Kirize12 wrote:Framer will also need tools to make it effective in the case of a dead TI.
Kirize12 wrote:Framer will also need tools to make it effective in the case of a dead TI.
PyromonkeyGG wrote:To make sure that everyone is up to date on the conversation, the permanent frames are likely not the thing we are leaning towards. Make sure to read through the thread if you can before posting your opinion as our strategy for this buff is evolving with the conversation.
Parallax7 wrote:
Overhaul/Role by Dragonclaw66!
Thank you for reading, looking forward to the next developer update. ~TG
Achilles wrote:Parallax7 wrote:
Overhaul/Role by Dragonclaw66!
Thank you for reading, looking forward to the next developer update. ~TG
If you want Framer to have a two selection night menu then this buff is going to be postponed until the Unity port is done which will likely be somewhere around February. Your buff also wants to get rid of Disguiser and combine them into one role. It's just too much right now and I really don't know how I feel about removing a role.
Achilles wrote:Parallax7 wrote:
Overhaul/Role by Dragonclaw66!
Thank you for reading, looking forward to the next developer update. ~TG
If you want Framer to have a two selection night menu then this buff is going to be postponed until the Unity port is done which will likely be somewhere around February. Your buff also wants to get rid of Disguiser and combine them into one role. It's just too much right now and I really don't know how I feel about removing a role.
Achilles wrote:I would prefer to buff both the Framer and Disguiser separately instead of combining them into one role.
Achilles wrote:I would prefer to buff both the Framer and Disguiser separately instead of combining them into one role.
Achilles wrote:I would prefer to buff both the Framer and Disguiser separately instead of combining them into one role.
greenrabbit7 wrote:Achilles wrote:I would prefer to buff both the Framer and Disguiser separately instead of combining them into one role.
Hm... Let's see. Alright, I think I can come up with one, but it'll make them a bit... weird.
Disguiser
Spoiler: .
Goal: Mafia goal
Main problem i see here is i think there have been similar and bad roles. I just thought of this on the spot, so...
Framer
Spoiler:
This is chat manipulation and not all that useful without a blackmailer, and can also really fuck up the trial system. but hey, its a thing
BasicFourLife wrote:greenrabbit7 wrote:Achilles wrote:I would prefer to buff both the Framer and Disguiser separately instead of combining them into one role.
Hm... Let's see. Alright, I think I can come up with one, but it'll make them a bit... weird.
Disguiser
Spoiler: .
Goal: Mafia goal
Main problem i see here is i think there have been similar and bad roles. I just thought of this on the spot, so...
Framer
Spoiler:
This is chat manipulation and not all that useful without a blackmailer, and can also really fuck up the trial system. but hey, its a thing
This is not a place to suggest ideas that you just thought of.
Edit: Framer is not the only role who needs changes. Move onto others like Retributionist, Vigilante, Neutral Evils, Killings and basically every other role minus a few exceptions.
Achilles wrote:BasicFourLife wrote:greenrabbit7 wrote:Achilles wrote:I would prefer to buff both the Framer and Disguiser separately instead of combining them into one role.
Hm... Let's see. Alright, I think I can come up with one, but it'll make them a bit... weird.
Disguiser
Spoiler: .
Goal: Mafia goal
Main problem i see here is i think there have been similar and bad roles. I just thought of this on the spot, so...
Framer
Spoiler:
This is chat manipulation and not all that useful without a blackmailer, and can also really fuck up the trial system. but hey, its a thing
This is not a place to suggest ideas that you just thought of.
Edit: Framer is not the only role who needs changes. Move onto others like Retributionist, Vigilante, Neutral Evils, Killings and basically every other role minus a few exceptions.
It’s hard to take your suggestions seriously when you say every role in the game needs fixed. If things were that bad no one would play. It sounds like you won’t be happy until I redesign the entire game to your liking.
Parallax7 wrote:Achilles wrote:BasicFourLife wrote:greenrabbit7 wrote:Achilles wrote:I would prefer to buff both the Framer and Disguiser separately instead of combining them into one role.
Hm... Let's see. Alright, I think I can come up with one, but it'll make them a bit... weird.
Disguiser
Spoiler: .
Goal: Mafia goal
Main problem i see here is i think there have been similar and bad roles. I just thought of this on the spot, so...
Framer
Spoiler:
This is chat manipulation and not all that useful without a blackmailer, and can also really fuck up the trial system. but hey, its a thing
This is not a place to suggest ideas that you just thought of.
Edit: Framer is not the only role who needs changes. Move onto others like Retributionist, Vigilante, Neutral Evils, Killings and basically every other role minus a few exceptions.
It’s hard to take your suggestions seriously when you say every role in the game needs fixed. If things were that bad no one would play. It sounds like you won’t be happy until I redesign the entire game to your liking.
He’s an extreemist/radical/far left/far right, 13 year old. There are improvements to be made, but the game isn’t bad by any stretch the of the imagination, ignore his destructive criticism.
Achilles wrote:BasicFourLife wrote:greenrabbit7 wrote:Achilles wrote:I would prefer to buff both the Framer and Disguiser separately instead of combining them into one role.
Hm... Let's see. Alright, I think I can come up with one, but it'll make them a bit... weird.
Disguiser
Spoiler: .
Goal: Mafia goal
Main problem i see here is i think there have been similar and bad roles. I just thought of this on the spot, so...
Framer
Spoiler:
This is chat manipulation and not all that useful without a blackmailer, and can also really fuck up the trial system. but hey, its a thing
This is not a place to suggest ideas that you just thought of.
Edit: Framer is not the only role who needs changes. Move onto others like Retributionist, Vigilante, Neutral Evils, Killings and basically every other role minus a few exceptions.
It’s hard to take your suggestions seriously when you say every role in the game needs fixed. If things were that bad no one would play. It sounds like you won’t be happy until I redesign the entire game to your liking.
BasicFourLife wrote:Achilles wrote:BasicFourLife wrote:greenrabbit7 wrote:Achilles wrote:I would prefer to buff both the Framer and Disguiser separately instead of combining them into one role.
Hm... Let's see. Alright, I think I can come up with one, but it'll make them a bit... weird.
Disguiser
Spoiler: .
Goal: Mafia goal
Main problem i see here is i think there have been similar and bad roles. I just thought of this on the spot, so...
Framer
Spoiler:
This is chat manipulation and not all that useful without a blackmailer, and can also really fuck up the trial system. but hey, its a thing
This is not a place to suggest ideas that you just thought of.
Edit: Framer is not the only role who needs changes. Move onto others like Retributionist, Vigilante, Neutral Evils, Killings and basically every other role minus a few exceptions.
It’s hard to take your suggestions seriously when you say every role in the game needs fixed. If things were that bad no one would play. It sounds like you won’t be happy until I redesign the entire game to your liking.
I’m talking about competitive only and you are taking things in a general stance. Additionally, many changes are minor and don’t need to exist. They only make it better but are not necessary. And an unbalanced game has nothing to do with the amount of players in other modes excluding the competitive ones. But people still play the competitive modes for other reasons, but it could have much higher success if it was actually more focused on. My personal feelings don’t have anything to do with how I feel about the game’s current balance stance.
What I was trying to say was that there are many other roles or mechanics that can be improved and not just Framer. And the reason I implied that other changes could be made, because you said that the TG Framer could not be implemented ‘till Unity, because it required Framer to be made into a two button role and that’s why I started looking into other options.
When TG suggested Dragonclaw’s Framer rework, specifically said that a part of it you focused on the thread and some Disguiser part which didn’t matter at all mostly avoiding the real thing. And now this.
Achilles wrote:BasicFourLife wrote:Achilles wrote:BasicFourLife wrote:greenrabbit7 wrote:Achilles wrote:I would prefer to buff both the Framer and Disguiser separately instead of combining them into one role.
Hm... Let's see. Alright, I think I can come up with one, but it'll make them a bit... weird.
Disguiser
Spoiler: .
Goal: Mafia goal
Main problem i see here is i think there have been similar and bad roles. I just thought of this on the spot, so...
Framer
Spoiler:
This is chat manipulation and not all that useful without a blackmailer, and can also really fuck up the trial system. but hey, its a thing
This is not a place to suggest ideas that you just thought of.
Edit: Framer is not the only role who needs changes. Move onto others like Retributionist, Vigilante, Neutral Evils, Killings and basically every other role minus a few exceptions.
It’s hard to take your suggestions seriously when you say every role in the game needs fixed. If things were that bad no one would play. It sounds like you won’t be happy until I redesign the entire game to your liking.
I’m talking about competitive only and you are taking things in a general stance. Additionally, many changes are minor and don’t need to exist. They only make it better but are not necessary. And an unbalanced game has nothing to do with the amount of players in other modes excluding the competitive ones. But people still play the competitive modes for other reasons, but it could have much higher success if it was actually more focused on. My personal feelings don’t have anything to do with how I feel about the game’s current balance stance.
What I was trying to say was that there are many other roles or mechanics that can be improved and not just Framer. And the reason I implied that other changes could be made, because you said that the TG Framer could not be implemented ‘till Unity, because it required Framer to be made into a two button role and that’s why I started looking into other options.
When TG suggested Dragonclaw’s Framer rework, specifically said that a part of it you focused on the thread and some Disguiser part which didn’t matter at all mostly avoiding the real thing. And now this.
Fair enough. I think the best course of action is to put Framer on the back burner and start discussion on what other roles are in need of some love and can hopefully be fixed without a bunch of client changes.
start discussion on what other roles are in need of some love and can hopefully be fixed
Parallax7 wrote:Achilles wrote:BasicFourLife wrote:Achilles wrote:BasicFourLife wrote:greenrabbit7 wrote:Achilles wrote:I would prefer to buff both the Framer and Disguiser separately instead of combining them into one role.
Hm... Let's see. Alright, I think I can come up with one, but it'll make them a bit... weird.
Disguiser
Spoiler: .
Goal: Mafia goal
Main problem i see here is i think there have been similar and bad roles. I just thought of this on the spot, so...
Framer
Spoiler:
This is chat manipulation and not all that useful without a blackmailer, and can also really fuck up the trial system. but hey, its a thing
This is not a place to suggest ideas that you just thought of.
Edit: Framer is not the only role who needs changes. Move onto others like Retributionist, Vigilante, Neutral Evils, Killings and basically every other role minus a few exceptions.
It’s hard to take your suggestions seriously when you say every role in the game needs fixed. If things were that bad no one would play. It sounds like you won’t be happy until I redesign the entire game to your liking.
I’m talking about competitive only and you are taking things in a general stance. Additionally, many changes are minor and don’t need to exist. They only make it better but are not necessary. And an unbalanced game has nothing to do with the amount of players in other modes excluding the competitive ones. But people still play the competitive modes for other reasons, but it could have much higher success if it was actually more focused on. My personal feelings don’t have anything to do with how I feel about the game’s current balance stance.
What I was trying to say was that there are many other roles or mechanics that can be improved and not just Framer. And the reason I implied that other changes could be made, because you said that the TG Framer could not be implemented ‘till Unity, because it required Framer to be made into a two button role and that’s why I started looking into other options.
When TG suggested Dragonclaw’s Framer rework, specifically said that a part of it you focused on the thread and some Disguiser part which didn’t matter at all mostly avoiding the real thing. And now this.
Fair enough. I think the best course of action is to put Framer on the back burner and start discussion on what other roles are in need of some love and can hopefully be fixed without a bunch of client changes.start discussion on what other roles are in need of some love and can hopefully be fixed
So when we implementin Butcher as a Werewolf replacement???
One thing at a time.BasicFourLife wrote:Edit: Framer is not the only role who needs changes. Move onto others like Retributionist, Vigilante, Neutral Evils, Killings and basically every other role minus a few exceptions.
The problem with the Framer isn't its interaction with the Sheriff. The problem is that it has no interaction with anything but the Sheriff and the Investigator, which makes it extremely unlikely that it will actually accomplish anything -and is sometimes utterly useless because the investigatives are lookouts and spies. (With spies, every investigator visit is actively counterproductive, at least at the moment.)Change the current Alignment Cop to Guilty/Innocent Cop
What this means is that Sheriff only gets Suspicious/Not Suspicious, this isn’t a nerf to the Sheriff but more so of a buff to Neutral Killings allowing them to claim framed due to being paired with Mafia.
This would be a really change, small and easily implementable change.
Kikigiri wrote:The problem with the Framer isn't its interaction with the Sheriff. The problem is that it has no interaction with anything but the Sheriff and the Investigator, which makes it extremely unlikely that it will actually accomplish anything -and is sometimes utterly useless because the investigatives are lookouts and spies. (With spies, every investigator visit is actively counterproductive, at least at the moment.)Change the current Alignment Cop to Guilty/Innocent Cop
What this means is that Sheriff only gets Suspicious/Not Suspicious, this isn’t a nerf to the Sheriff but more so of a buff to Neutral Killings allowing them to claim framed due to being paired with Mafia.
This would be a really change, small and easily implementable change.
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