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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby UzayAltay » Tue May 14, 2019 11:17 am

Dash2 wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Visualize this

Cop: On
Doc: On
Vig: Off

If no SK interference, it stays like this. If there is SK interference, the switches are reversed

:Facepalm:
This Dont feel geniune .

I was literally explaining to eragon how the system works

The thing is
İt isnt How it Work
Essentially A slip
Which I Dont see geniune
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Chemist1422 » Tue May 14, 2019 11:20 am

Dash2 wrote:AtE = Attack through Empathy. Basically when you try to use emotion to gain towncred

It’s actually Appeal to Emotion but same idea

I’m okay with going for Proto today
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Chemist1422 » Tue May 14, 2019 11:23 am

They have one AI post and it’s calling something NAI

Unless they give more commentary on the thread I’m willing to go for them
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby UzayAltay » Tue May 14, 2019 11:23 am

Dash2 wrote:That's exactly how it works

Why would SK have 8-shot If they can reverse All with one ability
It is obvious it wont went through until Night 8
And in The Game I mentioned , it was Like How I say .
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby UzayAltay » Tue May 14, 2019 11:24 am

And TBH Dash insisting on that instead Actually looking seems fake to me.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Tue May 14, 2019 11:25 am

Imo we shouldn't go for proto. We don't know nearly enough about them. I suggest a cupcake lynch is better.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Chemist1422 » Tue May 14, 2019 11:26 am

Dash2 wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:They have one AI post and it’s calling something NAI

Unless they give more commentary on the thread I’m willing to go for them

We have better lynch options what the fuck are you on

I guess

We’re not leaving them to endgame though
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby UzayAltay » Tue May 14, 2019 11:26 am

I Will come about one hour .
I Like Flake's lynch Pool , Will post The read on Pool .
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Tue May 14, 2019 11:29 am

Wait what? How would that work? I thought that it only consumes one charge regardless of what mafia do.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Tue May 14, 2019 11:33 am

Pregame you must choose to be either immune to the Mafia Nightkill OR be immune to Vig/Cop. Reply to this message to decide, not deciding will result in me RNGing it
Each night phase, you may select a player in the game to nightkill.
Each night phase, you may reverse the state of all switches. This will trigger the opposite outcome of how the mafia have left a switch. This will also use up a charge of the switcher if they used it.
If you switch a power role and they are not being switched they are switched off.
Each switch uses a Charge, you have 8 charges.
Win condition:
You win when you are last person alive.or nothing can stop this from happening

It doesn't tell anything about multiple charges right? Only that the switcher themselves lose a charge if they switch.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Tue May 14, 2019 11:44 am

Me hate ingles. It too hard.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Tue May 14, 2019 11:46 am

Well I think sk might be able to kill and switch at the same time... else sk will be too UP.

When the fk did this become a discussion about game mechanics lmao.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby tfiosforevah » Tue May 14, 2019 12:45 pm

I’m okay with either a cupcake Lynch or a crimson lynch, proto zigg should never be lynched at this point in this case since their slot is unreadable at the moment due to inactivity , hopefully a more active player replaces in

As to crimson and cupcake, they have both been actively inactive, crimson moreso than cupcake, by posting barely anything helpful from a townie perspective. IMO, crimson is doing this more than cupcake, but cupcake appears to be the top wagon , so like I said I’m fine with either
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ProtoZigg » Tue May 14, 2019 12:48 pm

tfiosforevah wrote:I’m okay with either a cupcake Lynch or a crimson lynch, proto zigg should never be lynched at this point in this case since their slot is unreadable at the moment due to inactivity , hopefully a more active player replaces in

As to crimson and cupcake, they have both been actively inactive, crimson moreso than cupcake, by posting barely anything helpful from a townie perspective. IMO, crimson is doing this more than cupcake, but cupcake appears to be the top wagon , so like I said I’m fine with either


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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Tue May 14, 2019 1:00 pm

ProtoZigg wrote:
tfiosforevah wrote:I’m okay with either a cupcake Lynch or a crimson lynch, proto zigg should never be lynched at this point in this case since their slot is unreadable at the moment due to inactivity , hopefully a more active player replaces in

As to crimson and cupcake, they have both been actively inactive, crimson moreso than cupcake, by posting barely anything helpful from a townie perspective. IMO, crimson is doing this more than cupcake, but cupcake appears to be the top wagon , so like I said I’m fine with either


Shut up you're dead
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Tue May 14, 2019 1:07 pm

Oof I thought I'd have more time today and I wanted to iso dive. I have a little over an hour to catch up and decide who to vote. I'll probably wake up 20 mins before EOD, I might be able to change my vote last minute if necessary.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Tue May 14, 2019 1:09 pm

I hate this because I have a bunch of townreads but no scum, since I haven't had time to actually think about my reads.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Tue May 14, 2019 1:12 pm

UzayAltay wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Dash2 wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Crimson here's the thing though. If SK dies D1 Mafia has no reason to not use the cop and doc switches, and unless they want to game throw there's no reason for all of them to use the switches at once

I'm not crimson

Shut you know what I meant

Still doesn't change the fact that we're in a townsided mountainous


Mountainous?

Mountainous = town not having ( or cant using ) any PRs


Is a 10v3 mountainous bad odds?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Tue May 14, 2019 1:16 pm

Chemist1422 wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:Anyways I will leave my vote on my strongest scumread for now.
/Vote Cupcake


Goomba and cupcake are not s/s

That's surface level


I meant s/s as in mafia mates. Goomba was being pressured and I doubt they'd push attention onto their mate instead D1. Cupcake in mafia chat wouldn't allow it.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Tue May 14, 2019 1:19 pm

Actually, forget what I said about cupcake, my previous read on him makes no damn sense.
cupcakeaj2 wrote:Oh ok then
Yeah I think Zucker = alt
Also he's literally "I don't like these things but I don't want to explain why"
cupcakeaj2 wrote:Hmmmm
Let's look at more ISOs.
ejjinami wrote:
cupcakeaj2 wrote:Hmmmm
Let's look at more ISOs.
just read the damn game, please.
cupcakeaj2 wrote:I did.
And everybody said everything I was going to say.

He has clearly no idea how to contribute
cupcakeaj2 wrote:Let's support more suspicious and horrible reads

To random vote or to not random vote?

/vote Uzay

cupcakeaj2 wrote:I like Uzay as well, doing a lot of explained reads and whatever you call this, it's not planning but meh:
UzayAltay wrote:snip

Yeah, I voted him. Don't ask.

And upon re-read, the read on uzay makes no sense. Honestly, I don’t even remember why I liked it in the first place, he just seems frozen. Voting a TR, when he has nearly no reads makes no sense from town’s pov.
I’m starting to feel he might just be scum, has no idea what to do and voted uzay because he (understandably) doesn’t give a crap about acting on his reads.

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Qvapil wrote:I'm trying to learn from my last game, and I think it's more telling to look at those who capitalise on others' questionable plays rather than those who misplay. That's why I'm against voting dash.

What. When did Dash capitalise, what. And that isn't a perfect science either.

And I don’t like his shade on Qvap.


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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Rickdaily12 » Tue May 14, 2019 1:19 pm

Hey. I'm here now, feeling much better than I did last night.

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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Tue May 14, 2019 1:41 pm

Rickdaily12 wrote:
tfiosforevah wrote:You can take my claim seriously, or not, either way i never know how to enter so the naturalness doesn’t really indicate my alignment lol

I wish tfios didn't approach every game exactly like this.
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this feels like reverse-shade… if it even makes sense

Rickdaily12 wrote:I STILL don't like his acknowledge to Dash at the very end that his posting quality was bad..

Why?


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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Tue May 14, 2019 1:41 pm

Rickdaily12 wrote:2. Again, this wasn't a read. You're completely missing the context of the question asked. I don't have a read on Goomba- hindsight? He's null at very best to me.
The question addressed to me was: "Rick, what were your thoughts about the wagon on me?"
Between Goomba and Zucker, Zucker was the one trying harder to get Dash lynched. But yes, I absolutely despise the way he's been handling himself this game, and if you think this is me trying to push an easy mislynch and not trying to hear him out, I don't know what else I can tell you.

And actually, most of that makes sense. I assumed this was supposed to be a push on both Zucker and Grumpy, which felt incredibly iffy, especially interaction-vise… :/ I’m not so confident in this now…
Rickdaily12 wrote:Confidence is a sign of being Town, but refusal to address your mistakes in your posts and adjust yourself when confronted is just textbook VI. His post trying to set up the lynch between Dash and Flake so early into the game still pisses me off. He addresses this by pretty much saying "I'm certain that Dash is scum, but if he's Town we can just lynch Flake after" without addressing the case at all where both can be Town.

I don't dislike your reluctance to scum read him. I dislike your disapproval for my lack of Town reading him. I'm not going to reward bad behavior when there's real consequences for the bad ideas he's pushing, and it doesn't make it any easier for me to read him when he doesn't seem to care about issues people keep bringing up to him about his posts. If you're trying to convince me to Town read him, I don't think you have a basis to besides your gut, but right now, I don't agree.

The "Rick just wants the easy ML" bit also feels really extreme for what was going on here as well, and I'm not liking that jump either.

Let me repeat my read.
YES, Zuck’s reads are garbage. He seemed to want to convince others to vote with him, while being completely uninterested in making any sort of case, and pushed dash for a long time, with ridiculous, unexplained confidence without rescinding or weakening his reads even after people started SRing him for it.
Funnily enough he kept “role/alt playing” (faking his tone and talking in 3’rd person just for shits and giggles) for the majority of the time, which makes his posts look tonally off, but probably implies that he thought “everything he’s done till now is ok and there’s no reason to worry”.
Can we agree that considering how nearly everyone reacted negatively to his reads and NO ONE seemed to want to sheep him, he HAD TO be aware that his actions make him look bad?

I haven’t seen seth play scum, but as town he seemed to care A LOT about the game and everything that happens around him, so I really doubt he’d suddenly stop doing that just because of rolling scum. He should have cared about people’s reads on him, he should have noticed and he should have changed his behavior as scum, because “looking townie” should be sth he gave a shit about.

I can see him shrugging off the SRs and acting ignorant as town though, especially if he really believed his read and didn’t care much about anything else.


The has nothing to do with “rewarding bad behavior”. YES, his posts are bad, but regardless if his strategy is good or not, it doesn’t change the fact that if there’s no scum-motivation for him doing that, it’s probably townie. You can call it TSTBS if you want to.

The read is absolutely not based on gut and honestly, I have no idea how did you even come to that conclusion after reading my posts.
If you think his behavior might come from either alignment and shouldn’t be TR in any way, talk to me about his scum motivation first.


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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Tue May 14, 2019 1:42 pm

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Rickdaily12 wrote:Just quickly skimming back into the thread again, Goomba just seems like a bit of noise. Doesn't seem too opportunistic for me right now, or at least, I didn't see him taking any strong stance unless I'm skimming too hard. Normally this would be more annoying, but again, the game is still pretty fresh and I can forgive that sort of thing right now. I think Zucker has been a bit more opportunistic in comparison to Goomba as it stands.
:c
I absolutely disagree… I really don’t like that read
All of grumpy’s posts being fluff and them reading the thread, but only responding to stuff unrelated to scum-hunting should be scum-indicative, their posts are tonally bad and I see no reason to forgive that, regardless of how much time has passed.
And how the heck can Grumpy be opportunistic if he doesn’t push anyone at all?

Your stance makes no sense. I strongly disagree with the read and I really don’t like you pushing an alternative “easy ML” in the same post for no exact reason. Actually, it feels like you wrote about Grumpy not being opportunistic just so that you could start talking about Zucker. It makes little sense otherwise
Idk if I’m overthinking it, but oh god, I really, really, REALLY dislike that post.

I’m getting more and more tempted to lynch grumpy today…
Rickdaily12 wrote:The "Rick just wants the easy ML" bit also feels really extreme for what was going on here as well, and I'm not liking that jump either.

And you’re misreading my post. I didn’t say that you were aiming for an easy ML just because of SRing Zuck, the read I posted previously was mostly based on interactions and on the way you defended Grumpy.

You started the post by writing that Grumpy did nothing helpful, but then seemed to defend him by saying that “they weren’t opportunistic(?)”, which made no sense to me.
Of course they wouldn’t be opportunistic if the only thing they did was shitpost, lol.
No pushes = no opportunistic pushes

And later you suddenly changed the subject by noticing that ”Seth is way more opportunistic than Grumpy” and SRing him, which I still disagree with, but wouldn’t have SR if not for the weird read on grumpy.

It pinged me as SvS with Grumpy and you being unwilling to distance from him so early. The way you started criticizing seth and comparing him to Grumpy also felt as if you just chose a scapegoat (easy ML) to push instead.
I wasn’t actually confident in reading you based on tone, or any individual read. Tbh I didn’t know if I should read it at all if grumpy flipped town in any part of the game… :/

But I guess that doesn’t matter anymore anyway :/ I might have misunderstood your intentions a bit when reading it previously…


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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby 0verki11 » Tue May 14, 2019 1:44 pm

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