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Re: 18B | Day 1

Postby TheWabbit » Sat May 18, 2019 1:14 am

watchme1 wrote:
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TheWabbit wrote:my role is pretty ironic ngl

was this your neutral claim?

what makes you so interested about it?

/vote watchme1


You mentioned it yourself that you claimed neutral in your first post. I was just pointing out that fact if you could call it a fact that is


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Re: 18B | Day 1

Postby TheWabbit » Sat May 18, 2019 1:16 am

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Re: 18B | Day 1

Postby TheWabbit » Sat May 18, 2019 1:16 am

noveiia wrote:/vote betelgeuse44
Reasons:
- Claiming sheriff for no reason. You can argue that it was a joke but they never claimed it was a joke themselves.
- Random lynching day one immediately instead of waiting, possibly to throw off suspicion
- Currently the scummiest player, even if they have a scum level of 1% no one else really appears scummy


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Re: 18B | Day 1

Postby jammingduck » Sat May 18, 2019 1:23 am

GrumpyGoomba wrote:No. Ducks are evil. Poor snek... :(

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Re: 18B | Day 1

Postby TheWabbit » Sat May 18, 2019 1:23 am

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Re: 18B | Day 1

Postby Watt2015 » Sat May 18, 2019 1:24 am

A quick note about WW theory and how I will play this game. Note that the arguments and facts presented here are indisputable, and that I will not engage in arguments about them, because those arguments are you wasting everyone else's time about meta that is well and comprehensively established. Go make reads so we can read you.

I've reflected on my role and realized that there is a GTO play for me in this game, and therefore I am compelled to pursue it. I am going to brute force my clearness immediately upon the opening of the thread.

I am hard-claiming, I am the doc.

Benefits:

1. I will survive tonight: I do not believe the wolves are able to kill me tonight, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would ever do this as the doc. I believe that this decision reduces the importance of the doc cover to be provided by all of you to the point of it being negligible. The wolves have already been outplayed, as it were.

2. I'm lock clear: All of you already know I'm lock clear, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would do this as a wolf. You know this for at least two reasons. First, this is the easiest, lowest-stress, lowest-demand game to wolf in that I've ever played in (except for turbos). I have no need to complicate my life, as a wolf, by open-claiming on thread open, when all Ihave to do is provide like a C-level wolf game to probably win. This is the rare instance where you literally know that I have a billion other options as a wolf, AND that I would pursue probably ALL of them before pursuing this. Second, I engage in FPS exceedingly rarely, which necessarily means that I *know* that this will look WEIRD and SHOCKING to you. There is no merit to a wolf play that instantly generates WEIRD and SHOCKED responses that I would be obligated to finesse and manage for the remainder of the game. As a villager, which I am, the burden is totally on you to not $#@! up and lynch me. Makes my life super awesome.

3. There are only 12 players you need to try to read, rather than 13: I have already provided a "free" check of me in a game with a mere 13 players. Our win equity is dramatically improved by my being entirely off the table for the entire game.

Conclusion:

The burden of sound reasoning is now entirely upon you. I am the doc, and thus a villager, and thus lock clear. The game is immediately simpler than it would otherwise have been, because of my decision. Now, let us enjoy that benefit and win the game.

Also, to preempt a lengthy and pointless discussion.

It is NOT dumb to ponder this post and convince yourself of its wisdom. That is your obligation as a villager, and I encourage you to think it over for as long as it takes to quell your (initially valid but ultimately unnecessary) concerns.

It IS dumb to, AFTER doing that pondering, conclude that I'm "neutral" or "wolfy." That is legitimately stupid, and I won't entertain it. ONE of the reasons it is a stupid conclusion is that the upside of this play as a wolf is absolutely DWARFED by the upside of this play as a villager. There is no equivalency between the EV gain for wolf-me in this position and villager-me in this position. They're universes apart. That means I wouldn't DO the poorer option of the two (by extension, wolf-me also wouldn't BELIEVE that I could convince the entire game of the truth of these assertions for the entire game, which as an end-game wolf I would have to believe if this strategem were to be worth pursuing). A SECOND reason that conclusion is stupid is that the EV bonus of doing this as a wolf is COMPLETELY DWARFED by me baseline wolf EV anyway. Anything that complicates my wolfing life is RIDICULOUSLY stupid for me to do, given that my wolfing life is ALREADY one of the smoothest, highest expectation wolfing lives in WW history anyway. A THIRD reason that conclusion is stupid is that you would probably have to worry about being EXPLOITED by this gambit in order to get there. However, I have NEVER engaged in this, or any similar, gambit in my entire career, meaning that if there IS exploitation to be had with this play, it is in FUTURE GAMES, not this game. For these reasons, pressuring me is extremely wolfy and should not be engaged in by any villager, ever, in this game. There will be no less productive pursuit than that in this game.

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Re: 18B | Day 1

Postby jammingduck » Sat May 18, 2019 1:29 am

A quick note about ww theowy and how i wiww pway this game. Note that the awguments and facts pwesented hewe awe indisputabwe, and that i wiww not engage in awguments about them, because those awguments awe you wasting evewyone ewse's time about meta that is weww and compwehensivewy estabwished. Go make weads so we can wead you.

i've wefwected on my wowe and weawized that thewe is a gto pway fow me in this game, and thewefowe i am compewwed to puwsue it. I am going to bwute fowce my cweawness immediatewy upon the opening of the thwead.

i am hawd-cwaiming, i am the doc.

benefits:

1. I wiww suwvive tonight: i do not bewieve the wowves awe abwe to kiww me tonight, because it is so objectivewy unwikewy that i wouwd evew do this as the doc. I bewieve that this decision weduces the impowtance of the doc covew to be pwovided by aww of you to the point of it being negwigibwe. The wowves have awweady been outpwayed, as it wewe.

2. I'm wock cweaw: aww of you awweady know i'm wock cweaw, because it is so objectivewy unwikewy that i wouwd do this as a wowf. You know this fow at weast two weasons. Fiwst, this is the easiest, wowest-stwess, wowest-demand game to wowf in that i've evew pwayed in (except fow tuwbos). I have no need to compwicate my wife, as a wowf, by open-cwaiming on thwead open, when aww ihave to do is pwovide wike a c-wevew wowf game to pwobabwy win. This is the wawe instance whewe you witewawwy know that i have a biwwion othew options as a wowf, and that i wouwd puwsue pwobabwy all of them befowe puwsuing this. Second, i engage in fps exceedingwy wawewy, which necessawiwy means that i *know* that this wiww wook weird and shocking to you. Thewe is no mewit to a wowf pway that instantwy genewates weird and shocked wesponses that i wouwd be obwigated to finesse and manage fow the wemaindew of the game. As a viwwagew, which i am, the buwden is totawwy on you to not $#@! up and wynch me. Makes my wife supew awesome.

3. Thewe awe onwy 12 pwayews you need to twy to wead, wathew than 13: i have awweady pwovided a "fwee" check of me in a game with a mewe 13 pwayews. Ouw win equity is dwamaticawwy impwoved by my being entiwewy off the tabwe fow the entiwe game.

concwusion:

the buwden of sound weasoning is now entiwewy upon you. I am the doc, and thus a viwwagew, and thus wock cweaw. The game is immediatewy simpwew than it wouwd othewwise have been, because of my decision. Now, wet us enjoy that benefit and win the game.

awso, to pweempt a wengthy and pointwess discussion.

it is not dumb to pondew this post and convince youwsewf of its wisdom. That is youw obwigation as a viwwagew, and i encouwage you to think it ovew fow as wong as it takes to queww youw (initiawwy vawid but uwtimatewy unnecessawy) concewns.

it is dumb to, after doing that pondewing, concwude that i'm "neutwaw" ow "wowfy." that is wegitimatewy stupid, and i won't entewtain it. One of the weasons it is a stupid concwusion is that the upside of this pway as a wowf is absowutewy dwarfed by the upside of this pway as a viwwagew. Thewe is no equivawency between the ev gain fow wowf-me in this position and viwwagew-me in this position. They'we univewses apawt. That means i wouwdn't do the poowew option of the two (by extension, wowf-me awso wouwdn't believe that i couwd convince the entiwe game of the twuth of these assewtions fow the entiwe game, which as an end-game wowf i wouwd have to bewieve if this stwategem wewe to be wowth puwsuing). A second weason that concwusion is stupid is that the ev bonus of doing this as a wowf is completely dwarfed by me basewine wowf ev anyway. Anything that compwicates my wowfing wife is ridiculously stupid fow me to do, given that my wowfing wife is already one of the smoothest, highest expectation wowfing wives in ww histowy anyway. A third weason that concwusion is stupid is that you wouwd pwobabwy have to wowwy about being exploited by this gambit in owdew to get thewe. Howevew, i have never engaged in this, ow any simiwaw, gambit in my entiwe caweew, meaning that if thewe is expwoitation to be had with this pway, it is in future games, not this game. Fow these weasons, pwessuwing me is extwemewy wowfy and shouwd not be engaged in by any viwwagew, evew, in this game. Thewe wiww be no wess pwoductive puwsuit than that in this game.

sucks fow the wowves when meta is wiewded this bwutawwy, but my awwegiance is pwain and my stwategy pewfect. Get #wekt.
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Re: 18B | Day 1

Postby jammingduck » Sat May 18, 2019 1:32 am

TheWabbit wrote:
noveiia wrote:/vote betelgeuse44
Reasons:
- Claiming sheriff for no reason. You can argue that it was a joke but they never claimed it was a joke themselves.
- Random lynching day one immediately instead of waiting, possibly to throw off suspicion
- Currently the scummiest player, even if they have a scum level of 1% no one else really appears scummy


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Re: 18B | Day 1

Postby Kmenx » Sat May 18, 2019 1:32 am

Watt2015 wrote: Spoiler: A quick note about WW theory and how I will play this game. Note that the arguments and facts presented here are indisputable, and that I will not engage in arguments about them, because those arguments are you wasting everyone else's time about meta that is well and comprehensively established. Go make reads so we can read you.

I've reflected on my role and realized that there is a GTO play for me in this game, and therefore I am compelled to pursue it. I am going to brute force my clearness immediately upon the opening of the thread.

I am hard-claiming, I am the doc.

Benefits:

1. I will survive tonight: I do not believe the wolves are able to kill me tonight, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would ever do this as the doc. I believe that this decision reduces the importance of the doc cover to be provided by all of you to the point of it being negligible. The wolves have already been outplayed, as it were.

2. I'm lock clear: All of you already know I'm lock clear, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would do this as a wolf. You know this for at least two reasons. First, this is the easiest, lowest-stress, lowest-demand game to wolf in that I've ever played in (except for turbos). I have no need to complicate my life, as a wolf, by open-claiming on thread open, when all Ihave to do is provide like a C-level wolf game to probably win. This is the rare instance where you literally know that I have a billion other options as a wolf, AND that I would pursue probably ALL of them before pursuing this. Second, I engage in FPS exceedingly rarely, which necessarily means that I *know* that this will look WEIRD and SHOCKING to you. There is no merit to a wolf play that instantly generates WEIRD and SHOCKED responses that I would be obligated to finesse and manage for the remainder of the game. As a villager, which I am, the burden is totally on you to not $#@! up and lynch me. Makes my life super awesome.

3. There are only 12 players you need to try to read, rather than 13: I have already provided a "free" check of me in a game with a mere 13 players. Our win equity is dramatically improved by my being entirely off the table for the entire game.

Conclusion:

The burden of sound reasoning is now entirely upon you. I am the doc, and thus a villager, and thus lock clear. The game is immediately simpler than it would otherwise have been, because of my decision. Now, let us enjoy that benefit and win the game.

Also, to preempt a lengthy and pointless discussion.

It is NOT dumb to ponder this post and convince yourself of its wisdom. That is your obligation as a villager, and I encourage you to think it over for as long as it takes to quell your (initially valid but ultimately unnecessary) concerns.

It IS dumb to, AFTER doing that pondering, conclude that I'm "neutral" or "wolfy." That is legitimately stupid, and I won't entertain it. ONE of the reasons it is a stupid conclusion is that the upside of this play as a wolf is absolutely DWARFED by the upside of this play as a villager. There is no equivalency between the EV gain for wolf-me in this position and villager-me in this position. They're universes apart. That means I wouldn't DO the poorer option of the two (by extension, wolf-me also wouldn't BELIEVE that I could convince the entire game of the truth of these assertions for the entire game, which as an end-game wolf I would have to believe if this strategem were to be worth pursuing). A SECOND reason that conclusion is stupid is that the EV bonus of doing this as a wolf is COMPLETELY DWARFED by me baseline wolf EV anyway. Anything that complicates my wolfing life is RIDICULOUSLY stupid for me to do, given that my wolfing life is ALREADY one of the smoothest, highest expectation wolfing lives in WW history anyway. A THIRD reason that conclusion is stupid is that you would probably have to worry about being EXPLOITED by this gambit in order to get there. However, I have NEVER engaged in this, or any similar, gambit in my entire career, meaning that if there IS exploitation to be had with this play, it is in FUTURE GAMES, not this game. For these reasons, pressuring me is extremely wolfy and should not be engaged in by any villager, ever, in this game. There will be no less productive pursuit than that in this game.

Sucks for the wolves when meta is wielded this brutally, but my allegiance is plain and my strategy perfect. Get #rekt
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Re: 18B | Day 1

Postby Watt2015 » Sat May 18, 2019 1:32 am

/vote Jammingduck

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Re: 18B | Day 1

Postby jammingduck » Sat May 18, 2019 1:33 am

TheWabbit wrote:
ElusiveBelle wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:/vote Elusive

Duel for the right to meme

How dare part deux! I demand justice!

/vote ElusiveBelle

Tell me why you didn't OMGUS a meme.

Why are you not voting the guy that should be dead?
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Re: 18B | Day 1

Postby jammingduck » Sat May 18, 2019 1:33 am

Watt2015 wrote:/vote Jammingduck

BeGONE THOT

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Re: 18B | Day 1

Postby Kmenx » Sat May 18, 2019 1:34 am

/shoot Kmenx

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Re: 18B | Day 1

Postby woahah » Sat May 18, 2019 1:35 am

should i hard claim now or
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Re: 18B | Day 1

Postby jammingduck » Sat May 18, 2019 1:35 am

TheWabbit wrote:someone give me the ability to vote 3 different people at the same time

Why are you not voting any of them?
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Re: 18B | Day 1

Postby jammingduck » Sat May 18, 2019 1:36 am

woahah wrote:should i hard claim now or

Why should you?
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Re: 18B | Day 1

Postby woahah » Sat May 18, 2019 1:37 am

jammingduck wrote:
woahah wrote:should i hard claim now or

Why should you?

why not innit

im vet tp/lo on me
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Re: 18B | Day 1

Postby jammingduck » Sat May 18, 2019 1:39 am

woahah wrote:
jammingduck wrote:
woahah wrote:should i hard claim now or

Why should you?

why not innit

im vet tp/lo on me

That sounds like a good argument sir, move on.
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Re: 18B | Day 1

Postby Watt2015 » Sat May 18, 2019 1:40 am

woahah wrote:
jammingduck wrote:
woahah wrote:should i hard claim now or

Why should you?

why not innit

im vet tp/lo on me


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Re: 18B | Day 1

Postby jammingduck » Sat May 18, 2019 1:49 am

Kmenx if you want out of the game i can help you.
/Vote Kmenx

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Re: 18B | Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Sat May 18, 2019 2:03 am

Watt2015 wrote:A quick note about WW theory and how I will play this game. Note that the arguments and facts presented here are indisputable, and that I will not engage in arguments about them, because those arguments are you wasting everyone else's time about meta that is well and comprehensively established. Go make reads so we can read you.

I've reflected on my role and realized that there is a GTO play for me in this game, and therefore I am compelled to pursue it. I am going to brute force my clearness immediately upon the opening of the thread.

I am hard-claiming, I am the doc.

Benefits:

1. I will survive tonight: I do not believe the wolves are able to kill me tonight, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would ever do this as the doc. I believe that this decision reduces the importance of the doc cover to be provided by all of you to the point of it being negligible. The wolves have already been outplayed, as it were.

2. I'm lock clear: All of you already know I'm lock clear, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would do this as a wolf. You know this for at least two reasons. First, this is the easiest, lowest-stress, lowest-demand game to wolf in that I've ever played in (except for turbos). I have no need to complicate my life, as a wolf, by open-claiming on thread open, when all Ihave to do is provide like a C-level wolf game to probably win. This is the rare instance where you literally know that I have a billion other options as a wolf, AND that I would pursue probably ALL of them before pursuing this. Second, I engage in FPS exceedingly rarely, which necessarily means that I *know* that this will look WEIRD and SHOCKING to you. There is no merit to a wolf play that instantly generates WEIRD and SHOCKED responses that I would be obligated to finesse and manage for the remainder of the game. As a villager, which I am, the burden is totally on you to not $#@! up and lynch me. Makes my life super awesome.

3. There are only 12 players you need to try to read, rather than 13: I have already provided a "free" check of me in a game with a mere 13 players. Our win equity is dramatically improved by my being entirely off the table for the entire game.

Conclusion:

The burden of sound reasoning is now entirely upon you. I am the doc, and thus a villager, and thus lock clear. The game is immediately simpler than it would otherwise have been, because of my decision. Now, let us enjoy that benefit and win the game.

Also, to preempt a lengthy and pointless discussion.

It is NOT dumb to ponder this post and convince yourself of its wisdom. That is your obligation as a villager, and I encourage you to think it over for as long as it takes to quell your (initially valid but ultimately unnecessary) concerns.

It IS dumb to, AFTER doing that pondering, conclude that I'm "neutral" or "wolfy." That is legitimately stupid, and I won't entertain it. ONE of the reasons it is a stupid conclusion is that the upside of this play as a wolf is absolutely DWARFED by the upside of this play as a villager. There is no equivalency between the EV gain for wolf-me in this position and villager-me in this position. They're universes apart. That means I wouldn't DO the poorer option of the two (by extension, wolf-me also wouldn't BELIEVE that I could convince the entire game of the truth of these assertions for the entire game, which as an end-game wolf I would have to believe if this strategem were to be worth pursuing). A SECOND reason that conclusion is stupid is that the EV bonus of doing this as a wolf is COMPLETELY DWARFED by me baseline wolf EV anyway. Anything that complicates my wolfing life is RIDICULOUSLY stupid for me to do, given that my wolfing life is ALREADY one of the smoothest, highest expectation wolfing lives in WW history anyway. A THIRD reason that conclusion is stupid is that you would probably have to worry about being EXPLOITED by this gambit in order to get there. However, I have NEVER engaged in this, or any similar, gambit in my entire career, meaning that if there IS exploitation to be had with this play, it is in FUTURE GAMES, not this game. For these reasons, pressuring me is extremely wolfy and should not be engaged in by any villager, ever, in this game. There will be no less productive pursuit than that in this game.

Sucks for the wolves when meta is wielded this brutally, but my allegiance is plain and my strategy perfect. Get #rekt.


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Re: 18B | Day 1

Postby watchme1 » Sat May 18, 2019 2:10 am

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GrumpyGoomba wrote:Agree with watchme. D1 claims are absolutely unnecessary. It is even unlikely to be a vet bait since he asked to be protected. That would just get the protective roles killed. But imo I don't see it being scum because imo scum wouldn't do something this drastic and attention mongering this early in the game. Hopefully it was a joke. Let's wait for betel to explain himself.


what do you mean?
i already claimed neutral (killing, if you stretch it) with my first post


This was what you said, your first post being that you claimed neutral. So i just quoted the first thing you said in the thread and questioned you to confirm if that is what you meant.

Then you asked why I was interested in it. I'm not though, i just wanted to point out what you said first. And I did

TheWabbit wrote:not unless you have the correct context


Am I missing some hidden message within your first post or am I just too dumb to think about what you're trying to say
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Re: 18B | Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Sat May 18, 2019 2:13 am

watchme1 wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:Agree with watchme. D1 claims are absolutely unnecessary. It is even unlikely to be a vet bait since he asked to be protected. That would just get the protective roles killed. But imo I don't see it being scum because imo scum wouldn't do something this drastic and attention mongering this early in the game. Hopefully it was a joke. Let's wait for betel to explain himself.


what do you mean?
i already claimed neutral (killing, if you stretch it) with my first post


This was what you said, your first post being that you claimed neutral. So i just quoted the first thing you said in the thread and questioned you to confirm if that is what you meant.

Then you asked why I was interested in it. I'm not though, i just wanted to point out what you said first. And I did

TheWabbit wrote:not unless you have the correct context


Am I missing some hidden message within your first post or am I just too dumb to think about what you're trying to say

It's a thing called sarcasm. What fking idiot claims nk d1.
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Re: 18B | Day 1

Postby EvilDeanius0 » Sat May 18, 2019 2:25 am

TheWabbit wrote:we're running the technicalities

- hypoclaiming is for losers, we're not doing that
- only claim witched on D2, this is to just confirm the existence of a witch
- only claim doused if someone claims roleblocked

no objections

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Re: 18B | Day 1

Postby TheWabbit » Sat May 18, 2019 2:46 am

jammingduck wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:someone give me the ability to vote 3 different people at the same time

Why are you not voting any of them?

because I can only vote them off one at a time

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