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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Dash2 » Tue May 14, 2019 12:06 pm

Ok you know what

I shouldn't have stayed up so late
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Dash2 » Tue May 14, 2019 12:06 pm

Fuck I have to be somewhere soon too. Fml
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Dash2 » Tue May 14, 2019 12:08 pm

Anyway let's put this mechanic speculation aside and get back to the game
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby tfiosforevah » Tue May 14, 2019 12:45 pm

I’m okay with either a cupcake Lynch or a crimson lynch, proto zigg should never be lynched at this point in this case since their slot is unreadable at the moment due to inactivity , hopefully a more active player replaces in

As to crimson and cupcake, they have both been actively inactive, crimson moreso than cupcake, by posting barely anything helpful from a townie perspective. IMO, crimson is doing this more than cupcake, but cupcake appears to be the top wagon , so like I said I’m fine with either
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ProtoZigg » Tue May 14, 2019 12:48 pm

tfiosforevah wrote:I’m okay with either a cupcake Lynch or a crimson lynch, proto zigg should never be lynched at this point in this case since their slot is unreadable at the moment due to inactivity , hopefully a more active player replaces in

As to crimson and cupcake, they have both been actively inactive, crimson moreso than cupcake, by posting barely anything helpful from a townie perspective. IMO, crimson is doing this more than cupcake, but cupcake appears to be the top wagon , so like I said I’m fine with either


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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Dash2 » Tue May 14, 2019 12:52 pm

Great another person to block
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Flake » Tue May 14, 2019 12:57 pm

ProtoZigg wrote:
tfiosforevah wrote:I’m okay with either a cupcake Lynch or a crimson lynch, proto zigg should never be lynched at this point in this case since their slot is unreadable at the moment due to inactivity , hopefully a more active player replaces in

As to crimson and cupcake, they have both been actively inactive, crimson moreso than cupcake, by posting barely anything helpful from a townie perspective. IMO, crimson is doing this more than cupcake, but cupcake appears to be the top wagon , so like I said I’m fine with either


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FM Record: 11 - 4
Spoiler: 16C: Arsonist - Win (Lived)
VFM37: Citizen - Loss (Lynched D2)
16E: Veteran - Loss (Endgamed)
SFM47: Parity Cop - Win (Lived)
17D: Mafia Vig - Win (Died N2)
VFM46: Goon - Win (Lived)
17F: Bodyguard - Win (Lived)
VFM48: Goon - Win (Lived, Replaced in N5)
VFM49: Citizen - Loss (Died N2)
SFM58: Doctor-esque - Win (Lived)
VFM50: Goon - Win (Lived)
18B: Citizen - Win (Lived)
18C: Godfather - Win (Lived)
VFM52: Citizen - Win (Died N1)
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Flake » Tue May 14, 2019 12:58 pm

great now i have an angleshoot
FM Record: 11 - 4
Spoiler: 16C: Arsonist - Win (Lived)
VFM37: Citizen - Loss (Lynched D2)
16E: Veteran - Loss (Endgamed)
SFM47: Parity Cop - Win (Lived)
17D: Mafia Vig - Win (Died N2)
VFM46: Goon - Win (Lived)
17F: Bodyguard - Win (Lived)
VFM48: Goon - Win (Lived, Replaced in N5)
VFM49: Citizen - Loss (Died N2)
SFM58: Doctor-esque - Win (Lived)
VFM50: Goon - Win (Lived)
18B: Citizen - Win (Lived)
18C: Godfather - Win (Lived)
VFM52: Citizen - Win (Died N1)
SFM60: Citizen - Loss (Endgamed, Replaced in D4)
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Tue May 14, 2019 1:00 pm

ProtoZigg wrote:
tfiosforevah wrote:I’m okay with either a cupcake Lynch or a crimson lynch, proto zigg should never be lynched at this point in this case since their slot is unreadable at the moment due to inactivity , hopefully a more active player replaces in

As to crimson and cupcake, they have both been actively inactive, crimson moreso than cupcake, by posting barely anything helpful from a townie perspective. IMO, crimson is doing this more than cupcake, but cupcake appears to be the top wagon , so like I said I’m fine with either


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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Dash2 » Tue May 14, 2019 1:02 pm

@0ver Proto still has not given us any content and I request they be replaced
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Flake » Tue May 14, 2019 1:03 pm

tfiosforevah wrote:I’m okay with either a cupcake Lynch or a crimson lynch, proto zigg should never be lynched at this point in this case since their slot is unreadable at the moment due to inactivity , hopefully a more active player replaces in

As to crimson and cupcake, they have both been actively inactive, crimson moreso than cupcake, by posting barely anything helpful from a townie perspective. IMO, crimson is doing this more than cupcake, but cupcake appears to be the top wagon , so like I said I’m fine with either

this is likely town!tfios because probably at least one of cupcake and crimson are scum and i don't see tfios being mafia with either here

also tfios is actually being somewhat progressive

i'm p sure tfios is town at this point
FM Record: 11 - 4
Spoiler: 16C: Arsonist - Win (Lived)
VFM37: Citizen - Loss (Lynched D2)
16E: Veteran - Loss (Endgamed)
SFM47: Parity Cop - Win (Lived)
17D: Mafia Vig - Win (Died N2)
VFM46: Goon - Win (Lived)
17F: Bodyguard - Win (Lived)
VFM48: Goon - Win (Lived, Replaced in N5)
VFM49: Citizen - Loss (Died N2)
SFM58: Doctor-esque - Win (Lived)
VFM50: Goon - Win (Lived)
18B: Citizen - Win (Lived)
18C: Godfather - Win (Lived)
VFM52: Citizen - Win (Died N1)
SFM60: Citizen - Loss (Endgamed, Replaced in D4)
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Flake » Tue May 14, 2019 1:07 pm

yeah can brick be replaced please he's literally done nothing
FM Record: 11 - 4
Spoiler: 16C: Arsonist - Win (Lived)
VFM37: Citizen - Loss (Lynched D2)
16E: Veteran - Loss (Endgamed)
SFM47: Parity Cop - Win (Lived)
17D: Mafia Vig - Win (Died N2)
VFM46: Goon - Win (Lived)
17F: Bodyguard - Win (Lived)
VFM48: Goon - Win (Lived, Replaced in N5)
VFM49: Citizen - Loss (Died N2)
SFM58: Doctor-esque - Win (Lived)
VFM50: Goon - Win (Lived)
18B: Citizen - Win (Lived)
18C: Godfather - Win (Lived)
VFM52: Citizen - Win (Died N1)
SFM60: Citizen - Loss (Endgamed, Replaced in D4)
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Tue May 14, 2019 1:07 pm

Oof I thought I'd have more time today and I wanted to iso dive. I have a little over an hour to catch up and decide who to vote. I'll probably wake up 20 mins before EOD, I might be able to change my vote last minute if necessary.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Tue May 14, 2019 1:09 pm

I hate this because I have a bunch of townreads but no scum, since I haven't had time to actually think about my reads.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Tue May 14, 2019 1:12 pm

UzayAltay wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Dash2 wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Crimson here's the thing though. If SK dies D1 Mafia has no reason to not use the cop and doc switches, and unless they want to game throw there's no reason for all of them to use the switches at once

I'm not crimson

Shut you know what I meant

Still doesn't change the fact that we're in a townsided mountainous


Mountainous?

Mountainous = town not having ( or cant using ) any PRs


Is a 10v3 mountainous bad odds?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Flake » Tue May 14, 2019 1:16 pm

Qvapil wrote:I hate this because I have a bunch of townreads but no scum, since I haven't had time to actually think about my reads.

that isn't necessarily a bad thing if your town reads are accurate, an accurate PoE list is very good to have for town and can sometimes lock the game if it's good enough

also, the game progressing with a lack of scummy posts is usually indicative that scum consists of inactive players and/or players who are good at appearing town
FM Record: 11 - 4
Spoiler: 16C: Arsonist - Win (Lived)
VFM37: Citizen - Loss (Lynched D2)
16E: Veteran - Loss (Endgamed)
SFM47: Parity Cop - Win (Lived)
17D: Mafia Vig - Win (Died N2)
VFM46: Goon - Win (Lived)
17F: Bodyguard - Win (Lived)
VFM48: Goon - Win (Lived, Replaced in N5)
VFM49: Citizen - Loss (Died N2)
SFM58: Doctor-esque - Win (Lived)
VFM50: Goon - Win (Lived)
18B: Citizen - Win (Lived)
18C: Godfather - Win (Lived)
VFM52: Citizen - Win (Died N1)
SFM60: Citizen - Loss (Endgamed, Replaced in D4)
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Tue May 14, 2019 1:16 pm

Chemist1422 wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:Anyways I will leave my vote on my strongest scumread for now.
/Vote Cupcake


Goomba and cupcake are not s/s

That's surface level


I meant s/s as in mafia mates. Goomba was being pressured and I doubt they'd push attention onto their mate instead D1. Cupcake in mafia chat wouldn't allow it.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Tue May 14, 2019 1:19 pm

Actually, forget what I said about cupcake, my previous read on him makes no damn sense.
cupcakeaj2 wrote:Oh ok then
Yeah I think Zucker = alt
Also he's literally "I don't like these things but I don't want to explain why"
cupcakeaj2 wrote:Hmmmm
Let's look at more ISOs.
ejjinami wrote:
cupcakeaj2 wrote:Hmmmm
Let's look at more ISOs.
just read the damn game, please.
cupcakeaj2 wrote:I did.
And everybody said everything I was going to say.

He has clearly no idea how to contribute
cupcakeaj2 wrote:Let's support more suspicious and horrible reads

To random vote or to not random vote?

/vote Uzay

cupcakeaj2 wrote:I like Uzay as well, doing a lot of explained reads and whatever you call this, it's not planning but meh:
UzayAltay wrote:snip

Yeah, I voted him. Don't ask.

And upon re-read, the read on uzay makes no sense. Honestly, I don’t even remember why I liked it in the first place, he just seems frozen. Voting a TR, when he has nearly no reads makes no sense from town’s pov.
I’m starting to feel he might just be scum, has no idea what to do and voted uzay because he (understandably) doesn’t give a crap about acting on his reads.

cupcakeaj2 wrote:
Qvapil wrote:I'm trying to learn from my last game, and I think it's more telling to look at those who capitalise on others' questionable plays rather than those who misplay. That's why I'm against voting dash.

What. When did Dash capitalise, what. And that isn't a perfect science either.

And I don’t like his shade on Qvap.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Rickdaily12 » Tue May 14, 2019 1:19 pm

Hey. I'm here now, feeling much better than I did last night.

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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Dash2 » Tue May 14, 2019 1:26 pm

ejj wagon cupcake with me :Doge:
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Flake » Tue May 14, 2019 1:27 pm

i don't know if crimson or cupcake is worse

both are bad
FM Record: 11 - 4
Spoiler: 16C: Arsonist - Win (Lived)
VFM37: Citizen - Loss (Lynched D2)
16E: Veteran - Loss (Endgamed)
SFM47: Parity Cop - Win (Lived)
17D: Mafia Vig - Win (Died N2)
VFM46: Goon - Win (Lived)
17F: Bodyguard - Win (Lived)
VFM48: Goon - Win (Lived, Replaced in N5)
VFM49: Citizen - Loss (Died N2)
SFM58: Doctor-esque - Win (Lived)
VFM50: Goon - Win (Lived)
18B: Citizen - Win (Lived)
18C: Godfather - Win (Lived)
VFM52: Citizen - Win (Died N1)
SFM60: Citizen - Loss (Endgamed, Replaced in D4)
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Flake » Tue May 14, 2019 1:29 pm

i feel like voting uzay, town reading him, acknowledging you're still voting him and not removing the vote might be too reckless to be coming from scum though?????

like what
FM Record: 11 - 4
Spoiler: 16C: Arsonist - Win (Lived)
VFM37: Citizen - Loss (Lynched D2)
16E: Veteran - Loss (Endgamed)
SFM47: Parity Cop - Win (Lived)
17D: Mafia Vig - Win (Died N2)
VFM46: Goon - Win (Lived)
17F: Bodyguard - Win (Lived)
VFM48: Goon - Win (Lived, Replaced in N5)
VFM49: Citizen - Loss (Died N2)
SFM58: Doctor-esque - Win (Lived)
VFM50: Goon - Win (Lived)
18B: Citizen - Win (Lived)
18C: Godfather - Win (Lived)
VFM52: Citizen - Win (Died N1)
SFM60: Citizen - Loss (Endgamed, Replaced in D4)
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Tue May 14, 2019 1:41 pm

Rickdaily12 wrote:
tfiosforevah wrote:You can take my claim seriously, or not, either way i never know how to enter so the naturalness doesn’t really indicate my alignment lol

I wish tfios didn't approach every game exactly like this.
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this feels like reverse-shade… if it even makes sense

Rickdaily12 wrote:I STILL don't like his acknowledge to Dash at the very end that his posting quality was bad..

Why?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Tue May 14, 2019 1:41 pm

Rickdaily12 wrote:2. Again, this wasn't a read. You're completely missing the context of the question asked. I don't have a read on Goomba- hindsight? He's null at very best to me.
The question addressed to me was: "Rick, what were your thoughts about the wagon on me?"
Between Goomba and Zucker, Zucker was the one trying harder to get Dash lynched. But yes, I absolutely despise the way he's been handling himself this game, and if you think this is me trying to push an easy mislynch and not trying to hear him out, I don't know what else I can tell you.

And actually, most of that makes sense. I assumed this was supposed to be a push on both Zucker and Grumpy, which felt incredibly iffy, especially interaction-vise… :/ I’m not so confident in this now…
Rickdaily12 wrote:Confidence is a sign of being Town, but refusal to address your mistakes in your posts and adjust yourself when confronted is just textbook VI. His post trying to set up the lynch between Dash and Flake so early into the game still pisses me off. He addresses this by pretty much saying "I'm certain that Dash is scum, but if he's Town we can just lynch Flake after" without addressing the case at all where both can be Town.

I don't dislike your reluctance to scum read him. I dislike your disapproval for my lack of Town reading him. I'm not going to reward bad behavior when there's real consequences for the bad ideas he's pushing, and it doesn't make it any easier for me to read him when he doesn't seem to care about issues people keep bringing up to him about his posts. If you're trying to convince me to Town read him, I don't think you have a basis to besides your gut, but right now, I don't agree.

The "Rick just wants the easy ML" bit also feels really extreme for what was going on here as well, and I'm not liking that jump either.

Let me repeat my read.
YES, Zuck’s reads are garbage. He seemed to want to convince others to vote with him, while being completely uninterested in making any sort of case, and pushed dash for a long time, with ridiculous, unexplained confidence without rescinding or weakening his reads even after people started SRing him for it.
Funnily enough he kept “role/alt playing” (faking his tone and talking in 3’rd person just for shits and giggles) for the majority of the time, which makes his posts look tonally off, but probably implies that he thought “everything he’s done till now is ok and there’s no reason to worry”.
Can we agree that considering how nearly everyone reacted negatively to his reads and NO ONE seemed to want to sheep him, he HAD TO be aware that his actions make him look bad?

I haven’t seen seth play scum, but as town he seemed to care A LOT about the game and everything that happens around him, so I really doubt he’d suddenly stop doing that just because of rolling scum. He should have cared about people’s reads on him, he should have noticed and he should have changed his behavior as scum, because “looking townie” should be sth he gave a shit about.

I can see him shrugging off the SRs and acting ignorant as town though, especially if he really believed his read and didn’t care much about anything else.


The has nothing to do with “rewarding bad behavior”. YES, his posts are bad, but regardless if his strategy is good or not, it doesn’t change the fact that if there’s no scum-motivation for him doing that, it’s probably townie. You can call it TSTBS if you want to.

The read is absolutely not based on gut and honestly, I have no idea how did you even come to that conclusion after reading my posts.
If you think his behavior might come from either alignment and shouldn’t be TR in any way, talk to me about his scum motivation first.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Tue May 14, 2019 1:42 pm

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Rickdaily12 wrote:Just quickly skimming back into the thread again, Goomba just seems like a bit of noise. Doesn't seem too opportunistic for me right now, or at least, I didn't see him taking any strong stance unless I'm skimming too hard. Normally this would be more annoying, but again, the game is still pretty fresh and I can forgive that sort of thing right now. I think Zucker has been a bit more opportunistic in comparison to Goomba as it stands.
:c
I absolutely disagree… I really don’t like that read
All of grumpy’s posts being fluff and them reading the thread, but only responding to stuff unrelated to scum-hunting should be scum-indicative, their posts are tonally bad and I see no reason to forgive that, regardless of how much time has passed.
And how the heck can Grumpy be opportunistic if he doesn’t push anyone at all?

Your stance makes no sense. I strongly disagree with the read and I really don’t like you pushing an alternative “easy ML” in the same post for no exact reason. Actually, it feels like you wrote about Grumpy not being opportunistic just so that you could start talking about Zucker. It makes little sense otherwise
Idk if I’m overthinking it, but oh god, I really, really, REALLY dislike that post.

I’m getting more and more tempted to lynch grumpy today…
Rickdaily12 wrote:The "Rick just wants the easy ML" bit also feels really extreme for what was going on here as well, and I'm not liking that jump either.

And you’re misreading my post. I didn’t say that you were aiming for an easy ML just because of SRing Zuck, the read I posted previously was mostly based on interactions and on the way you defended Grumpy.

You started the post by writing that Grumpy did nothing helpful, but then seemed to defend him by saying that “they weren’t opportunistic(?)”, which made no sense to me.
Of course they wouldn’t be opportunistic if the only thing they did was shitpost, lol.
No pushes = no opportunistic pushes

And later you suddenly changed the subject by noticing that ”Seth is way more opportunistic than Grumpy” and SRing him, which I still disagree with, but wouldn’t have SR if not for the weird read on grumpy.

It pinged me as SvS with Grumpy and you being unwilling to distance from him so early. The way you started criticizing seth and comparing him to Grumpy also felt as if you just chose a scapegoat (easy ML) to push instead.
I wasn’t actually confident in reading you based on tone, or any individual read. Tbh I didn’t know if I should read it at all if grumpy flipped town in any part of the game… :/

But I guess that doesn’t matter anymore anyway :/ I might have misunderstood your intentions a bit when reading it previously…
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