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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby MafiaMenace » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:15 pm

james
i wont ask again
what will be our duel
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby Chemist1422 » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:15 pm

phone with the minor tell of explaining reads after he posts them

without providing examples either

/vote Phone
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby Phone0Ix » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:23 pm

Chemist1422 wrote:phone with the minor tell of explaining reads after he posts them

without providing examples either

/vote Phone

James is posting negative opinions everytime someone's trying to suggest something
Call me Phone Ig

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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby ejjinami » Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:56 pm

First off, I don't think chemist's intro is that town-indicative. It was perfectly constructed and chem even wrote about the game it was inspired on, so there's a really big chance that it was written before the game started. I think the idea is good in general, but it's not anything immediately game solving and can be used by both alignments, so I don't really understand the people who TR it heavily. I mean, it's good, but not really AI imo.


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ejjinami wrote:
ScorpioDiAngelo wrote:Okay well Chemist is being very productive in this game. Either town or some next level powerwolfing.

Prob not SvS
The post is a big exaggeration, but it feels like a relatively honest attempt to scumhunt, so I think I like it
Besides, scum tend to be more hesitant in giving strong TRs, so I guess the post is good

I agree it probably isn't SvS, but I'm not sure it's TvT either.
Scorpio's post felt like shade on Chemist IMO, then Scorpio forgot who they'd even talked about.
Thought they mentioned Eragon rather than Chem.
Scorpio never really said they TR either person.
Now we haven't heard from Scorpio since, so I'd like to see their new opinions.

I think Scorpio's post was townie. It looked like a reaction to chemist's 1st posts (the ones about hypo-claiming) and had to be based on these posts only because if I remember correctly, those were chem's only posts back then.

I don't really get what you mean by it being shade, I understood it as a spontaneous tonal TR because of the difference in the amount of reasoning in these posts and in chem's posts in general
(The first one was by far the most impressive post I remember ever coming from chemist as well tbh, even though I think it's NAI)

I think scorpio's TR is absolutely dumb and rushed, but it really doesn't feel scum-motivated to me.

First off, as I said before, I think it hints to them not being scummates because of how quick and strong the read was. I would be surprised if scorpio was the type to be able to just locktown one of his buddies based on their first post in the meme-phase
And the: "Either town or some next level powerwolfing" REALLY doesn't feel like SvS to me
Way too ballsy and way too stupid imo.

And then, would scum!scorpio be that enthusiastic to give a townie a locktown read so quickly?
From my experience, dumb, rushed actions tend to be one of the most AI/honest ones and this post really made me feel that he was completely ok with giving chem an early, confident TR, which should come from town more often than scum.

ScorpioDiAngelo wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:Eragon towny for setting up good mechanical play

Scorpio is a FeelsWeird for mentioning me and not Eragon

TBH I forgot about you. Sorry. But yeah. Same goes for you

I don't think think that was scummy btw. Scorpio's first read on chemist felt like a spontaneous/enthusiastic one, so I don't think him not noticing eragon is all that weird. Besides, I wouldn't expect much sense from scorpio's posts in general tbh
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby Eragon1329 » Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:59 pm

rip i guess the doctor idea wont work

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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby ejjinami » Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:10 pm

hereisme wrote:
ejjinami wrote:
NotExacerbated wrote:Hey gamers I’m at a school dance

xd
Ok, i want to joke after all
I'm really tempted to throw one here, even though I know I shouldn't
Stupid game rules...

There's no rule stating you can't joke, just that you can only post 50 times in game day.
So technically, joke all you want, just make your post useful besides that.
Don't waste thread time with fluffy shit.
*which is kinda what you did right there...*

I wasn't talking about the post limit, but about the "no talking about ongoing games" one
I'm not really worried about the post cap tbh

hereisme wrote:It doesn't matter if NotEx is lying about Cop claim.
If they are, real Cop will sort that out.
I believe we should still hypo claim as it's in our best interest.

I'm down for that btw

hereisme wrote:Can the voters that aren't RVS explain their scum read?
I'm assuming the not joke votes are the following - James, ejjinami, Phone

Tbh I'm not sure if my vote counts as RvS or not. James's reactions to the RvS posts didn't make sense to me and made me feel like he might have posted the SRs without any reasoning behind it, just to appear as if he's scumhunting
But tbh I wouldn't say that the vote is much more than pressure.
I'm not sure how I feel about him now, cuz tbh his recent posts didn't make much sense to me either, so I'm ok with letting the vote stay there for a while.

hereisme wrote:Also forgot to post my quick reads bracket so here ya go:
Town lean {Chemist, Uzay}
Slighter lean {Eragon, Wabbit, lilgansta}
NULL - {Most people still}
Very slightly scum {Scorpio, ejjinami}

Wanna elaborate?

Phone0Ix wrote:Feels like trying to block conversation

You mean, by discouraging RvS posts?
How likely do you think it is for his starting posts to have such a "direct?" scum motivation?
I mean like, openly aiming to hinder the town just after the game started?


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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby hereisme » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:47 pm

For Phone Spoiler:
Phone0Ix wrote:
hereisme wrote:-snip-
It's kinda pinging me as scummy that your explanation feels forced and weak.

From experience I know how worse my reason to scumread someone is (aslong as there is a plausible reason), how higher the chance is it's right so I'm starting to follow my weak reasons
I'm a little confused about this post right here.
Could you explain what you mean?
Why would you want to follow weak reasoning?
Phone0Ix wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:phone with the minor tell of explaining reads after he posts them

without providing examples either

/vote Phone

James is posting negative opinions everytime someone's trying to suggest something

While I don't agree with Chem quick voting you with little reason of his own,
I would like you to show me where James posted negatively.
Because when I looked at their ISO, it didn't look negative.
Just because a person disagrees with a suggestion doesn't make it negative.
They're just stating their opinion as well.
If we're going to use your reasoning, it looks like maybe you want to shut discussion down.

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Spoiler: About Scorpio - I can see you points (bolded + underlined in the post below).
ejjinami wrote:I think Scorpio's post was townie. It looked like a reaction to chemist's 1st posts (the ones about hypo-claiming) and had to be based on these posts only because if I remember correctly, those were chem's only posts back then.

I don't really get what you mean by it being shade, I understood it as a spontaneous tonal TR because of the difference in the amount of reasoning in these posts and in chem's posts in general
(The first one was by far the most impressive post I remember ever coming from chemist as well tbh, even though I think it's NAI)

I think scorpio's TR is absolutely dumb and rushed, but it really doesn't feel scum-motivated to me.

First off, as I said before, I think it hints to them not being scummates because of how quick and strong the read was. I would be surprised if scorpio was the type to be able to just locktown one of his buddies based on their first post in the meme-phase
And the: "Either town or some next level powerwolfing" REALLY doesn't feel like SvS to me
Way too ballsy and way too stupid imo.

And then, would scum!scorpio be that enthusiastic to give a townie a locktown read so quickly?
From my experience, dumb, rushed actions tend to be one of the most AI/honest ones and this post really made me feel that he was completely ok with giving chem an early, confident TR, which should come from town more often than scum.

But the issue I have with the rushed part of it, it could come from scum with TMI.
I've never played with them yet, so I'm still unsure of their motive.
Also, I'm not entirely sure it should be looked at as a confident TR in the first place.
1. The shade I saw was the "next level powerwolfing" comment. So not exactly confident TR.
2. They forgot who they had commented about.
When Chemist asked them why they didn't comment on Eragon as well,
I'm pretty sure Scorpio thought Chem meant "why didn't you mention me(Chem)?"
So they replied with this
ScorpioDiAngelo wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:Eragon towny for setting up good mechanical play

Scorpio is a FeelsWeird for mentioning me and not Eragon

TBH I forgot about you. Sorry. But yeah. Same goes for you

I'm not exactly sure if it's AI really.
But I don't think the read was confident at all.
I think it was just intended to throw shade at an active player.
And if that's the case, it would be scummy IMO.
That's why it felt AI to me when I read it.
ejjinami wrote:
hereisme wrote:Can the voters that aren't RVS explain their scum read?
I'm assuming the not joke votes are the following - James, ejjinami, Phone

Tbh I'm not sure if my vote counts as RvS or not. James's reactions to the RvS posts didn't make sense to me and made me feel like he might have posted the SRs without any reasoning behind it, just to appear as if he's scumhunting
But tbh I wouldn't say that the vote is much more than pressure.
I'm not sure how I feel about him now, cuz tbh his recent posts didn't make much sense to me either, so I'm ok with letting the vote stay there for a while.

Hmm okay, I hadn't really viewed his early posts as SRs.
I just thought he wasn't a fan of RVS.
What didn't you like about his recent posts?
Something I didn't like was his OMGUS vote on you.
Because he didn't elaborate if he actually SR you or not.
ejjinami wrote:
hereisme wrote:Also forgot to post my quick reads bracket so here ya go:
Town lean {Chemist, Uzay}
Slighter lean {Eragon, Wabbit, lilgansta}
NULL - {Most people still}
Very slightly scum {Scorpio, ejjinami}

Wanna elaborate?

Sure! None of these reads are solid, just Day One quick shit.
A lot of my reads are likely to change.

Chemist - Their first few posts struck me as coming from town POV, but their last few were questionable.
Still slight town lean.
Uzay - They've only posted twice but their tone felt genuine, tried to determine odds for Doc plan.
Still slight town lean.
Eragon - Started with a meme, and got serious with proposing town plans when necessary, helped discussion.
Still slight town lean, but need to see more. Plus I'm not sure what their scum meta is.
Wabbit - I wanted to see their reaction to my TR on them, but they haven't been around today.
Moved to NULL until I can actually attempt to read them.
lilgansta - I liked how they engaged a lot of players in their wall, tone felt townie thought I've never played w/them.
Still slight town lean.

The NULL ones might have changed so I'll check.. some yes.
MM - Still can't get read off their 3 posts.
James - I'm not really sure yet, but if I had to pick one or the other, I'd say maybe townish.
Phone - The motive behind their content is kind of questionable so far, leaning scummy, but he's often mislynch.
tfios - One post so no way to tell.
NotEx - Doesn't have many posts, claimed Cop, but I would still say scum for them at this point.

Scorpio - Still just 2 posts, but I didn't like the posts. I need to see more from them.
Still feel like leaning scum for this. Gotta see their explanations about the posts.
ejjinami(you) - So I actually really liked your recent posts. But most of your early ones felt off to me.
They felt like they could be coming from scum trying to pose townie, plus you seemed to propose that a Doc out.
Which would be a VERY bad idea. But I'm not sure if that's what you were saying.
Basically, your early post felt tonally off and a few also felt very forced.
I'll quote the few posts of yours I didn't like -
ejjinami wrote:Ok, sorry, I'm going home from a short vacation today and I'm not really in the mood for jokes
Tbh I just feel like yelling at everyone around me, so I'll try to just write what I want to write and then disappear until it stops
Sorry for that
ejjinami wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:Claiming goon. My buddies are lilgangsta and Eragon1329

Why didn't you mention me? :(
makes me sad

NotExacerbated wrote:Hey gamers I’m at a school dance

xd
Ok, i want to joke after all
I'm really tempted to throw one here, even though I know I shouldn't
Stupid game rules...
ejjinami wrote:
NotExacerbated wrote:I hardclaim sheriff.

We don’t even need to hypo, whichever doc has me in their pool heals me.

Oh god

If exa claimed as a "joke", I'm prob gonna heavily consider lynching him
If not, one of the doctors should claim
The cop has to be healed once and I'm not really tempted to count on WIFOM
And a doc dying is better than the cop

We can start from here

Claiming was a terrible idea btw
ejjinami wrote:Any doc plans without a revealed doc will only make cross-healing more likely to happen

What if the 2 docs are in the same group? How do you know if they aren't?
No one knows, so just stop it

And the cop is revealed rn, so I really suggest not taking the risk
ejjinami wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:If a Doctor dies, the Sheriff will gain a Macho modifier.

fuck
Nvm then, thx for saying that xd
It really doesn't make sense in that case

I don't care about setup spec besides that, I'll just comply.
Dividing players into into 2 groups does have some merits and demerits, but tbh now that I know there isn't an easy way to win this, I kinda lost the motivation to think about it
Uh
Well, w/e, just pretend I didn't say anything since the beginning
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby NotExacerbated » Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:14 pm

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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby tfiosforevah » Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:43 pm

Phone0Ix wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:phone with the minor tell of explaining reads after he posts them

without providing examples either

/vote Phone

James is posting negative opinions everytime someone's trying to suggest something

is that really a scum tell though?
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby TheWabbit » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:28 pm

hereisme wrote:Can the voters that aren't RVS explain their scum read?
I'm assuming the not joke votes are the following - James, ejjinami, Phone

Also forgot to post my quick reads bracket so here ya go:
Town lean {Chemist, Uzay}
Slighter lean {Eragon, Wabbit, lilgansta}
NULL - {Most people still}
Very slightly scum {Scorpio, ejjinami}

Still gotta see content from a lot of players.
Kind of getting scum vibes from a few others but gonna wait.
As far as a vote for today, I have no fucking clue yet.
But I would like to hear from the serious voters with their reasoning.

Funny enough, the same people I wrote as my scumbuddies are in the same bracket as me.

What makes ejjnami a scumlean? I think their planning (though proved to be unsuccessful) likely comes from Town.
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby TheWabbit » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:31 pm

Phone0Ix wrote:Feels like trying to block conversation

RvS usually doesn't end up sparking venerable topics to talk about, so I'd say their move is NAI.
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby MafiaMenace » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:31 pm

lets get into this anyway
im waiting though james
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby TheWabbit » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:33 pm

MafiaMenace wrote:james
i wont ask again
what will be our duel

there won't be a duel until they talk about the little game between the two of you

so I suggest clinging onto other things for now
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby MafiaMenace » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:34 pm

i can actually relate to james in a sense because lots of pushes i make come from posts in rvs
their comment on readslist seems like a genuine standpoint, their tone is general is genuine tbh
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby MafiaMenace » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:34 pm

TheWabbit wrote:
MafiaMenace wrote:james
i wont ask again
what will be our duel

there won't be a duel until they talk about the little game between the two of you

so I suggest clinging onto other things for now

'they'?
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby TheWabbit » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:35 pm

Chemist1422 wrote:phone with the minor tell of explaining reads after he posts them

without providing examples either

/vote Phone

Is not providing posts that support your argument a scumtell? I can see that it makes your argument less sound but I don't think it would be indicative of scum.
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby TheWabbit » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:36 pm

MafiaMenace wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:
MafiaMenace wrote:james
i wont ask again
what will be our duel

there won't be a duel until they talk about the little game between the two of you

so I suggest clinging onto other things for now

'they'?

I always use gender-neutral pronouns unless I'm well cognizant

became much of a habit, who knows
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby MafiaMenace » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:38 pm

TheWabbit wrote:
MafiaMenace wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:
MafiaMenace wrote:james
i wont ask again
what will be our duel

there won't be a duel until they talk about the little game between the two of you

so I suggest clinging onto other things for now

'they'?

I always use gender-neutral pronouns unless I'm well cognizant

became much of a habit, who knows

so james is they

you had me thinking it was plural so i was really confused asf
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby MafiaMenace » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:41 pm

uh
can someone teach me 'Understanding UzayAltay 101'
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby MafiaMenace » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:44 pm

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Chemist1422 wrote:Hello

We're going to leave cop cover. How do we do that? It's simple. Every night that the cop is still alive and unouted, you claim to have gotten a green check on one person that night. Try to make it someone you would actually check as cop in that situation.

Benefits:
- Helps hide the real cop while getting their peeks out
- Allows SHC

Disadvantages:
- Helps wolves PoE the cop more effectively - Less so with doctors in the setup

/vote hereisme

This vote's about as much of a joke as theirs, but their post along with it felt lazy.

I'm in.
Eragon1329 wrote:Whatever we decide to do for cop, onto the doctors

At the end of the day, we should(as a town) correlate a “doc 1” and “doc 2” pool, to make 100% sure docs don’t cross-heal

Who the docs heal in that “pool” is up to them, for WIFOM purposes, but they must heal in that pool

That is not going to work, and i feel it's going to create more confusion than needed.
Eragon1329 wrote:Also notes on claiming:

Due to the doctors being macho and the cop being our only TI.

Do not claim until you are specifically asked to claim. There is always a chance that you won’t be the lynch, and a claimed citizen is basically useless, will never die at night, and could possibly be mislynched later.

So always leave that air of mystery on whether you are a PR or not, and frankly i’d Prefer never claiming until the lynch is 100% set, and only CFD’ing off of the lynch if the target is a PR

I feel like we would lynch a suspicious person regarless, especially if there is a chance that a goon could claim PR to escape from the gallows.
But i agree with the general idea.
ScorpioDiAngelo wrote:Okay well Chemist is being very productive in this game. Either town or some next level powerwolfing.

Already? All Chemist did was make a plan. Also, what about Eragon?
Chemist1422 wrote:Eragon towny for setting up good mechanical play

Scorpio is a FeelsWeird for mentioning me and not Eragon

Already? It's not a good play, but i agree with your second point.
Eragon1329 wrote:The doc in the pool given

If there are 2 docs in one pool, well then...

Fuck RNG lmao

Like “group 1” persists of blah blah, and the doctor in that pool heals there, and “group 2 “ consists of blah blah and doctor in that pool heals there

RNG Screwing us over is quite likely, i wouldn't risk it.
hereisme wrote:@Eragon
I'm still worried about accidentally having both Docs in same pool.
This plan seems more dangerous because of that chance.
And what if one of the pools ends up with more Maf than town?
Then that Doc has more chance of healing scum on accident.
Wouldn't it just be safer to let the Docs do whatever they choose?
As in - heal who they town read most each day?
It feels too risky when we can't be sure how the pools are split.

As for your thoughts on the hypo, I can see both sides.
Plus, if Cop dies tonight or gets red check, we don't need to.
But if Cop dies Night 2 or 3 with green checks, the hypo helps.
If I had to say what I wanted to do right now, I think we should.

Chemist1422 wrote:SHC = Seer Hunt Clear

If wolves attack someone thinking they're the cop their peek is likely town

That could be used against us, so i wouldn't rely on it.
hereisme wrote:Current reads:
Town Lean - Chemist
NULL - everyone else

Already? And i wouldn't worry about post limit, we have an entire 50 posts.
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What do we use instead? I don't have a problem with readlists.
TheWabbit wrote:Claiming goon. My buddies are lilgangsta and Eragon1329.

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I think we should let the doctors decide the target for themselves. Attempting to separate them with no clear distinction both in town!PoV and doc!PoV won't help. Attempting to find ways to help the doctors in coordination will also help scum narrow down possible doctors.

We talked about this, i wasn't willing to be part of this plan!! :evil:
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Yeah, pretty much.
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Go get that coochie!
I'm already leaning to eragon and scorpio being a scumteam due to scorpio purposely ignoring eragon. Didn't like eragon's plan either, but i don't think it was intentionally bad.

the repetition feels kinda weird here

Watch as town loses anyway, haha.

wolfy even if it was to crack a joke
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby MafiaMenace » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:46 pm

Phone0Ix wrote:How is RvS bad? It helps starting a conversation

towny stance

im also gonna say that he seems honestly pinged at james
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby MafiaMenace » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:46 pm

tfiosforevah wrote:
Phone0Ix wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:phone with the minor tell of explaining reads after he posts them

without providing examples either

/vote Phone

James is posting negative opinions everytime someone's trying to suggest something

is that really a scum tell though?

can be
it is most of the time later game
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby MafiaMenace » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:49 pm

the sheriff hardclaim can't, not be town
scum gets nothing
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby MafiaMenace » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:51 pm

ScorpioDiAngelo wrote:Okay well Chemist is being very productive in this game. Either town or some next level powerwolfing.

nothing post



anyway everyone making big posts i aint got the motivation to read late at night
wabbit got good tone
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Re: VFM43 | No Hope (Plus One) | D1 (Beginning Of The End)

Postby James » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:07 am

ejjinami wrote:
James wrote:
ejjinami wrote:You're just "ew"ing at everyone who posted, why do you dislike those posts

I called those 3 posts gross because they're rvs votes and their comments are off-putting

ejjinami wrote:
NotExacerbated wrote:I hardclaim sheriff.

We don’t even need to hypo, whichever doc has me in their pool heals me.

Oh god

If exa claimed as a "joke", I'm prob gonna heavily consider lynching him
This may sound insane, but maybe, just maybe, exa is protesting against the doctor shite
If not, one of the doctors should claim
The cop has to be healed once and I'm not really tempted to count on WIFOM
And a doc dying is better than the cop
Made from stupidity but still very suspicious

We can start from here

Claiming was a terrible idea btw

/vote ejjinami
I hate everything about this post

How are they off putting?

And cool, elaborate


ejjinami wrote:
James wrote:
Phone0Ix wrote:How is RvS bad? It helps starting a conversation

Because it's always off-putting to me

it doesn't make the comments scum-motivated
Do you think they're scummy?
and does that mean you think setup spec is more townie than RvS votes?

It's usually not AI, but still, they always make it so awkward.
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