VFM 49: SK win #rekt

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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Flake » Thu May 16, 2019 9:42 pm

Chemist1422 wrote:Not gonna lie if not for Dash and Rick I'd have already noped out of thread, but now I have something to prove

So I'm staying here until I go to sleep

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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Chemist1422 » Thu May 16, 2019 9:47 pm

Flake wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:Not gonna lie if not for Dash and Rick I'd have already noped out of thread, but now I have something to prove

So I'm staying here until I go to sleep

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no

I'm tired tho and am not at full thonking capacity
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby tfiosforevah » Thu May 16, 2019 10:24 pm

really tired rn, but here's what i got from quickly skimming the thread (will properly read over tomorrow)
i don't believe flake and chemist are the same alignment. their interactions don't seem overly forced or scripted like a maf chat, and i just can't believe that both of them are town

zucker is being more useful than they normally are, which either means they're getting much better or someones coaching them

i'll have to read into how people are thinking rick and eiji are scum, i didn't initially scumread them so i want to analyze people who did and why

side note i really hope vig was not the one who

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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Thu May 16, 2019 11:14 pm

How the fuck does someone saying someone is lock town make them a scum team? That's like the most obvious of plays that one could possibly make. Zucker's reasoning is absolute bs.

Now that crimson has flipped cit I am even more certain that cupcake is scum.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Thu May 16, 2019 11:38 pm

Okay I have finally caught up with the thread. Did a cop check on me succeed? If not then don't claim. See people think that I am the sk. If I was the sk then :-
1. I would be immune to mafia kills, that would make it so that cop can find me. Why would I want that to happen to me actively?
2. I would be immune to vig/cop. That would make it so that I am literally announcing to the mafia that I am not immune to them by wanting a cop check on me, making it so that maf can eliminate me anytime they want.

How could what I am doing be even remotely beneficial to me if i were the SK?

As for me being mafia, I don't really know people would come to that conclusion. Who would I even be in a scum team with?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Thu May 16, 2019 11:42 pm

Dash2 wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:Okay I have finally caught up with the thread. Did a cop check on me succeed? If not then don't claim. See people think that I am the sk. If I was the sk then

nice rolefish. We literally established yesterday SK can choose to be cop immune

I hope you read the rest of my post before posting this.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Thu May 16, 2019 11:44 pm

Well being pissed does not really warrant a lynch on the person you are pissed at now does it? That's just policy lynching if I remember that right.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Thu May 16, 2019 11:46 pm

Just take a moment and cool down.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Fri May 17, 2019 12:10 am

What are your thoughts on who might be the possible sk then?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Fri May 17, 2019 12:13 am

Hmm... I can see a chemist and cupcake scumteam being possible but I am still not conviced about qva tbh...
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri May 17, 2019 1:51 am

Rickdaily12 wrote:I need to quickly pop in and let everyone know that I'm going to be unavailable for a few hours. Lost a distant family relative and I'm going to be occupied with family for a bit.

I'm okay, others are not. Will be back soon.


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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Fri May 17, 2019 1:55 am

/Vote cupcake
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri May 17, 2019 1:56 am

Chemist1422 wrote:I think the Phone kill was either a low-info kill or a PR hunt kill

If it's the first that likely means there's at least one (1) deepwolf


What do you mean low-info kill? I think it was either a PR hunt or the SK hunting for mafia. Though why the SK would kill Phone over say tfios/goomba/cupcake is beyond me. Maybe they wanted to keep the poe pool as wide as possible. Which could actually be pretty telling, come to think of it.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri May 17, 2019 1:59 am

Flake wrote:Town Pool: {Me, Chem, Tfios, Dash2, Zucker, Protozigg, Grumpy}

PoE Pool: {Uzay, Ejji, Rick, Qva, Cupcake}


Can you explain proto, grumpy and uzay? If you haven't done so already.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri May 17, 2019 2:04 am

Flake wrote:
ejjinami wrote:
Rickdaily12 wrote:
ejjinami wrote:[Qvap, dash]

[phone, uzay, zucker]
[eragon, cupcake]
[crimson, chemist, tfios, Flake, ProtoZigg]
[rick]
[Grumpy]

[]

:roll:

You do realize you always do this, right?

honestly…. yeah xd
I thought that might be the case back when hosting the first purgatory… The 2’nd one kinda confirmed it...
There’s a chance our play styles might tend to clash normally and I THINK I might have a tendency to SR you regardless of alignment, but I have no idea how to read you otherwise...
If you're town, sorry for that :/ idk if I can do anything about that and tbh I'm not entirely convinced that I should...
You’ll prob just have to deal with it at least till I actually figure out if I should be pushing you or not

I think this is coming from mafia!ejji and mafia!rick

"haha yeah sorry i slightly scum read you (only slightly though xx), literally not going to explain why, you can just deal with my scum read on you for no reason"

yeah no

this seems incredibly orchestrated and not real at all

rick literally just doesn't care about being scum read and doesn't push for a reason of any sort which shows his absolute lack of town incentive


If I recall correctly Rick responded to ejji's accusations on him before that post.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri May 17, 2019 2:04 am

Though it still seems a bit weird, I'll reexamine it after I catch up and post some thoughts about D1.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri May 17, 2019 2:17 am

I don't like that Rick doesn't think there's merit in analysing the night kills. I'd quote the post but it's huge. Rick during D1 you were eager to discuss possibilities where we find SK early, even though it was far-fetched. I thought your attempt to gauge the towniness of our responses was very town-motivated, because as Flake told me yesterday, having a solid town pool is very important for narrowing down poe. Why discredit Flake's attempt to explain the night kills? I'd think trying to solve them helps us with the game, and scum might even slip while discussing them.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri May 17, 2019 2:18 am

Split my last post into two cause there's no logical connection between my D1 thoughts and now lol
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri May 17, 2019 2:26 am

Dash2 wrote:
0verki11 wrote:Crimson | 8 | Qvaril, Dash2, Uzayaltay, Flake, Chemist1422, Zucker, Tfoisforevah, Rickdaily12 , ;
Cupcakej2 |3 | Grumpygoomba, Ejjinami, Protozigg ;
Dash2 | 1 | Eragon1329 ;
Uzayaltay | 1 | Cupcakej2 ;
Chemist | 1 | , Crimson97,


At least one scum had to have been on Crimson's wagon. I'm inclined to say there were probably 2 here.


I think it depends on whether cupcake is scum or not. Of cupcake is town, then mafia could have just let town kill itself and stayed clear of the two wagons. In this case I'd bet on one scum on crimson, probably tfios or chemist. If cupcake is scum though, then we'll have to look into the timing of the votes to see when crimson's wagon took off. If I remember correctly I think uzay's vote was critical, but uzay is one of my top townreads so I have to rethink that
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri May 17, 2019 2:29 am

Dash2 wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
cupcakeaj2 wrote:Let's support more suspicious and horrible reads

To random vote or to not random vote?

/vote Uzay


Why did you randomly vote the widely townread person? You could have done a horrible and suspicious random read on literally anyone else.

This is a bad post


Uzay was my second highest townread after you at that point. I wanted to say that if he had to make a controversial vote, he could have voted anyone else and it'd help me figure out their relationship. A vote on uzay told me nothing.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri May 17, 2019 2:32 am

GrumpyGoomba wrote:Okay I have finally caught up with the thread. Did a cop check on me succeed? If not then don't claim. See people think that I am the sk. If I was the sk then :-
1. I would be immune to mafia kills, that would make it so that cop can find me. Why would I want that to happen to me actively?
2. I would be immune to vig/cop. That would make it so that I am literally announcing to the mafia that I am not immune to them by wanting a cop check on me, making it so that maf can eliminate me anytime they want.

How could what I am doing be even remotely beneficial to me if i were the SK?

As for me being mafia, I don't really know people would come to that conclusion. Who would I even be in a scum team with?


I don't like this post at all. You're too bothered that you're being scumread I think. I could very well see you being the SK, especially since you're in the poe pool and SK probably killed outside of it.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri May 17, 2019 2:33 am

Dash2 wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:Anyways I will leave my vote on my strongest scumread for now.
/Vote Cupcake


Goomba and cupcake are not s/s

Qva did not once mention a scumread on either players before this post


So?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby UzayAltay » Fri May 17, 2019 2:34 am

Dash2 wrote:
Crimson97 wrote:Oh fuck i didn't see that vote rip. You got me.

Even in death this dude has no idea how to act as town

I am legitimately angry

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Like I was reading EOD at night
And legimately thought I really correctly read scum with sleep is flying over my head
Than see The flip
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby UzayAltay » Fri May 17, 2019 2:37 am

Flake wrote:
Dash2 wrote:
Crimson97 wrote:Oh fuck i didn't see that vote rip. You got me.

Even in death this dude has no idea how to act as town

I am legitimately angry

LOL

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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri May 17, 2019 2:38 am

Dash2 wrote:
Qvapil wrote:I quickly read through crimson and cupcake's isos. I still think cupcake feels different from our scum game together. Crimson hasn't really done anything. They don't have enough content for me to comfortably read them but I don't want to lynch cupcake rn. I'll place my vote here for lack of better alternatives and I hope I'll wake up early enough tomorrow to maybe switch.
/vote crimson

I'm still caught up on qva choosing low content + "i cant comfortably read him" over wolfy content, which he never explained why he didn't want to lynch cupcake. If cupcake is scum I'm inclined to believe qva is his buddy


I did explain why I didn't want to lynch cupcake. Because their play is very different from our previous game together where they were scum. I voted crimson because I didn't have any strong scumreads and I wanted my vote to be somewhere in case I didn't wake up in time to change it. I didn't have time to look into anyone else at that time. Though reading through what transpired after I left, my vote would have stayed on crimson.
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