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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Zucker » Mon May 13, 2019 12:46 pm

Chemist1422 wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Phone is town

I agree


Chemist has been very off.
He doesn’t really add anything new to the conversation.
Dash is only saying Phone is Town because scum wants someone to follow them! ^_^
Qva did it to Seththeking and it worked on him. ^_^
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Rickdaily12 » Mon May 13, 2019 12:47 pm

Yeah, never mind. Zucker is definitely Seth, and that all about confirms that it's the case.

I'm definitely not impressed with his handling of the game so far, then. =/
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Zucker » Mon May 13, 2019 12:50 pm

Dash2 wrote:
Zucker wrote:
Dash2 wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Dash2 wrote:I don't like how Zucker's "catchup" are only responses to me and they're all shadethrowing posts

/vote Zucker

Clearly you haven’t played with him before

Yes I realized halfway through catching up this was gonna be another one of those players.


I find the scummiest player and iso them! ^_^

Yeah in order to find me as scummy you had to read the thread first yeah? Why did you skip all that?


I always do.
I like to read the first couple pages and see who stands out to me as most scummy.
Turns out it was you.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Zucker » Mon May 13, 2019 12:52 pm

Rickdaily12 wrote:Yeah, never mind. Zucker is definitely Seth, and that all about confirms that it's the case.

I'm definitely not impressed with his handling of the game so far, then. =/


Yeah I tend to brake character... ^_^

I just play like that though.
I read until I find a post I don’t like and go off on it and accuse that person.
What’s wrong with that play?
Doesn’t mean I’m not down to vote others but Dash is definitely not Town.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Zucker » Mon May 13, 2019 12:52 pm

Dash2 wrote:guys let me know when zucker isn't being useless I'm blocking him now


Isn’t it illegal to block someone participating?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Chemist1422 » Mon May 13, 2019 12:53 pm

Zucker wrote:
Dash2 wrote:guys let me know when zucker isn't being useless I'm blocking him now


Isn’t it illegal to block someone participating?

No
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Zucker » Mon May 13, 2019 12:54 pm

Chemist1422 wrote:
Zucker wrote:
Dash2 wrote:guys let me know when zucker isn't being useless I'm blocking him now


Isn’t it illegal to block someone participating?

No


Seriously?
That seems game throwable.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Rickdaily12 » Mon May 13, 2019 12:56 pm

Dash2 wrote:By the way Rick, you said Flake was townie if I'm not mistaken, but besides getting into 2 arguments I can't really find much on him that's AI

It's more a meta read. Flake seems really natural and his progression feels pure to me. I agree that if we talk strictly about the substance that you wouldn't find much there, but based on how I've seen Flake carry himself in other games then he seems exactly like I normally see him to me.

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Dash2 wrote:guys let me know when zucker isn't being useless I'm blocking him now


Isn’t it illegal to block someone participating?

It's called a Foe list. From her point of view, it's going to squish everything you post down to a spoiler and make it either to read without having to read your posts (without wanting to).

And no, it's not illegal. It's widely encouraged regarding how to deal with someone you don't like around here.

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Rickdaily12 wrote:Yeah, never mind. Zucker is definitely Seth, and that all about confirms that it's the case.

I'm definitely not impressed with his handling of the game so far, then. =/


Yeah I tend to brake character... ^_^

I just play like that though.
I read until I find a post I don’t like and go off on it and accuse that person.
What’s wrong with that play?
Doesn’t mean I’m not down to vote others but Dash is definitely not Town.

You're still outwardly ignoring a question I've asked you.

If you've read the thread at all, you'd know the one I'm referring to.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Zucker » Mon May 13, 2019 1:00 pm

Flake wrote:
Zucker wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Zucker wrote:
Dash2 wrote:guys let me know when zucker isn't being useless I'm blocking him now


Isn’t it illegal to block someone participating?

No


Seriously?
That seems game throwable.

can you stop pretending to not be seth it's annoying


How did you know though? :/
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Rickdaily12 » Mon May 13, 2019 1:03 pm

Zucker wrote:
Flake wrote:can you stop pretending to not be seth it's annoying


How did you know though? :/

You really want to know, Seth? Well, for one thing, people don't fixate enough on you to say this:

Zucker wrote:Dash is only saying Phone is Town because scum wants someone to follow them! ^_^
Qva did it to Seththeking and it worked on him. ^_^

So yeah, you basically told us yourself.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Rickdaily12 » Mon May 13, 2019 1:04 pm

Dash2 wrote:
Rickdaily12 wrote:
Dash2 wrote:By the way Rick, you said Flake was townie if I'm not mistaken, but besides getting into 2 arguments I can't really find much on him that's AI

It's more a meta read. Flake seems really natural and his progression feels pure to me. I agree that if we talk strictly about the substance that you wouldn't find much there, but based on how I've seen Flake carry himself in other games then he seems exactly like I normally see him to me.

I see. I got confused for a second.

Rickdaily12 wrote: From her point of view

Ok rick lowkey I have no idea why my gender was set on female but I'm actually a guy

As someone who screws up gender literally every person I meet, I make a point to check these things more often. <_<
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Rickdaily12 » Mon May 13, 2019 1:11 pm

Rickdaily12 wrote:
Zucker wrote:At least Flake is giving detail to back up what he’s done. ^_^
Dash Refuses to give Detail
Dash states stuff with no actual context
Dash doesn’t even look like they want to actually help town
Dash should be lynched today, if Flake is still very scummy tomorrow then we can definitely vote them.

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Zucker, seriously, you're turning into a walking case example now.

Rickdaily12 wrote: Spoiler: If someone tries to impose a gladiator on a conflict without good reason, you want to pressure that person. You ESPECIALLY want to do this if the person in question isn't confirmed to be Town yet. TvT conflicts happen all the time, but Mafia love when they do, because they can more easily let you keep looking at that conflict waiting for you to decide if you're going to kill into that conflict or egg someone into demanding that someone in that duo/trio/whatever dies.
If people don't have hard evidence that there is Scum in a conflict, people shouldn't be eager to lynch in the issue. Short of having a parity cop check or a confirmed Town which confirms a liar in the pair, if all two people are doing is having a heated argument that really flares up, it could just be temper and ego. At the end of the day, it isn't alignment indicative purely on that basis alone, despite how distracting it just was. Town aren't flawless either, obviously, so sometimes two people just really derail the thread with their argument but turn out to be on the same side. Chances are, you aren't going to know if that conflict has scum unless you have direct evidence to the contrary.
So if all of a sudden, someone shouts "someone in that pair is getting lynched today!" (especially if the Day Phase isn't ending for 24 or more hours...)
You should probably ask that person why they're so certain that the conflict isn't TvT in the first place. Their answer will probably be at least telling.
Keep an open eye out for people who disappeared once the argument started, or just sort of let everything explode out of control and more or less encourage people to take sides on a hypothetical lynch in that pair. Anyone without a solid reason as to why the conflict is certain to be not TvT should have great reasons for it, or looked at for pushing this.

Why are Dash and Flake never TvT to you?

Bumping for Seth's sake, as he's still not answering the question.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Mon May 13, 2019 1:13 pm

I was thinking a bit about the setup, and I believe lynching SK early benefits us simply because we reduce kpn. It's true that the prs are under mafia's control at that point but once we find a mafia member we'll have more options. I think having more townies alive (by reducing kpn) is more important than the prs, though take this with a grain of salt since I haven't played anything like this before.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Mon May 13, 2019 1:18 pm

Zucker wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Phone is town

I agree


Chemist has been very off.
He doesn’t really add anything new to the conversation.
Dash is only saying Phone is Town because scum wants someone to follow them! ^_^
Qva did it to Seththeking and it worked on him. ^_^


I agree chemist had a stronger start on the other game I played with him, but that could be due to irl reasons.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Mon May 13, 2019 1:20 pm

Guys I don't think speculating about zucker/seth helps us solve the game. Could we do this afterwards?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Rickdaily12 » Mon May 13, 2019 1:20 pm

Qvapil wrote:I was thinking a bit about the setup, and I believe lynching SK early benefits us simply because we reduce kpn. It's true that the prs are under mafia's control at that point but once we find a mafia member we'll have more options. I think having more townies alive (by reducing kpn) is more important than the prs, though take this with a grain of salt since I haven't played anything like this before.

Whether or not you agree with the course of action, this post screams Town to me. Doesn't feel coached to me either.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Mon May 13, 2019 1:22 pm

Unless you want to metaread them, but still shouldn't we respect the fact that it's an alt? If it is one. I don't know how you guys deal with alts around here, so correct me if this isn't a problem.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Mon May 13, 2019 1:24 pm

Rickdaily12 wrote:
Qvapil wrote:I was thinking a bit about the setup, and I believe lynching SK early benefits us simply because we reduce kpn. It's true that the prs are under mafia's control at that point but once we find a mafia member we'll have more options. I think having more townies alive (by reducing kpn) is more important than the prs, though take this with a grain of salt since I haven't played anything like this before.

Whether or not you agree with the course of action, this post screams Town to me. Doesn't feel coached to me either.


You suggested keeping the SK alive earlier, and everyone that has responded to you so far disagreed. What do you think about what we said?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Zucker » Mon May 13, 2019 1:26 pm

Dash2 wrote:Also I've been TRing Qva for a while now


Same TBH.
Although their very townie in their scum game.
I believe them to be Town this game simply because their isn’t a “Maybe or weird Puppeting”
It’s a solid opinion they are giving which I think leads to them being Town.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Mon May 13, 2019 1:26 pm

TeamMystic wrote:imagine using alts


Begone, ghost!
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Zucker » Mon May 13, 2019 1:28 pm

Town Reads: Qva and Uzay
Scum Reads: at least one scum in Flake, Dash and Chemist.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Rickdaily12 » Mon May 13, 2019 1:29 pm

Qvapil wrote:Unless you want to metaread them, but still shouldn't we respect the fact that it's an alt? If it is one. I don't know how you guys deal with alts around here, so correct me if this isn't a problem.

It's really not a problem anymore now that he outed himself. The only real issue is the meta basis- Seth might be new to FM and all, but there are tricks and tips he's learning not to do around here, and feigning ignorance to those tips isn't going to be an excuse he can carry with himself forever.

That, and he's still ignoring my question. :x

Chemist, why is this his Town meta again?

Qvapil wrote:
Rickdaily12 wrote:
Qvapil wrote:I was thinking a bit about the setup, and I believe lynching SK early benefits us simply because we reduce kpn. It's true that the prs are under mafia's control at that point but once we find a mafia member we'll have more options. I think having more townies alive (by reducing kpn) is more important than the prs, though take this with a grain of salt since I haven't played anything like this before.

Whether or not you agree with the course of action, this post screams Town to me. Doesn't feel coached to me either.


You suggested keeping the SK alive earlier, and everyone that has responded to you so far disagreed. What do you think about what we said?

I think that you're right in that it depends. It's still difficult to say- the moment the SK dies, everyone in the Town becomes a Citizen until Day 4. That's pretty brutal, considering that three night kills where everyone is vanilla allows Mafia to kill the PRs and we're left stuck trying to clean up the aftermath of it all. Lynching SK now to preserve the number of dead Town each night is ideal, but unless we can hit them today, which is unlikely, I can't help but feel like Mafia is the big threat all game long for everyone.

The reason I asked this question was to test the waters on how everyone else feels about it, though. I like what I got from it.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Zucker » Mon May 13, 2019 1:31 pm

Rickdaily12 wrote:
Qvapil wrote:Unless you want to metaread them, but still shouldn't we respect the fact that it's an alt? If it is one. I don't know how you guys deal with alts around here, so correct me if this isn't a problem.

It's really not a problem anymore now that he outed himself. The only real issue is the meta basis- Seth might be new to FM and all, but there are tricks and tips he's learning not to do around here, and feigning ignorance to those tips isn't going to be an excuse he can carry with himself forever.

That, and he's still ignoring my question. :x

Chemist, why is this his Town meta again?

Qvapil wrote:
Rickdaily12 wrote:
Qvapil wrote:I was thinking a bit about the setup, and I believe lynching SK early benefits us simply because we reduce kpn. It's true that the prs are under mafia's control at that point but once we find a mafia member we'll have more options. I think having more townies alive (by reducing kpn) is more important than the prs, though take this with a grain of salt since I haven't played anything like this before.

Whether or not you agree with the course of action, this post screams Town to me. Doesn't feel coached to me either.


You suggested keeping the SK alive earlier, and everyone that has responded to you so far disagreed. What do you think about what we said?

I think that you're right in that it depends. It's still difficult to say- the moment the SK dies, everyone in the Town becomes a Citizen until Day 4. That's pretty brutal, considering that three night kills where everyone is vanilla allows Mafia to kill the PRs and we're left stuck trying to clean up the aftermath of it all. Lynching SK now to preserve the number of dead Town each night is ideal, but unless we can hit them today, which is unlikely, I can't help but feel like Mafia is the big threat all game long for everyone.

The reason I asked this question was to test the waters on how everyone else feels about it, though. I like what I got from it.


Answers Question.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Rickdaily12 » Mon May 13, 2019 1:33 pm

Dash2 wrote:Rick I think you're misreading the rolecards

Uh, why's that?

Zucker wrote:Answers Question.
Gets “you still haven’t answered it!”

So you've answered why you think it's impossible or unlikely that Flake and Dash are TvT to you? Because I've been waiting for you to quote that question at me.

If you did answer already, I missed it, and sorry, but I don't think you did.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 13, 2019 1:37 pm

Catching up xd
Oh god, I’m really not good with fast-paced games


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