Mystoc wrote:i may leave more feedback on this later when i can read it the text you use for the names its horrible i cant tell what it says seth, im partially colorblind please change the color
Seththeking wrote:(Also Can I have a Bump?)
Eragon1329 wrote:I like the idea and it seems interesting, but I feel that enforcer is way too overpowered.
Reasoning:being able to instantly execute someone on trial, if its a townie, means that you automatically get one free kill during the day, plus the night kills. also, there is no stopping it. To get to do this twice is almost madness. Imagine a jester with two kills, except still alive and working for a faction. If you could nerf this ability a little I think this role would be much more balanced
imagine a mafia being able to get 2 free day kills, then you'll see what I mean.
also it kinda takes away the only consistent form of killing for the townies, lynching, for two days.
Seththeking wrote:Eragon1329 wrote:I like the idea and it seems interesting, but I feel that enforcer is way too overpowered.
Reasoning:being able to instantly execute someone on trial, if its a townie, means that you automatically get one free kill during the day, plus the night kills. also, there is no stopping it. To get to do this twice is almost madness. Imagine a jester with two kills, except still alive and working for a faction. If you could nerf this ability a little I think this role would be much more balanced
imagine a mafia being able to get 2 free day kills, then you'll see what I mean.
also it kinda takes away the only consistent form of killing for the townies, lynching, for two days.
Remember it is only during Judgement Phase so the person has to be voted up first
Seththeking wrote:(Wait WTF now theirs 2 Horribles? Shilster must be using both their main and Lemonader666 account to vote Horrible)
KingoftheRocks wrote:also of course my combat trial
would end up f***ing a fire slime and become a half reptile
and being won
by giving a slime couple relationship counseling
Eragon1329 wrote:anything 1kpn or under huh?
Coven if used correctly
-PM-kills player a
-Cl-with necro kills player B
-Medusa stoning-most likely 1 person, plus no will shown
-necromancer-most likely a kill here
if I read this correctly this guarantees 2 kills with a likely chance of 2 others, so 4kpn, must be overpowered...
KingoftheRocks wrote:also of course my combat trial
would end up f***ing a fire slime and become a half reptile
and being won
by giving a slime couple relationship counseling
KingoftheRocks wrote:Eragon1329 wrote:anything 1kpn or under huh?
Coven if used correctly
-PM-kills player a
-Cl-with necro kills player B
-Medusa stoning-most likely 1 person, plus no will shown
-necromancer-most likely a kill here
if I read this correctly this guarantees 2 kills with a likely chance of 2 others, so 4kpn, must be overpowered...
Did I say Coven is balanced? No. A large amount of roles in the Coven DLC are fluctuationg wildly in terms of balance. (i.e. Crusader targets Town over Evils, Pshyic is RNG, Pest is outrght a neutral chaos role...) Besides, BMG added in Vampires (and a direct counter), but you know what you don't see on the TG? Conversion roles. (and direct counters.)
TDLR: Coven isn't balanced, and shouldn't be used as an excuse for bad kpn ratios.
KingoftheRocks wrote: I'm Not talking About DLC, I'm Talking about the default version. In the default version their is no Ambusher!
Seththeking wrote:KingoftheRocks wrote:Did I say Coven is balanced? No. A large amount of roles in the Coven DLC are fluctuationg wildly in terms of balance. (i.e. Crusader targets Town over Evils, Pshyic is RNG, Pest is outrght a neutral chaos role...) Besides, BMG added in Vampires (and a direct counter), but you know what you don't see on the TG? Conversion roles. (and direct counters.)
TDLR: Coven isn't balanced, and shouldn't be used as an excuse for bad kpn ratios.
Keep In Mind the two extra Killing roles are not guaranteed plus this isn’t overall such an OP thing
Seththeking wrote:Keep In Mind if you play it right vigi can kill every Government Member (Unlike Mafia)
Seththeking wrote:The sheriff can find all Government members (Unlike Mafia)
Seththeking wrote:Therefore this is as balanced as Mafia is.
Seththeking wrote:And dude 2KPN
Hello dude -Ambusher/GF Combo!!??!!KingoftheRocks wrote: I'm Not talking About DLC, I'm Talking about the default version. In the default version their is no Ambusher!
Well this would be DLC anyway but if you wanna go their fine
KingoftheRocks wrote: I'm not talking about DLC, I'm talking about the vanilla version. In the default version, there is no Ambusher.
Seththeking wrote:Janitor and Forger can remove wills (Government cannot do so)
Mafioso can become Immune (By Going to Godfather, And Again Government cannot do so)
KingoftheRocks wrote:also of course my combat trial
would end up f***ing a fire slime and become a half reptile
and being won
by giving a slime couple relationship counseling
KingoftheRocks wrote:Seththeking wrote:KingoftheRocks wrote:Did I say Coven is balanced? No. A large amount of roles in the Coven DLC are fluctuationg wildly in terms of balance. (i.e. Crusader targets Town over Evils, Pshyic is RNG, Pest is outrght a neutral chaos role...) Besides, BMG added in Vampires (and a direct counter), but you know what you don't see on the TG? Conversion roles. (and direct counters.)
TDLR: Coven isn't balanced, and shouldn't be used as an excuse for bad kpn ratios.
Keep In Mind the two extra Killing roles are not guaranteed plus this isn’t overall such an OP thing
Uh, yeah, it is. A KPN is a faction's most powerful thing at the beginning. The only reason Town (should(damn you ambusher and coven)) get more KPN then any other faction is that they have to figure out who to kill first.Seththeking wrote:Keep In Mind if you play it right vigi can kill every Government Member (Unlike Mafia)
Vigi isn't a guaranteed. Jailor is, though, and he can kill every Mafia Member. (unless there's more then 3. If there's more then 3 Goverment, Vig can't kill them all either. Not a good point.)Seththeking wrote:The sheriff can find all Government members (Unlike Mafia)
That helps balance a little, as 4/4 Goverment does mean you have a slight disadvantage to 3/4 Mafia. Not enough to balance, though.Seththeking wrote:Therefore this is as balanced as Mafia is.
Nope.Seththeking wrote:And dude 2KPN
Hello dude -Ambusher/GF Combo!!??!!KingoftheRocks wrote: I'm Not talking About DLC, I'm Talking about the default version. In the default version their is no Ambusher!
Well this would be DLC anyway but if you wanna go their fine
First:KingoftheRocks wrote: I'm not talking about DLC, I'm talking about the vanilla version. In the default version, there is no Ambusher.
Second, DLC does not give you an excuse to make bad roles with bad KPN ratios. The fact that it's possible to do such in Coven doesn't make it the new normal. As well as the fact that Ambusher is somewhat more balanced, as it reveals itself and isn't really fun to play because of that.Seththeking wrote:Janitor and Forger can remove wills (Government cannot do so)
Mafioso can become Immune (By Going to Godfather, And Again Government cannot do so)
ThatGuy wrote:Assistant can group roleblock/protect from NKs. (Mafia cannot do so.)
Enforcer can kill people on the stand, taking away the Town's most valuable weapon. (Mafia cannot do so without majority, which they have to work for.)
All in all, still ehh about this faction.
Seththeking wrote: An alive goverment member chosen at random.
KingoftheRocks wrote:also of course my combat trial
would end up f***ing a fire slime and become a half reptile
and being won
by giving a slime couple relationship counseling
KingoftheRocks wrote:Wait wait wait waaaiiitttt...
You didn't.Seththeking wrote: An alive goverment member chosen at random.
No bloody RNG. None. Make a list of who visits depending on roles, a priority list. I refuse to have something random be what an entire faction is based off of (other then random KPN rates and taking away Towns voting power).
Seththeking wrote:KingoftheRocks wrote:Wait wait wait waaaiiitttt...
You didn't.Seththeking wrote: An alive goverment member chosen at random.
No bloody RNG. None. Make a list of who visits depending on roles, a priority list. I refuse to have something random be what an entire faction is based off of (other then random KPN rates and taking away Towns voting power).
Alright, Changed
KingoftheRocks wrote:also of course my combat trial
would end up f***ing a fire slime and become a half reptile
and being won
by giving a slime couple relationship counseling
KingoftheRocks wrote:Seththeking wrote:KingoftheRocks wrote:Wait wait wait waaaiiitttt...
You didn't.Seththeking wrote: An alive goverment member chosen at random.
No bloody RNG. None. Make a list of who visits depending on roles, a priority list. I refuse to have something random be what an entire faction is based off of (other then random KPN rates and taking away Towns voting power).
Alright, Changed
Oh, cool!
Wah…
You do know players can't control the order of houses, and it's completely RNG? It was the main problem with my Neighbor, which depended on houses before I found out they're RNG.
May want to change it again, mate.
All Government can vote to kill a player using the Red Night Button
Majority Government determines who dies
If their is no Majority the Government won’t kill anyone
All Government roles are Unique
Sheriff: Your Target is a Member Of The Government!
Spy: You will know who the Government Visits
Lookout: You Will see an Alive Government player visit the dead target (Decided by the last one who voted for the killed player)
Governor
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Role: Assistant
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Role: Administrator
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Role: Hacker
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Role: Enforcer
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Role: Agent
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Role: Researcher
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Role: Executive
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Ranked
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ICECLIMBERS wrote:Stop acting like a ringleader bigot, goose.
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