Is this Gamethrowing or breaking any rule/bannable?

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Is this Gamethrowing or breaking any rule/bannable?

Postby KingPopinLockin » Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:59 am

So I made this same topic in the Steam ToS forums so I'm just going to link to it and paste the same thing here as I did not get much feedback from the original post.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/334230/d ... 1547961046

So I've started using a strategy that seems to work VERY well. Only once has it blown up in my face and even then I still won the game. I've played more than 10 games using this strategy with some minor changes here and there but I've found one that I'm sticking too. I have an 80-90% win rate so far, even if I am killed.

So here it goes:


I started keeping a notepad open with this on it so that i can Copy/Paste into lobby chat before/after picking a name:

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"Hang me or I help Mafia/SK/Exe/Jester." If someone asks why I want that I just tell them, "I just want to grind out games to play ranked (which really it's true) with my friends.)
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If someone asks why I want that I just tell them, "I just want to grind out games to play ranked (which really it's true) with my friends."
The strategy is that, hopefully, no matter what role I am, I will be the least likely to be killed. I also keep this on my notepad since the time it blew up in my face happened:

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"It isn't Gamethrowing because:
I still did my role and put in my will what I did for Town to see.
Evils won't kill me if I'm Town.
Mafia won't kill me if I'm SK.
Sk won't kill me if I'm Mafia.
If I'm Jester I can get hung easier.
Jesters and posibbly Executioners are more likely to help me.
The only Role this strategy will hurt my team is if I'm the Exectutioner and then I can only hurt myself."
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NOTE: Even though I claim to help the Evils if I'm not hung, I sitll preform my role and take notes in my Last Will!

In the only time this backfired, I played a Townie (I forget which role) and day 1 or 2 someone said, "Hang him no matter his role for what he said." more or less. I tried to defend my strategy but I was hung and then the person that wanted me hung in the first place ran a witch hunt to have everyone report me. I even continued to explain myself further to this person when they died

From what I can tell by reading the rules supplied in these forums, I am breaking no rule.

There is a rule about helping out faction not your own: "Saying that they are siding with a faction against their win conditions (without a strategic reason)." Which as I have stated, I do have a strategic reason for doing so. This isn't actually under "Gamethrowing" either. It's under "Borderline Gamethrowing" meaning that it could or could not be considered Gamethrowing.

So is this Gamethrowing or is having a reason for using this strat the condition for it to NOT be Gamethrowing?


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EDIT: BTW so far on this account I have W:22 L:9 D:1 That's only what I've got on my account NOT how many games I've played with this strat.

EDIT 2: I've started to keep count of the games I play doing this and tallying my wins/losses and also putting down what made us lose the game. Also, so far I have only been killed on the first night once which did sort of make us lose the game. I was Vig and there was a second Vig. SK killed me and Mafia killed Vig2 on N1. Although in my defense, two Vigs is a good way to get a one of us shot by the other and then that Vig guilt suicide so that could have saved some headache in the long run.
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Re: Is this Gamethrowing or breaking any rule/bannable?

Postby Flavorable » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:23 pm

For clarification, I will be posting here what I already posted on Steam:

Asking to be hanged can be considered gamethrowing, because it indicates you want to be hanged. Whether it's true or not is besides the point.

While it's not a black and white case of gamethrowing, it is definitely borderline and should you get reported for it, there always -is- a chance of getting suspended for it, if the reports come in often enough.

All in all, I recommend against using this strategy.
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Re: Is this Gamethrowing or breaking any rule/bannable?

Postby WhiteGoblin222 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:14 am

KingPopinLockin wrote:"It isn't Gamethrowing because:
I still did my role and put in my will what I did for Town to see.
Evils won't kill me if I'm Town.
Mafia won't kill me if I'm SK.
Sk won't kill me if I'm Mafia.
If I'm Jester I can get hung easier.
Jesters and posibbly Executioners are more likely to help me.
The only Role this strategy will hurt my team is if I'm the Exectutioner and then I can only hurt myself."


If I'm Jester I can get hung easier.

Any strategy that increases the likelihood of being hung, executed or shot by town is going to harm your team.

The only Role this strategy will hurt my team is if I'm the Exectutioner and then I can only hurt myself

Making this line nonsense.
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