing but pick up some choice posts on all three of your 'culprits' that make them look scummy. Congratulations, you have just invented multi-tunnelling.

[Chemist1422]

This is weak analysis because it doesn’t explain anything

So Interactions towards others doesn’t explain anything?
Well how about I make things a bit more understandable for you then.
At the start of Day 1 Cupcake voted for Uzay.
Later I noticed that GrumpyGoomba casually votes for Cupcake and I also noticed Cupcake calling Ejji scummy at last Minute.
Furthermore I definitely can tell the last Mafia is in GG/Ejji.
If you disagree with me Chemist then please give me your thoughts on the matter.

That’s the what

Explain the how

[Kreaal]

Alright so here we go.


My first culprit is Chemist

Dead Town Interactions:
Crimson:

Yeah I haven't liked Crimson's defense

It's not flaily per se, just like they're only invested in defending themselves and not solving

Well yeah, it's a defense. What do you think about my points?

I have been trying to figure out who of the people pushing me is scum. Chemist seems very quick to dismiss any argument i make instead of telling me why they're bad. I honestly feel like they were just looking for an excuse to vote me.

Dead Mafia Interactions:
Uzay

Chemist you're seriously not helping your case

I'm trying, okay?

You're saying I faked the slip knowingly and actually slipped because I knew it would be fake, but I explained what actually happened. If you're not refuting that you can't push me based on the slip.

Wait What This is completely wrong .
If You are Okay with Flake TR ing You with your slip
But not aggreeing with Dash SR ing You with your flip
Than This is LAMIST
Which is FoS
Due You not keeping your original opinion ( Slip was NAI )
Happily take The cred from Flake
But refusing SRs
Actually This deserves A vote
But I Will Wait for your explanation

Additional Thoughts:
This is most probable to be the Serial Killer.



Next my second Culprit is GrumpyGoomba

Dead Town Interactions:

Dash2

I am most definitely not liking this response. My eyes are on you dash.

You literally said this one thing then nothing else and call it a reaction test?

That bit about you softing cit and discussing the plan also looks forced and awkward. I'm not taking that

Anyways I will leave my vote on my strongest scumread for now.
/Vote Cupcake

Goomba and cupcake are not s/s

Heavy doubt

Okay I have finally caught up with the thread. Did a cop check on me succeed? If not then don't claim. See people think that I am the sk. If I was the sk then

nice rolefish. We literally established yesterday SK can choose to be cop immune

Mafia Interaction:
Uzay

I hope that through some magical luck the cop check is on me and it succeeds and I am hopefully cleared.

Even without SK may be immune to This , directing cop to one target , or want to checked by cop is bad .

Anyways I will leave my vote on my strongest scumread for now.
/Vote Cupcake

Goomba and cupcake are not s/s

Tend to agree, but I Will prefer to say "probably not M/m"

Additional Thoughts: This is Probably the last Mafia


My last Culprit is TheDebil or Ejji

Not as strong with this one and couldn’t find anything that was off to me but definitely 2 Participants to consider.
However I’m leaning more Ejji.

Ejji and Cupcake Interactions.

Hmmmm

Let's look at more ISOs.

just read the damn game, please.

I did.

And everybody said everything I was going to say.

Yass

Ejji is suspicious for distancing

Furthermore, /Vote GrumpyGoomba

Haha yeah no. I had hopes for you after the zucker fiasco but you dashed them. Sigh. You did nothing but pick up some choice posts on all three of your 'culprits' that make them look scummy. Congratulations, you have just invented multi-tunnelling.

As I said before I was going to be picking 3 Culprits that I find the most scummy.
As such I found posts to prove my point further. Why would I ever consider showing Town posts that discredit the point?
Anyway can act townie but it’s the Interactions and Scum vibes that are truly important at this point of the game.
Also not to mention at this point you don’t want to PL. you want to actually find the 2 remaining scum and get rid of them.

[GrumpyGoomba]

Indeed. Then go find actually scum instead of painting people as scum.

[Kreaal]

This is weak analysis because it doesn’t explain anything

So Interactions towards others doesn’t explain anything?
Well how about I make things a bit more understandable for you then.
At the start of Day 1 Cupcake voted for Uzay.
Later I noticed that GrumpyGoomba casually votes for Cupcake and I also noticed Cupcake calling Ejji scummy at last Minute.
Furthermore I definitely can tell the last Mafia is in GG/Ejji.
If you disagree with me Chemist then please give me your thoughts on the matter.

That’s the what

Explain the how

How do Interactions explain stuff? Really Chemist?
As Town I don’t believe you to say stuff so dull but anyway I’ll answer your obvious question.
Interactions help town gather information that impacts the remaining scum.
With the Interactions it allows people to see who the Scum are by simply looking on how they treat the dead Town/Mafia.
There are many ways to figure out as to why it’s the case.
Without calling out Interactions this late into the game is signing a contract with the Death.
In order to truly determine as to who the last 2 Scum are you need to view other Confirmed participants and compare and look at reactions to determine the and And offs.

[Kreaal]

Indeed. Then go find actually scum instead of painting people as scum.

You seem awfully fast to defend yourself there.
So you don’t think You or Ejji is Scum? Or were you just defending yourself there?
I looked at everyone’s ISO and found the biggest reactions.
Nothing Rick has done was scummy.
Nothing Qva has done was scummy.

It was you and Ejji that really stroke me when reading the ISO’s.

[GrumpyGoomba]

Ofcourse I would defend myself when attacked such substanceless accusations. Not only myself but all three that you have deemed as culprits you have done nothing but posted what the dead players have commented on them out of which half of those have already resolved.
You are just Zucker but wordier. Ejji and chemist both have potential to be scum, but the way you attack both them and me leaves much to be desired.

[Chemist1422]

This is weak analysis because it doesn’t explain anything

So Interactions towards others doesn’t explain anything?
Well how about I make things a bit more understandable for you then.
At the start of Day 1 Cupcake voted for Uzay.
Later I noticed that GrumpyGoomba casually votes for Cupcake and I also noticed Cupcake calling Ejji scummy at last Minute.
Furthermore I definitely can tell the last Mafia is in GG/Ejji.
If you disagree with me Chemist then please give me your thoughts on the matter.

That’s the what

Explain the how

How do Interactions explain stuff? Really Chemist?
As Town I don’t believe you to say stuff so dull but anyway I’ll answer your obvious question.
Interactions help town gather information that impacts the remaining scum.
With the Interactions it allows people to see who the Scum are by simply looking on how they treat the dead Town/Mafia.
There are many ways to figure out as to why it’s the case.
Without calling out Interactions this late into the game is signing a contract with the Death.
In order to truly determine as to who the last 2 Scum are you need to view other Confirmed participants and compare and look at reactions to determine the and And offs.

Just give at least a basic explanation like “X voted Y at a time that the vote was unnecessary so it was likely a bus” for example

[GrumpyGoomba]

You can't just bloody slap some quotes on your wall and then expect them to somehow explain what you want. Take each and every single one of the quotes that you have posted and explain how they make the ones you accused look scummy, because from what I can see you are just manipulating TvT interactions to appear TvS in case of dead towns and the dead mafia quotes don't even make any sense.

[GrumpyGoomba]

This is weak analysis because it doesn’t explain anything

So Interactions towards others doesn’t explain anything?
Well how about I make things a bit more understandable for you then.
At the start of Day 1 Cupcake voted for Uzay.
Later I noticed that GrumpyGoomba casually votes for Cupcake and I also noticed Cupcake calling Ejji scummy at last Minute.
Furthermore I definitely can tell the last Mafia is in GG/Ejji.
If you disagree with me Chemist then please give me your thoughts on the matter.

That’s the what

Explain the how

How do Interactions explain stuff? Really Chemist?
As Town I don’t believe you to say stuff so dull but anyway I’ll answer your obvious question.
Interactions help town gather information that impacts the remaining scum.
With the Interactions it allows people to see who the Scum are by simply looking on how they treat the dead Town/Mafia.
There are many ways to figure out as to why it’s the case.
Without calling out Interactions this late into the game is signing a contract with the Death.
In order to truly determine as to who the last 2 Scum are you need to view other Confirmed participants and compare and look at reactions to determine the and And offs.

REALLY?! I provided a whole fking readlist that I believe I have explained sufficiently enough and I came to the conclusion that cupcake was my highest scumread. I think it is a lot more that 'casual' voting.

[TheDebil]

alright im finally getting to the game pls wait several hours

[Seththeking]

Ok so I just had this whole thing and I just deleted it so I don’t want to do that all over again.
Anyway, Ejji made good points of GG being lamist and GrumpyGoomba Voted for Cupcake after they were outted and said something very odd before it but I can’t remember what it was.
But you know what guys. ISO Both Ejji And GG your darn selfs and you will see what I mean stop being like chemist and trying to get others to answer and actually ISO yourself.

[Chemist1422]

Okay firstly wrong account

Secondly it’s your read, not mine

[GrumpyGoomba]

Ok so I just had this whole thing and I just deleted it so I don’t want to do that all over again.
Anyway, Ejji made good points of GG being lamist and GrumpyGoomba Voted for Cupcake after they were outted and said something very odd before it but I can’t remember what it was.
But you know what guys. ISO Both Ejji And GG your darn selfs and you will see what I mean stop being like chemist and trying to get others to answer and actually ISO yourself.

Oi. You are supposed to explain your reads, not us. And when tf was I lamist.

[TheDebil]

alright im finally getting to the game pls wait several hours

just reached page 10 pog
i am speed
so guys i see you pressuring grumpy here and i have come with my early game reads
i have a question:
yall have any specific allignment in mind, or do you just think grumpy is scummy in general?

[GrumpyGoomba]

People were coming up with ideas that I am the sk at that point xD

[TheDebil]

People were coming up with ideas that I am the sk at that point xD

ok i dont mind it then
i have reasons to believe you are not mafia but sk is fair game

[ejjinami]

zuck and kreaal are the same person

Well, I thought so previously, but is it a revealed alt?

[GrumpyGoomba]

Mhmm, it's a revealed alt.

[ejjinami]

Alright so here we go.

My first culprit is Chemist

Dead Town Interactions:
Crimson: Spoiler:

Yeah I haven't liked Crimson's defense

It's not flaily per se, just like they're only invested in defending themselves and not solving

Well yeah, it's a defense. What do you think about my points?

I have been trying to figure out who of the people pushing me is scum. Chemist seems very quick to dismiss any argument i make instead of telling me why they're bad. I honestly feel like they were just looking for an excuse to vote me.

Dead Mafia Interactions:
Uzay Spoiler:

Chemist you're seriously not helping your case

I'm trying, okay?

You're saying I faked the slip knowingly and actually slipped because I knew it would be fake, but I explained what actually happened. If you're not refuting that you can't push me based on the slip.

Wait What This is completely wrong .
If You are Okay with Flake TR ing You with your slip
But not aggreeing with Dash SR ing You with your flip
Than This is LAMIST
Which is FoS
Due You not keeping your original opinion ( Slip was NAI )
Happily take The cred from Flake
But refusing SRs
Actually This deserves A vote
But I Will Wait for your explanation

Additional Thoughts:
This is most probable to be the Serial Killer.

Next my second Culprit is GrumpyGoomba

Dead Town Interactions:

Dash2 Spoiler:

I am most definitely not liking this response. My eyes are on you dash.

You literally said this one thing then nothing else and call it a reaction test?

That bit about you softing cit and discussing the plan also looks forced and awkward. I'm not taking that

Anyways I will leave my vote on my strongest scumread for now.
/Vote Cupcake

Goomba and cupcake are not s/s

Heavy doubt

Okay I have finally caught up with the thread. Did a cop check on me succeed? If not then don't claim. See people think that I am the sk. If I was the sk then

nice rolefish. We literally established yesterday SK can choose to be cop immune

Mafia Interaction:
Uzay Spoiler:

I hope that through some magical luck the cop check is on me and it succeeds and I am hopefully cleared.

8-)
Even without SK may be immune to This , directing cop to one target , or want to checked by cop is bad .

Anyways I will leave my vote on my strongest scumread for now.
/Vote Cupcake

Goomba and cupcake are not s/s

Tend to agree, but I Will prefer to say "probably not M/m"

Additional Thoughts: This is Probably the last Mafia

Ok, 1. why don’t you like the posts you quoted? How do they make them mafia or SK?

2. Grumpy voted cupcake twice. First time D1, just after SRing you and Cup with the same strength (in their read-list) and the 2’nd time D2, BEFORE Dash claimed cop and before there was any pressure to bus.
Yes, the votes might have looked random, but that should be even more indicative of it NOT being a bus.
Scum don’t tend to vote their scummates without a reason often. It’s unlikely to see them bus randomly, without any pressure, especially since the very start of the game. It just makes no sense.

And if scum, why do you think they haven’t voted for you? Quite a bit of people were SRing you at the time and nearly no one (except for dash) was SRing Cup, so IF grumpy was MvM with them, they could have just pushed an easy ML without any consequences.

And I really doubt Grump was trying to aim for “towncreed” because of the lack of explanations and lack of them interacting/pushing cupcake (especially D2).
They just left their vote and let cup get lynched on their own, which I really doubt should come from someone who’s trying to get TRd afterward.

3. Do you think Chemist should be more likely to forget about Dash’s townslip as town or scum?

[ejjinami]

Mhmm, it's a revealed alt.

crap
was it revealed before he replaced in or just now?

[ejjinami]

or actually, wait, @Seth, why did you replace out?

[ejjinami]

My last Culprit is TheDebil or Ejji

Not as strong with this one and couldn’t find anything that was off to me but definitely 2 Participants to consider.
However I’m leaning more Ejji.

Ejji and Cupcake Interactions. Spoiler:

Hmmmm

Let's look at more ISOs.

just read the damn game, please.

I did.

And everybody said everything I was going to say.

Yass

Ejji is suspicious for distancing

Furthermore, /Vote GrumpyGoomba

4. Why is tfio town?
I have already said that, but I think they’re very likely to be scum here (most probably mafia). Chemist has slipped as not-mafia, Grumpy’s votes on cupcake are really unlikely to come from SvS and I’m TRing the other players (especially you and Qvap) more than tfio.

Besides, tfio’s interactions with cup are terrible. Their only read on cup was the wishy-washy one D1 and the way they pushed both crimson and Cupcake at the same time, felt like they might have been simply too afraid to distance from cup, but too afraid to TR him either.
It’s really likely to be MvM imo.

[ejjinami]

Later I noticed that GrumpyGoomba casually votes for Cupcake and I also noticed Cupcake calling Ejji scummy at last Minute.
Furthermore I definitely can tell the last Mafia is in GG/Ejji.

Cupcake calling me scummy "for distancing" was shade. If you look at his posts, all of the ones he wrote after Dash's cop-claim are just shade on “probably townie" players.
He was intentionally trying to create bad interactions.

He called me scummy “for distancing”. That’s wifom as well and I have no way to prove he didn’t actually do that, but I feel that if he actually believed that people might start reading each other based on his posts, him incriminating his actual teammate, by claiming scum with them “in a serious post” and then distancing, would have been rather ballsy.

Just don’t read anyone based on anything he said there. He was obviously trying to frame the other players before his death, so making arguments based on it is risky.

[ejjinami]

Ok, it might be a bit hypocritical coming from me, but don’t bully seth. Those are still prob the most reasonable reads he’s given since the start of the game and it’s not like they can be perfect from the very start. It wouldn’t be a stretch to say that he’s just as uninformed as Debil because of all that tunneling, so maybe it might be worth to actually talk instead of just shitting on them.