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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Fri May 17, 2019 12:10 am

What are your thoughts on who might be the possible sk then?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Fri May 17, 2019 12:13 am

Hmm... I can see a chemist and cupcake scumteam being possible but I am still not conviced about qva tbh...
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri May 17, 2019 1:51 am

Rickdaily12 wrote:I need to quickly pop in and let everyone know that I'm going to be unavailable for a few hours. Lost a distant family relative and I'm going to be occupied with family for a bit.

I'm okay, others are not. Will be back soon.


You have my condolences. I hope everything's alright.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Fri May 17, 2019 1:55 am

/Vote cupcake
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri May 17, 2019 1:56 am

Chemist1422 wrote:I think the Phone kill was either a low-info kill or a PR hunt kill

If it's the first that likely means there's at least one (1) deepwolf


What do you mean low-info kill? I think it was either a PR hunt or the SK hunting for mafia. Though why the SK would kill Phone over say tfios/goomba/cupcake is beyond me. Maybe they wanted to keep the poe pool as wide as possible. Which could actually be pretty telling, come to think of it.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri May 17, 2019 1:59 am

Flake wrote:Town Pool: {Me, Chem, Tfios, Dash2, Zucker, Protozigg, Grumpy}

PoE Pool: {Uzay, Ejji, Rick, Qva, Cupcake}


Can you explain proto, grumpy and uzay? If you haven't done so already.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri May 17, 2019 2:04 am

Flake wrote:
ejjinami wrote:
Rickdaily12 wrote:
ejjinami wrote:[Qvap, dash]

[phone, uzay, zucker]
[eragon, cupcake]
[crimson, chemist, tfios, Flake, ProtoZigg]
[rick]
[Grumpy]

[]

:roll:

You do realize you always do this, right?

honestly…. yeah xd
I thought that might be the case back when hosting the first purgatory… The 2’nd one kinda confirmed it...
There’s a chance our play styles might tend to clash normally and I THINK I might have a tendency to SR you regardless of alignment, but I have no idea how to read you otherwise...
If you're town, sorry for that :/ idk if I can do anything about that and tbh I'm not entirely convinced that I should...
You’ll prob just have to deal with it at least till I actually figure out if I should be pushing you or not

I think this is coming from mafia!ejji and mafia!rick

"haha yeah sorry i slightly scum read you (only slightly though xx), literally not going to explain why, you can just deal with my scum read on you for no reason"

yeah no

this seems incredibly orchestrated and not real at all

rick literally just doesn't care about being scum read and doesn't push for a reason of any sort which shows his absolute lack of town incentive


If I recall correctly Rick responded to ejji's accusations on him before that post.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri May 17, 2019 2:04 am

Though it still seems a bit weird, I'll reexamine it after I catch up and post some thoughts about D1.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri May 17, 2019 2:17 am

I don't like that Rick doesn't think there's merit in analysing the night kills. I'd quote the post but it's huge. Rick during D1 you were eager to discuss possibilities where we find SK early, even though it was far-fetched. I thought your attempt to gauge the towniness of our responses was very town-motivated, because as Flake told me yesterday, having a solid town pool is very important for narrowing down poe. Why discredit Flake's attempt to explain the night kills? I'd think trying to solve them helps us with the game, and scum might even slip while discussing them.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri May 17, 2019 2:18 am

Split my last post into two cause there's no logical connection between my D1 thoughts and now lol
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri May 17, 2019 2:26 am

Dash2 wrote:
0verki11 wrote:Crimson | 8 | Qvaril, Dash2, Uzayaltay, Flake, Chemist1422, Zucker, Tfoisforevah, Rickdaily12 , ;
Cupcakej2 |3 | Grumpygoomba, Ejjinami, Protozigg ;
Dash2 | 1 | Eragon1329 ;
Uzayaltay | 1 | Cupcakej2 ;
Chemist | 1 | , Crimson97,


At least one scum had to have been on Crimson's wagon. I'm inclined to say there were probably 2 here.


I think it depends on whether cupcake is scum or not. Of cupcake is town, then mafia could have just let town kill itself and stayed clear of the two wagons. In this case I'd bet on one scum on crimson, probably tfios or chemist. If cupcake is scum though, then we'll have to look into the timing of the votes to see when crimson's wagon took off. If I remember correctly I think uzay's vote was critical, but uzay is one of my top townreads so I have to rethink that
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri May 17, 2019 2:29 am

Dash2 wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
cupcakeaj2 wrote:Let's support more suspicious and horrible reads

To random vote or to not random vote?

/vote Uzay


Why did you randomly vote the widely townread person? You could have done a horrible and suspicious random read on literally anyone else.

This is a bad post


Uzay was my second highest townread after you at that point. I wanted to say that if he had to make a controversial vote, he could have voted anyone else and it'd help me figure out their relationship. A vote on uzay told me nothing.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri May 17, 2019 2:32 am

GrumpyGoomba wrote:Okay I have finally caught up with the thread. Did a cop check on me succeed? If not then don't claim. See people think that I am the sk. If I was the sk then :-
1. I would be immune to mafia kills, that would make it so that cop can find me. Why would I want that to happen to me actively?
2. I would be immune to vig/cop. That would make it so that I am literally announcing to the mafia that I am not immune to them by wanting a cop check on me, making it so that maf can eliminate me anytime they want.

How could what I am doing be even remotely beneficial to me if i were the SK?

As for me being mafia, I don't really know people would come to that conclusion. Who would I even be in a scum team with?


I don't like this post at all. You're too bothered that you're being scumread I think. I could very well see you being the SK, especially since you're in the poe pool and SK probably killed outside of it.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri May 17, 2019 2:33 am

Dash2 wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:Anyways I will leave my vote on my strongest scumread for now.
/Vote Cupcake


Goomba and cupcake are not s/s

Qva did not once mention a scumread on either players before this post


So?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby UzayAltay » Fri May 17, 2019 2:34 am

Dash2 wrote:
Crimson97 wrote:Oh fuck i didn't see that vote rip. You got me.

Even in death this dude has no idea how to act as town

I am legitimately angry

+1
Like I was reading EOD at night
And legimately thought I really correctly read scum with sleep is flying over my head
Than see The flip
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby UzayAltay » Fri May 17, 2019 2:37 am

Flake wrote:
Dash2 wrote:
Crimson97 wrote:Oh fuck i didn't see that vote rip. You got me.

Even in death this dude has no idea how to act as town

I am legitimately angry

LOL

Flake , Why You are Trying to Tilt Dash here ?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri May 17, 2019 2:38 am

Dash2 wrote:
Qvapil wrote:I quickly read through crimson and cupcake's isos. I still think cupcake feels different from our scum game together. Crimson hasn't really done anything. They don't have enough content for me to comfortably read them but I don't want to lynch cupcake rn. I'll place my vote here for lack of better alternatives and I hope I'll wake up early enough tomorrow to maybe switch.
/vote crimson

I'm still caught up on qva choosing low content + "i cant comfortably read him" over wolfy content, which he never explained why he didn't want to lynch cupcake. If cupcake is scum I'm inclined to believe qva is his buddy


I did explain why I didn't want to lynch cupcake. Because their play is very different from our previous game together where they were scum. I voted crimson because I didn't have any strong scumreads and I wanted my vote to be somewhere in case I didn't wake up in time to change it. I didn't have time to look into anyone else at that time. Though reading through what transpired after I left, my vote would have stayed on crimson.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby UzayAltay » Fri May 17, 2019 2:40 am

Chemist1422 wrote:Okay I reread EoD to see what happened (despite my better judgement)

I don't think tfios is mafia, as they had nothing to gain from not just committing to a Crimson lynch.

I'm not convinced on Proto being town at all, I'm going to cross-meta him between 17F+SFM57 once I finish typing this/after I post it depending on when day starts. I don't like his flipping of reads and the way he popped in with his second post felt like he was waiting for a chance to enter the thread in a non-awkward way, plus being self-aware about stuff.

I think Rick's answer to my question of there being a deepwolf is really interesting and very potentially spewy depending on his alignment, and since tfios/Crimson/Zucker/Goomba are all unlikely mafia/flipped town I think he could be wolf with another deepwolf here, most probably Flake or ejji.

My metaread on Eragon still stands.

I think Uzay's PbPA of Crimson was villagery, even with Crimson flipping town. I need to check if he responded to Crimson's counterpoints.

If there are any other specific reads I come up with I'll post them separately from this, because this was pre-typed during the night.

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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri May 17, 2019 2:43 am

Dash2 wrote:Qva/Chemist/cupcake is where I'm standing at rn


Do you really think both me and chemist would defend cupcake D1 if that's the case?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby UzayAltay » Fri May 17, 2019 2:45 am

Flake wrote:oh chemist slipped non-mafia maybe

but could be fake easily


Flake wrote:oh wait it could be non-mafia or non-sk slip


/vote Flake

Easiest scumslip
You are probably Maf/NK that forget no kill credits for A moment
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby UzayAltay » Fri May 17, 2019 2:47 am

Flake wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Flake wrote:
Dash2 wrote:
Crimson97 wrote:Oh fuck i didn't see that vote rip. You got me.

Even in death this dude has no idea how to act as town

I am legitimately angry

LOL

Flake , Why You are Trying to Tilt Dash here ?

how am i trying to tilt dash

-I am angry due Crimson's play.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby UzayAltay » Fri May 17, 2019 2:51 am

Flake wrote:if you're town and knew you made a slip you don't include the bit about eragon, especially if you truly thought you'd get perceived as scum for doing so

scum get

Logic : :404:
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri May 17, 2019 2:51 am

Dash2 wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:I think cupcake's posts are bad and I want to see them respond to pressure
Chemist1422 wrote:By gamestate I'd go crimson over cupcake just because most of the lownull people are going after cupcake over crimson

Cupcake wagon seems more wolf-driven

Also the soft part of my headphones fell off so I'm gonna spend the next 20 minutes trying to fix that bye

This is a hard 180. Before that first post Chemist hardly acknowledged cupcake, then afterwards he proceeded to be against a cupcake lynch.


You said this to me as well, that I had barely acknowledged cupcake, but I don't understand how that's telling you anything. Cupcake had said nothing of value. Though depending on the vc at that point, I can very well see cupcake/chemist. I'll come back to this later. Honestly after reading EOD1 I could see chemist being scum, though I like their D2 posts. They're in my poe pool.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri May 17, 2019 2:54 am

UzayAltay wrote:
Flake wrote:oh chemist slipped non-mafia maybe

but could be fake easily


Flake wrote:oh wait it could be non-mafia or non-sk slip


/vote Flake

Easiest scumslip
You are probably Maf/NK that forget no kill credits for A moment


What? How did he slip
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby UzayAltay » Fri May 17, 2019 3:00 am

Flake wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Flake wrote:oh chemist slipped non-mafia maybe

but could be fake easily


Flake wrote:oh wait it could be non-mafia or non-sk slip


/vote Flake

Easiest scumslip
You are probably Maf/NK that forget no kill credits for A moment

yeah no

at first i was focused on chemist having been more likely to come up with a post like that in mafia chat, which is why at first i said non-mafia specifically

Flake wrote:i could easily see mafia!chemist making that tryhard post at night and sending it to his mafia buddies like "do u think this is good ;))))"

minus the winky face


Okay , I just want to make A test for seeing If You would remember How Did You started The Logic .
/unvote
TBH I was expecting This explanation with A More emotional answer , but This is enough.
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