MaskedPokerFace wrote:Townies doesnot need to kill someone..if townies start to kill so all town become mafia.. A side must stay innocent.
FreezingFire127 wrote:MaskedPokerFace wrote:Townies doesnot need to kill someone..if townies start to kill so all town become mafia.. A side must stay innocent.
If town doesn’t need to kill, then why is there a town killing alignment?
HereThereEverywhere wrote:This takes way too long to kill, it will most likely never use all three charges. Normal games usually last 6-7 days, so you might get in two attempted kills before the game ends.
It takes skill out of Vigilante, and it's just a worse one overall. Vigilantes actually have to scumread and pick who to kill, this would just go down the list and wait until they kill someone. It's highly unlikely you would ever kill more than one Townie in a game, because you occupy TK and it's not incredibly likely to have another in the game, so Jailor is the thing you need to look out for. You also admitted to knowing you were making a Vigilante clone, so just don't make one. VH isn't Vigi for Vampires, but this is just a legitimately worse clone of Vigi. Vampire Hunter at the very least is necessary for Vampires to not be OP, but this solves no problem like that, it's just bad. Don't use the excuse that "Vampire Hunter exists, so can this!" when Vampire Hunter has a very important purpose that this has none of.
HereThereEverywhere wrote:This takes way too long to kill, it will most likely never use all three charges. Normal games usually last 6-7 days, so you might get in two attempted kills before the game ends. Most, not all
It takes skill out of Vigilante, and it's just a worse one overallWorse? It’s able to kill NK. Vigilantes actually have to scumread and pick who to killAlways random shoots anyways & kills townies, this would just go down the list and wait until they kill someone. It's highly unlikely you would ever kill more than one Townie in a game, because you occupy TK Unless you play all any and it's not incredibly likely to have another in the game Let me do the math, (Might’ve did this wrong) there would be 3 possible killing roles, Vig, Vet and Blacksmith. So there would be a 33.3% chance from TK in ranked or ranked practice. So lets add RT into it, there would be 15 roles (I don’t have coven) (Replaced Jailor with Blacksmith) & that becomes a 6.6% chance. Because there’s 3 RT, lets times that by 3, it becomes a 20% chance. With that out of the way, I’m going to find the percentage from every role. There’s 32 possible roles (Including Blacksmith, not including Coven DLC roles) which brings a 3.125% to the game. So adding RT & TK, you get 53.3%, so Jailor is the thing you need to look out for Not in All any. You also admitted to knowing you were making a Vigilante clone, so just don't make one. VH isn't Vigi for Vampires, but this is just a legitimately worse clone of Vigi This is made to counter NK, with consequences such as having to wait an extra night . Vampire Hunter at the very least is necessary for Vampires to not be OP, but this solves no problem like that, it's just bad Made to counter NK while still giving them a chance. Don't use the excuse that "Vampire Hunter exists, so can this!" I’m not when Vampire Hunter has a very important purpose that this has none of. Made to counter NK, hence the powerful attack
Seththeking wrote:before You all start dishing this role
Here is what it does because people are dumb minded and people don't read properly so let me explain this role.
During the first 2 nights you do absolutely nothing
During the 3rd night you can choose to attack someone dealing them a Powerful Attack
It's a very good role, It's like a Mix of Veteran and Vigilante so next time before you type actually fuckin read the dam role!!!
HereThereEverywhere wrote:You didn't explain why that's good. It's not good. Read what other people say before insulting them
MaskedPokerFace wrote:Seththeking wrote:before You all start dishing this role
Here is what it does because people are dumb minded and people don't read properly so let me explain this role.
During the first 2 nights you do absolutely nothing
During the 3rd night you can choose to attack someone dealing them a Powerful Attack
It's a very good role, It's like a Mix of Veteran and Vigilante so next time before you type actually fuckin read the dam role!!!
Lol what? any comment wasnot about role it was about alignment...
HereThereEverywhere wrote:Worse overall as in balance-wise. Strong roles do not mean balanced roles, so just because it can kill NK - which is incredibly unfair, the reason Vigilante can't kill them - that doesn't mean it's good. Killing NK is unfair because when NK dies, they lose, that's it. If a Mafia member dies, their team can still win. If Exe dies, they might have already won. Jester can win before the game even ends. Witch has to live until the end too, but that's why it has the vest and the ability to claim Town easily.
All Any does not count for balance. Don't use it to justify a role, because All Any is unbalanced as fuck.
Oh, and again about the NK - Vigilante counters it. If you hit an immune, you reveal in the daytime and get the immune lynched. That's fair, that's okay, and it counters NK. But this is unfair, NK has no way to avoid it. NK are literally the hardest roles to win as, we don't need a role to specifically counter them.
FreezingFire127 wrote:HereThereEverywhere wrote:You didn't explain why that's good. It's not good. Read what other people say before insulting them
I don’t realize that other people’s opinions determine what other people say. If you say something, we’ll all branch off of what you say & ignore what we truly think
FreezingFire127 wrote:MaskedPokerFace wrote:Seththeking wrote:before You all start dishing this role
Here is what it does because people are dumb minded and people don't read properly so let me explain this role.
During the first 2 nights you do absolutely nothing
During the 3rd night you can choose to attack someone dealing them a Powerful Attack
It's a very good role, It's like a Mix of Veteran and Vigilante so next time before you type actually fuckin read the dam role!!!
Lol what? any comment wasnot about role it was about alignment...
Nothing about the role? Read thisHereThereEverywhere wrote:Worse overall as in balance-wise. Strong roles do not mean balanced roles, so just because it can kill NK - which is incredibly unfair, the reason Vigilante can't kill them - that doesn't mean it's good. Killing NK is unfair because when NK dies, they lose, that's it. If a Mafia member dies, their team can still win. If Exe dies, they might have already won. Jester can win before the game even ends. Witch has to live until the end too, but that's why it has the vest and the ability to claim Town easily.
All Any does not count for balance. Don't use it to justify a role, because All Any is unbalanced as fuck.
Oh, and again about the NK - Vigilante counters it. If you hit an immune, you reveal in the daytime and get the immune lynched. That's fair, that's okay, and it counters NK. But this is unfair, NK has no way to avoid it. NK are literally the hardest roles to win as, we don't need a role to specifically counter them.
HereThereEverywhere wrote:This role could be improved upon, by being totally reworked and made different. Until then, it's overall not a good role for the reasons I've said, and does not work. Instead of calling me out, you can state your opinion and support it with fact or not post at all, anything else is the real waste of time.
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