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Postby SirCakez » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:33 pm

13D: Just Desserts


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Rules

1) Awards - This is not an official episode, so there's no official prize. Bragging rights always apply.

2) Be respectful - Self explanatory. Please contact us if you believe this rule is not being followed.

3) Inactivity - If a player has not interacted with the game in a period of 36 hours they will be prodded. If the player remains inactive for another 18 hours they will be replaced. Three prods will result in a replacement.

4) Labeling Private Messages - Night Actions, Day Actions, Last wills, Death Notes and Whispers should all be sent with their subject lines accordingly:

    Night Actions - "Night Action"
    Day Actions - "Day Action"
    Whisper - "Whisper to (whisper target)"
    Last Will - "Last Will"
    Death Note - "Death Note"

Whispers are in play. Each player will have 4 whispers a day, with a 200-character limit. To send a whisper, send a message to Gent and I with exactly what you'd like to say, then one of us will pass it on to the recipient. Do not directly message someone.

Send all actions to myself and TrueGent.

5) Flavour - Flavour will be from the perspective of the players, do not use flavour to come to conclusions or prove a point. Kill flavor WILL be in effect.

6) Codes - No codes or encryptions will be allowed. Signals are still available for use.

7) Changes - Below is a list filled with appropriate links and rolecards of the changes being used in this game.

    There is no day 1 lynch. Day 1 will last 24 hours. All other days will last 120 hours and nights will last 48 hours.
    Spy and Agent will use their whisper-tapping variants, listed below.
    All other roles will use their listed variants in the Role Cards thread.
    Only one Cit can roll in Random Town, Town Power cannot roll in Random Town, Mafia Head cannot roll in Random Mafia

TrueGent's ECO will be in use for this game.

Updated rolecards inside:
Spoiler:
Spy

You are a Spy.

Your alignment is Town Investigative.

You were once used in battle with the goal of gaining information about enemy tactics.
You were able to retire young, having gained the support of the military who in turn paid you very handsomely.
However, your stay in the town of Salem does not remain the peaceful retirement you once envisioned due to the Mafia invasion.

You can choose one player to spy on during the day and hear all whispers that player has sent to others.
You also have the ability to see who the Mafia visit at night. You will not know what Mafia role visited which player; all you will know is that they were visited by a member of the Mafia.

You win with the Town
You win with Survivors
You must kill the Mafia
You must kill Arsonists
You must kill Witches
You must kill Serial Killers
You must kill Stalkers
You must kill Bombers
You may spare anyone else

Agent

You are an Agent

Your alignment is Mafia Support.

You were a brilliant Spy in your early days, one of the best in the country. However, on one mission, you were captured - by the Godfather.
To your great surprise, he wanted to help you retire after all your years of service. The deal was simple. Use your talents to collect sensitive information from the Town, and he will rule to grant you whatever you want in this silly little town.

You can choose one player to spy on during the day. You will hear all whispers involving that player, both sent and received.
Each night, you also have the ability to plant a bug on a person. The bug will allow you to see who they visit that night, or if they do at all.
You can communicate with your allies each night , for as long as they are alive.

Your allies are [x] the [role], [x] the [role], and [x] the [role]

You win with the Mafia
You win with Survivors
You win with Witches
You must kill the Town
You must kill Arsonists
You must kill Serial Killers
You must kill Stalkers
You must kill Bombers
You may spare anyone else


9) Voting etiquette - Please bold your votes as well as avoiding putting them inside paragraphs. Votes are solitary creatures, put them in their own special paragraph by themselves. Unvotes are not required to change your vote.

10) Fun: The most important rule is to have fun because this is a game and shouldn't be treated as anything aside from that. Also, this game is CL-ish HC, meaning it is a more relaxed and more "just for funsies" game state. Please treat it as such, as most players here just want to have a good time.

Rolelist

Town Power
Town Investigative
Town Protective
Town Killing
Town Support
Random Town
Random Town
Random Town
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen


Mafia Head
Mafia Support
Mafia Deception
Random Mafia


Neutral Benign
Neutral Evil
Neutral Killing
Random Neutral



Role Classifications and Results

Investigator results
Spoiler: Your target has no dirt on them at all! Citizen/Mayor/GF
Your target pays attention to every little detail! Investigator/Lawyer/Consigliere/Disguiser
Your target has a connection to the dead! Medium/Retributionist/Janitor/Phantom/Shade
Your target is a not so subtle manipulator! Escort/Consort/Jester
Your target deals with a lot of secret information! Transporter/Spy/Agent/Prankster
Your target is very detached and reserved from the rest! Lookout/Blackmailer/Amnesiac/Witch
Your target is very good at persuasion! Sheriff/Jailor/Caporegime/Survivor
Your target has a burning passion in their job! Doctor/Firebrand/Mafioso/Arsonist/Executioner
Your target confronts death each and every night! Bodyguard/Vigilante/Serial Killer
Your target devoted themselves to their career! Marshal/Veteran/Stalker/Bomber/Double
Your target has documents the incriminate them as the Framer!


Role alignments:
Town Power: Mayor, Lawyer, Retributionist, Jailor
Town Investigative: Investigator, Lookout, Sheriff, Spy
Town Protective: Bodyguard, Doctor, Marshal
Town Support: Escort, Medium, Transporter
Town Killing: Veteran, Vigilante, Firebrand

Mafia Head: Godfather, Caporegime
Mafia Tactical: Mafioso, Blackmailer
Mafia Support: Agent, Consort, Consigliere
Mafia Deception: Disguiser, Framer, Janitor, Prankster

Neutral Benign: Survivor, Amnesiac, Phantom, Double, Shade
Neutral Evil: Jester, Executioner, Witch, Bomber
Neutral Killing: Arsonist, Serial Killer, Stalker

Unique roles:
Mayor, Lawyer, Retributionist, Jailor, Transporter, Godfather, Mafioso, Caporegime, Witch

Players
1. OctoOoze - Survived - Citizen
3. mdb1023 - Survived - Amnesiac-turned-Bodyguard
4. RHawkeye - Survived - Spy
5. ChubbyMooshroom9 - Survived - Citizen
7. Timurtheking - Survived - Citizen
10. Nopingout jane01 - Survived - Citizen
11. ElusiveBelle - Survived - Doctor
12. xUltiix - Survived - Mayor
15. glhf3 - Survived - Investigator
17. ICECLIMBERS - Survived - Marshal

Graveyard:
19. Schultz128 - Lynched day 2 - Arsonist
6. Varanus - Shot by Mafia night 2 - Cleaned
9. BS4125 EpicShots - Lynched day 3 - Janitor
20. TheParanoidAndroid - Committed suicide due to paranoia from a Stalker day 3 - Jester
13. HalkInHunt - Shot by Mafia night 3 - Vigilante
18. Ralozey - Shot by Vigilante night 3 - Bodyguard
14. spretznaz roz1roz - Committed suicide due to paranoia from a Stalker night 3 - Godfather
2. EvilDeanius0 - Lynched day 4 - Stalker
16. hereisme - Forfeited night 4 - Agent
16. JamesD28 - Forfeited night 4 - Consigliere

ISOs:
Spoiler: Credit to hereisme
ISOs - They all work.
SirCakez
OctoOoze
EvilDeanius0
mdb1023
RHawkeye
ChubbyMooshroom9
Varanus
Timurtheking
JamesD28
BS4125/EpicShots
Nopingout/jane01
ElusiveBelle
xUltiix
HalkInHunt
spretznaz/roz1roz
glhf3
hereisme
ICECLIMBERS
Ralozey
Schultz128
TheParanoidAndroid

Timeline:
Day 1
Day 2
Day 3
Day 4
Endgame
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Re: 13D: Just Desserts - Setting Up

Postby SirCakez » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:34 pm

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Re: 13D: Just Desserts - Setting Up

Postby SirCakez » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:34 pm

Gonna roll the rolelist now! Sit tight.
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Re: 13D: Just Desserts - Setting Up

Postby SirCakez » Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:47 pm

Announcement: the Spy and Agent rolecard we're using are being tweaked so that the 24-hour tapping restriction is removed! If that changes your desire to play in the game, lemme know and I'll replace you.
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Re: 13D: Just Desserts - Setting Up

Postby SirCakez » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:00 pm

We got ourselves a brand spanking new rolelist ready to go! Expect rolecards soon....
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Re: 13D: Just Desserts - Setting Up

Postby SirCakez » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:23 pm

All rolecards are out! I will open the thread up for day 1 in the morning, to give everyone time to find their rolecards and prepare and what not.
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Re: 13D: Just Desserts - Setting Up

Postby SirCakez » Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:45 am

It was a big world out there. Not only just cake, but also ice cream, pie, Jell-o, pudding, cupcakes, candy, fruit, and much more awaited the 20 in the Land of Desserts.

Day 1 begins!
Day will end Sunday, 8:45 AM, CDT (UTC-6).

There is no lynch.
Please post at least once today to confirm your spot in the game.
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Re: 13D: Just Desserts | Day 1 | Land of Desserts

Postby timurtheking » Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:51 am

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Re: 13D: Just Desserts | Day 1 | Land of Desserts

Postby jane01 » Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:02 am

Hello!
Jezz92 wrote:
Nopingout wrote:do you come from a land down under

where women glow and men thunder

CANT YOU HEAR, CANT YOU HEAR THE THUNDERRRRRR
YOU BETTER RUN, YOU BETTER TAKE COVERRRRRR
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Re: 13D: Just Desserts | Day 1 | Land of Desserts

Postby JamesD28 » Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:04 am

Dammit I'm hungry now
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Re: 13D: Just Desserts | Day 1 | Land of Desserts

Postby roz1roz » Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:05 am

Someone tell me if it's 120/48 cause host doesn't ubderstand it and ot's not posted in rules ._.
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Postby jane01 » Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:08 am

roz1roz wrote:Someone tell me if it's 120/48 cause host doesn't ubderstand it and ot's not posted in rules ._.

I think so, apart from day 1
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where women glow and men thunder

CANT YOU HEAR, CANT YOU HEAR THE THUNDERRRRRR
YOU BETTER RUN, YOU BETTER TAKE COVERRRRRR
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Re: 13D: Just Desserts | Day 1 | Land of Desserts

Postby SirCakez » Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:13 am

roz1roz wrote:Someone tell me if it's 120/48 cause host doesn't ubderstand it and ot's not posted in rules ._.

Can confirm it is, apart from day 1 like jane said.
Was not up to date with that piece of lingo <.<
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Re: 13D: Just Desserts | Day 1 | Land of Desserts

Postby Schultz128 » Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:18 am

WELL FUCK MY ASS AND CALL ME TRUEGENT, THAT'S A VILLA RAND
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Postby Schultz128 » Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:19 am

@SirCakez Can Town Power roll in RT and can Mafia Head roll in RM?
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Re: 13D: Just Desserts | Day 1 | Land of Desserts

Postby TheParanoidAndroid » Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:22 am

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Postby TheParanoidAndroid » Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:23 am

Schultz128 wrote:WELL FUCK MY ASS AND CALL ME TRUEGENT, THAT'S A VILLA RAND


/vote Schultz you spent too much effort for it to be villa smh
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Re: 13D: Just Desserts | Day 1 | Land of Desserts

Postby timurtheking » Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:24 am

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Re: 13D: Just Desserts | Day 1 | Land of Desserts

Postby HalkInHunt » Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:25 am

First

I am going to be using these behavioral cues as a baseline for judging whether someone is Town or Scum:

Townie behavior

Being active - If you are making the bare minimum of the post requirement you are probably not posting enough. Being active does two things. 1) Makes it easier for people to give you a town read and 2) prevents Scum from winning simply from lurking the whole game.
Asking probing questions - this is a huge part of the game. If you are not asking questions to players, you best have a really good reason for why. Asking questions help in a multitude of different reasons and a thread could probably be made just on this but here are a few. 1) It tells Town that you are actively trying to solve the game which can help you get a town read. 2) Obviously if you ask a question you are going to get some information out of it even if they don't answer which can help you to clinch that scum read you were thinking about or help clear someone from possibly getting lynch that is Town. 3) It can stop you from assuming something about someone by simply asking a question like "What do you mean?" or "Why?" or "Could you explain your thought process here?"
Providing a conclusion - Simply providing a rundown of what has happened in the thread can help, but it helps 10X more when you provide what your thoughts are about what has happened means rather than simply stating facts. Conclusions should be logically sound and not something used as WIFOM to be effective. Your conclusion should be Inductive or Deductive reasoning and something that is not easily refutable. An accurate conclusion doesn't have to be a super complex thing, it can simply be used to tell if what someone says is true or not
Putting in effort into the game - Play every game like you want to win and if you can't do that, don't play. Showing effort may not be AI, but based on the content that is produced from putting in effort very well could be.
SCUM HUNTING -admittedly this looks different for different playstyles, but it should be obvious that you are doing it. I expect each and every person in this game to Scum hunt since that is the basic fundamental basis for a mountainous game. If you are not Scum hunting, I will be raining fire down on your ass.
Observing reactions - It is one things to make plays yourself, but it’s on another level altogether to observe and make a conclusion on a conversation that you were not even a part of. Keep your eyes sharp and watch everything that happens in the thread and comment on what what observations and conclusions you have made. Often the best posts are ones that have a lot of people involved in a single conversation and it sometimes just takes someone with the wherewithal to conclude what several people have said about a single topic. I admit this is very difficult for me to do personally.
Making new points - if you are making new points on things and providing new analysis to the game, this shows that you are actively trying to solve the game. This is something that is Townie because Scum have a harder time to come up with new legitimate things to analyze in the game.



Scummy behavior

Posting WAY too much - If you are taking up a large chunk of the total post in the thread you are posting way too much and are not allowing discussion from happening between many people that would otherwise have plenty to say about the game and to each other. This is mostly a problem if you are posting fluff, but if you have half the post in the game, you are going to need to relax a bit. I have been guilty of this on may occasions.
Posting too little - If you are posting the bare minimum of the post requirement you are not giving town enough to work with. Even if you are just posting the bare minimum and making huge gigantic posts with one liners, this does not help town win for two reasons 1) It keeps people from even wanting to read that monster, let alone respond to everything you have said and 2) It does a lot of harm for the thread to flow organically. If people are not responding to things as they come up then there is really no change of opinion for people when you are bringing up a lot of old information that can get addressed relatively easily by just letting people think about a couple topics at a time and being able to then come up with a conclusion. This is not the same as an ISO where you are quoting many posts from a specific person.
Extreme WIFOM - While debatably WIFOM has its place even as a Town tactic, if all you are doing is that, then you are not helping Town narrow down possibilities, but instead creating conversations that don't lead to anywhere.
Low effort posting - while effort isn’t indicative of alignment, if all you are doing is making low effort posts i.e. just one liners, I am going to assume you are just trying to coast as Mafia to get an easy win by watching Town tear itself apart.
Voting for yourself without a really good reason - While it's really easy sometimes to throw up a vote for yourself, most of the time it creates a ton of unnecessary WIFOM and is rarely productive for Town to help in finding scum debatably. I don’t want to see anyone doing this in this game because this game is mountainous. I only expect Scum to do it to hammer themselves to take time away from Town.
IIoA (information instead of analysis) - This is where you are stating facts but are not providing any kind of conclusion on what this means. Almost anyone has the capability of giving facts that have happened in the thread, but if you are not telling what that means, it just ends up being a recap of events that doesn't add anything new.
Sheeping too much- While sheeping as an isolated incident isn’t a Scum tell, doing it over and over without ever providing any of your own thoughts out there is Scummy.



Note that these are only a baseline and I will be looking at a lot more things, but obviously I can’t tell you everything I am going to look at to judge whether someone is Scum or not. The other part of this is that I tend to look at motivation a lot and try to judge whether someone is making X post as Town or Scum and this will usually trump any of these above behaviors.

It is my humble opinion that this setup is ridiculously Scum sided. Not only does Town not have a single PR to dead with the odds against them, but Scum also have Day Chat. Evidence of this is seen in the fact that every Scum team has won for the first 4 completed games in the MC. I would have voted for 14:3 without Day Chat for Scum. With that said, If all Town follow these guidelines, I feel this will give Town an edge. So let's not let these Scum $#@!s rule our destiny!



Some things about me and some possible difficulties in reading me:

I sometimes say some things that people don’t understand or they don’t think my reasoning is valid. If I do this, don’t just assume I am Scum for me saying this. Instead I will ask that you ask me about what I meant so I can try and articulate myself better saying roughly the same things with more or different words used and more explanation given.
I don’t believe RVS (Random Voting Stage) is conductive to produce content any better than any other method so I’m going to avoid it because I think there are better things you can lead off with than that.
We are lynching D1, period. Statistically speaking, Town has a better chance of winning when there is a lynch D1, at least where I come from.
I am a very strong believer that a reason should always be given for a vote and if a reasons is not given, it should be blindingly obvious why you are voting for who you are voting for. What this does is forces Scum to have to come up with reasons for their votes, which Scum have a more difficult time with coming up with believable reads than Town. That said, sometimes the reasons I give are not "accepted" reasons due to their "out-of-the-box" nature.
I prefer as playing as Town for a few reasons. First reason is that I don’t feel as much pressure to perform as Town and I can just play being me. Secondly, I feel EVERYONE should prioritise their Town game over Scum game for the very simple fact that you will statistically play as Town far more often that anything else.

With that said, I am ecstatic I am Town this game!


P-edit you stole my first :o I am writing so slow :(
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Postby TheParanoidAndroid » Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:28 am

"Posting WAY too much - If you are taking up a large chunk of the total post in the thread you are posting way too much and are not allowing discussion from happening between many people that would otherwise have plenty to say about the game and to each other"

Guess I'm getting scumread f
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Postby HalkInHunt » Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:28 am

TheParanoidAndroid wrote:"Posting WAY too much - If you are taking up a large chunk of the total post in the thread you are posting way too much and are not allowing discussion from happening between many people that would otherwise have plenty to say about the game and to each other"

Guess I'm getting scumread f

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You'll realize once you finish reading it
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Postby HalkInHunt » Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:31 am

Schultz128 wrote:WELL FUCK MY ASS AND CALL ME TRUEGENT, THAT'S A VILLA RAND

Well this was easy Schultz is town
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Postby ElusiveBelle » Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:31 am

Good luck with that Halk seems good :thumbsup:
Seems kinda over the top though but whatever floats your goat my dood.

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Postby TheParanoidAndroid » Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:32 am

Whoa why did you need to specify that were lynching I don't think there's been a game where no ones been lynched d1 non mechanically
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Re: 13D: Just Desserts | Day 1 | Land of Desserts

Postby HalkInHunt » Sat Sep 23, 2017 8:33 am

TheParanoidAndroid wrote:
Schultz128 wrote:WELL FUCK MY ASS AND CALL ME TRUEGENT, THAT'S A VILLA RAND


/vote Schultz you spent too much effort for it to be villa smh

Yeh but as scum he would spend this effort into something towny rather then writing fancy villa rand post

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Really ? lol

TheParanoidAndroid wrote:Whoa why did you need to specify that were lynching I don't think there's been a game where no ones been lynched d1 non mechanically

You'll get it
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