VFM 49: SK win #rekt

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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Flake » Mon May 13, 2019 7:06 am

UzayAltay wrote:
Flake wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Qvapil wrote:Oh I forgot I voted Uzay. I think they're town. Thanks rick.
/vote unvote

Flake Have You missed This or intentionally skipped ?

?

what about it

It is Also A TR on me
But You aren't asking The reason Like You Did at Ejji and Dash ?

i asked ejji and got no response

qva already gave a reason

Qvapil wrote:
Crimson97 wrote:
ejjinami wrote:Uzay is acting really townie rn btw

Not really.


Why not? I also think they're townie because I like that they explained themselves after dash questioned them.
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Re: VFM 49: Setup phase

Postby UzayAltay » Mon May 13, 2019 7:08 am

Flake wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Flake wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Flake wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Crimson97 wrote:
Zucker wrote:I flipped Citizen! ^_^
Good luck everyone!

I cc cit

/Vote Zucker

:cry: :ermm: :BlobCry: :BlobCry: :BlobStop:

stop pretending like either cit claim is actually indicative

So You are completely Okay with This with knowing it help scum ?
/vote Flake
I Dont think You thought from town PoV there .

It doesn't help scum because seth and crimson both know that claiming cit immediately is bad, they're literally just creating WIFOM

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if it's so stupid explain why i'm wrong

jesus fucking christ can you all stop being so vague

Should I really explain Why claiming role Day 1 is bad ?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Mon May 13, 2019 7:08 am

Uzay could you explain what you mean by pockety? When you were talking about ejji and me townreading you
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Zucker » Mon May 13, 2019 7:09 am

Dash2 wrote:/vote tfios


Um well, Dash.
That vote seemed like it happened for the sole purpose of bluntly voting someone.
Tfios always claims Citizen Day 1 and they usually are Citizen ^_^.

When I was reading you seemed the most sketchy. *_^
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Zucker » Mon May 13, 2019 7:10 am

Dash2 wrote:Uzay is town honestly



Hmm. So because everyone else Is saying so you decided to join in?
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Re: VFM 49: Setup phase

Postby Flake » Mon May 13, 2019 7:10 am

UzayAltay wrote:
Flake wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Flake wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Flake wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Crimson97 wrote:
Zucker wrote:I flipped Citizen! ^_^
Good luck everyone!

I cc cit

/Vote Zucker

:cry: :ermm: :BlobCry: :BlobCry: :BlobStop:

stop pretending like either cit claim is actually indicative

So You are completely Okay with This with knowing it help scum ?
/vote Flake
I Dont think You thought from town PoV there .

It doesn't help scum because seth and crimson both know that claiming cit immediately is bad, they're literally just creating WIFOM

:Facepalm:

if it's so stupid explain why i'm wrong

jesus fucking christ can you all stop being so vague

Should I really explain Why claiming role Day 1 is bad ?

it's almost like they could be not serious claims
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby UzayAltay » Mon May 13, 2019 7:11 am

ejjinami wrote:
Crimson97 wrote:
ejjinami wrote:Uzay is acting really townie rn btw

Not really.

it's mostly tone



........aaaand a stupid tell that I doesn't even need to work
but I still like the way he played till now

@Flake , didnt You find that enough ?
/unvote
/vote unvote

I Like your reaction to me
Even though I am not aggreeing with You and it is bad , and could be dangerous .
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Zucker » Mon May 13, 2019 7:12 am

Dash2 wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Uzay is town honestly

Why do you think so? Just curious.

Because he's being how he always is as town, plus nothing strikes me as scummy.


I think Zucker is Town because Zucker isn’t striked as scummy.
What kind of reasoning is that?
Zucker Questioning it.
That is dull reasoning
That seemed very low effort.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Zucker » Mon May 13, 2019 7:13 am

Dash2 wrote:
Flake wrote:
Dash2 wrote:reasoning being because entry was wolfy

tfios entries are always similarly wolfy

nai

That's not gonna change my view
Flake wrote:
Dash2 wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Uzay is town honestly

Why do you think so? Just curious.

Because he's being how he always is as town, plus nothing strikes me as scummy.

can you be a bit more specific

No


I don’t like this! ^_^
Too much Refusal!
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Zucker » Mon May 13, 2019 7:14 am

Dash2 wrote:I'm just gonna say this now because I can see this going south quickly. "Can you be more specific" was a stupid question because I already explained all I could in that one post.


That’s false ^_^
You explain nothing other then saying Uzay is Town.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Zucker » Mon May 13, 2019 7:15 am

Chemist1422 wrote:Morning all, can’t make a serious post until like 10 because school sucks

Wb Dash, welcome newbies, catch y’all soon


Catch ya Chemist!
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby UzayAltay » Mon May 13, 2019 7:20 am

Qvapil wrote:Uzay could you explain what you mean by pockety? When you were talking about ejji and me townreading you

Psicologically , people tend to act good to Player they are acted good by , and vice versa .Also Applies from " bad act" .
So , scum can try acting good / townread The players who think they can effect their read with , with hope that Will cause A townread on them , or A Choose which benefit them later at Game .
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Zucker » Mon May 13, 2019 7:22 am

UzayAltay wrote:
Rickdaily12 wrote:By the way, everyone, what do we think about the tactic of trying to avoid lynching the SK? I'm a bit torn thinking over what exactly our approach this game should be.

Like, because of the whole situation with the switches and all of the WIFOM hell, it's probably really safe to assume that Night Plans this game on our end are going to be utterly useless. We ultimately have no control over any of the night actions that get sent and that end up working, as all of that utility ultimately gets negated by the scum. So really, like, I view this game as 11 cits versus a 3v1 scum faction. The only thing really going for us is that the SK will want the Mafia as dead as badly as we do and can screw with their abilities in a way that we can't. (Like really, I'm still pretty salty that we didn't end up getting more citizens or even a role that can flip switches too.)

So, because of this, we at least have an SK that can crosskill into Mafia, and screw with their switches for as long as the Mafia remain alive. Plus, as more Mafia die, we effectively get stronger over time, since this frees more of the PRs and basically undoes a vanillasizer on the PRs. But if we lynch the SK, Scum loses a KP, but then we almost basically guarantee Scum never cross killing into each other the moment SK dies, and that could be pretty devastating, especially if multiple PRs die before hitting ever hitting Mafia.

Is it also in the better interest of the SK if they try to help us get a few Cop checks to work? They can't outright murder the Town if Mafia remains at full power, so if they did everything in their power to help us find associations between mafia, it's in all of our benefit, right?

Basically I'm unsure how Town wins without us getting lucky on the Vig or without SK helping us kill at least one of the Mafia. Is anyone else familiar with this setup?

We Obviously need Every scum lynch , but I Will prefer SK Dead over mafia .Why ? Let's compare with A Day 1 SK lynch with Day 1 Maf lynch
1) Tomorrow 10v3 versus 9v2v1
2) With SK lynch , Mafia has to free one of PRs . With All Mafia's have 3-shot , We Will be abi to use some PRs before it votes to end at worse situation ( assumation : We couldnt be able to lynch Maf for A while , Maf couldnt be able to kill our PRs )
With Maf lynch , SK can lock The PR We lynched from Mafia for A long time , and with 2 KPN , time wents stronger, and working faster against us.

Another thing I discovered is We can start using our Roles effectively when We Kill 2 scum . And Killing SK early is Actually Giving us More chance to kill A Mafia due less Dead town per Day , I think. Even it removes The possibility SK Killing Mafia .


Now time for me to give reasoning your town :).

You start the discussion right away trying to lead Town.
You state your opinion like this to show Town what we should do in a very proper manor.
Your trying to help others Understand the Situation.
Scum wouldn’t be sole focused on SK because they need him to kill at least for the first night!

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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Zucker » Mon May 13, 2019 7:22 am

Zucker all Caught Up now! ^_^

/Vote Dash2
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Mon May 13, 2019 7:22 am

UzayAltay wrote:
Qvapil wrote:Uzay could you explain what you mean by pockety? When you were talking about ejji and me townreading you

Psicologically , people tend to act good to Player they are acted good by , and vice versa .Also Applies from " bad act" .
So , scum can try acting good / townread The players who think they can effect their read with , with hope that Will cause A townread on them , or A Choose which benefit them later at Game .


Oh I get it. Thanks, you're being really helpful.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Flake » Mon May 13, 2019 7:23 am

UzayAltay wrote:
ejjinami wrote:
Crimson97 wrote:
ejjinami wrote:Uzay is acting really townie rn btw

Not really.

it's mostly tone



........aaaand a stupid tell that I doesn't even need to work
but I still like the way he played till now

@Flake , didnt You find that enough ?
/unvote
/vote unvote

I Like your reaction to me
Even though I am not aggreeing with You and it is bad , and could be dangerous .

imo d1 cit claim here is only indicative of whether they're cit or PR if there's some credibility to the argument that the claim is likely to be serious, which might occur if the player is new and likely doesn't understand that seriously claiming cit d1 is bad, or just simply the latter

i'm like 99.9999% sure both seth and crimson know that serious d1 cit claiming is not good
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Flake » Mon May 13, 2019 7:24 am

/unvote
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Flake » Mon May 13, 2019 7:24 am

Flake wrote:/unvote

/vote unvote

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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Zucker » Mon May 13, 2019 7:25 am

Flake wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
ejjinami wrote:
Crimson97 wrote:
ejjinami wrote:Uzay is acting really townie rn btw

Not really.

it's mostly tone



........aaaand a stupid tell that I doesn't even need to work
but I still like the way he played till now

@Flake , didnt You find that enough ?
/unvote
/vote unvote

I Like your reaction to me
Even though I am not aggreeing with You and it is bad , and could be dangerous .

imo d1 cit claim here is only indicative of whether they're cit or PR if there's some credibility to the argument that the claim is likely to be serious, which might occur if the player is new and likely doesn't understand that seriously claiming cit d1 is bad, or just simply the latter

i'm like 99.9999% sure both seth and crimson know that serious d1 cit claiming is not good


When you flip Citizen so much, sometimes you don’t care! ^_^
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Mon May 13, 2019 7:26 am

I was going to scumread zucker because I thought he was trying to go with the flow by opposing dash and townreading uzay. However their last post explaining their uzay read is great imo. They gave new, further reasons as to why uzay could be town, which I doubt scum would take the time to do.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby MoustachioMario » Mon May 13, 2019 7:31 am

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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Zucker » Mon May 13, 2019 7:31 am

Qvapil wrote:I was going to scumread zucker because I thought he was trying to go with the flow by opposing dash and townreading uzay. However their last post explaining their uzay read is great imo. They gave new, further reasons as to why uzay could be town, which I doubt scum would take the time to do.


Care to join my Dash Train! ^_^

I’m fairly confident this is scum!
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Zucker » Mon May 13, 2019 7:32 am

Now I don’t know who Dash plays.
But I just feel as if he’s trying to fit in but is effort lacks majorly.
It feels really bad and I don’t think their really helping town whatsoever.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Mon May 13, 2019 7:37 am

Zucker wrote:Now I don’t know who Dash plays.
But I just feel as if he’s trying to fit in but is effort lacks majorly.
It feels really bad and I don’t think their really helping town whatsoever.


I don't know, I think flake is worse in that manner.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Zucker » Mon May 13, 2019 7:42 am

Qvapil wrote:
Zucker wrote:Now I don’t know who Dash plays.
But I just feel as if he’s trying to fit in but is effort lacks majorly.
It feels really bad and I don’t think their really helping town whatsoever.


I don't know, I think flake is worse in that manner.


At least Flake is giving detail to back up what he’s done. ^_^
Dash Refuses to give Detail
Dash states stuff with no actual context
Dash doesn’t even look like they want to actually help town
Dash should be lynched today, if Flake is still very scummy tomorrow then we can definitely vote them.
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