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Postby Joacgroso » Sat Sep 16, 2017 10:56 am

So... I have a few suggestions about achievements and I wanted to post them here. If you have another suggestion about adding/removing/reworking achievements, please post it here.

The problem with the achievements is that most of them encourage bad plays, gamethrowing, or depend of luck. Only a few of them actually reward good plays. To prove this, I will quote Kikigiri:
Spoiler:
Kikigiri wrote:And I'm actually skeptical about the "do X" achievements. Yes, they require actions, but those actions are sometimes not the ones that will help you win - in particular, nearly all the Mayor achievements can infamously encourage bad play. The Escort / Consort achievements can, too. And a few achievements (the ones for targeting yourself when that's normally impossible) just happen at random. Honestly, there are very few achievements that are both a matter of skill and ones that reward you for doing something that definitely helped you win.

Just going down the Achievement list, honestly, the vast majority of achievements are way worse than this - much more random, and often actively encouraging bad behavior:

All the general achievements are purely for being on the winning side. If you're not on your own, you can get them at random (especially the Townie ones.)

Same for all the Win as X achievements. I'm skipping those below, but all of them can be won just by being lucky enough to be on the winning side, even if you die N1.

The Escort achievements are where it really starts to go off the rails. One achievement is just for RBing anyone, anyone at all (I guess technically it's something you should be doing, but how do you not get that?) One achievement is for roleblocking yourself, which is totally random. And one achievement is for... dying to a SK, something you would almost never want to do deliberately!

Invest achievements are similar. One for "use your ability once", which is silly, and one for investigating yourself, which is random.

Jailors have the flawless achievement, which is good, and then the execute anyone achievement, which is not, and the "Die to a SK" achievement, which is insane and encourages you to actively suicide on a known SK.

Mayors I mentioned. All their achievements are bad. I'd argue revealing D1 is a more valid strategy than people think in some modes, although that's certainly controversial, but "Faith in the Town" and "Incognito" both flatly reward bad play.

The Medium achievements... uh, you have one for seancing the Arsonist, Godfather, and Serial Killer. What. What. These are just flatly all terrible and reward you for doing something that is almost always stupid. They ought to be something like Mayor, Veteran, and Vigilante or the like. (These achievements are also problematic in that they expose evils, which can be bad if there's a second Medium, but that's a deeper problem - IMHO achievements should be awarded at the end of the game and not revealed until then to avoid this.)

Retributionists have achievements for reviving Doctors, Sheriffs, and Jailors. Meh. The last one is obvious, but I'm not sure why they have achievements for the first two, especially for Sheriffs. Reviving a doc makes sense if you have a confirmed BG to pair them with, I guess, but since BGs are harder to confirm you'd usually be reviving a BG to do that instead. At least they're not completely awful like the Medium and Mayor ones.

The spy achievements are mostly random stuff you'll get just for being a Spy.

Veterans have one for not killing any Town, which is good, and then one for not alerting at all (usually bad) and one for killing three people without regard for what side they're on, which is also usually bad.

Vigilantes have an achievement for shooting three immunes - or for shooting the same immune three times. And they have one for... shooting themselves, which is both random and terrible!

BMers have an achievement for BMing themselves or another member of the Mafia.

Consigs have an achievement for finding the GF.

Consorts have all terrible achievements - RB yourself, RB the SK and die, and RB the Godfather. Wha? They have two achievements that are only possible with a transporter or witch, and all of their achievements are stuff you wouldn't want to have happen.

Disguisers have an achievement for displaying a fake role on death. This sounds good until you realize that it literally just means "die as a disguiser who visits every night."

Forgers, Framers, and Hypnotists all have achievements for targeting themselves, and another achievement for targeting a fellow Mafia member, both of which are random and both of which are undesirable. And Janitors have an achievement for cleaning themselves.

Mafioso have an achievement for being promoted to GF, which literally means they get an achievement for the GF dying. And yes, I have actually seen a Mafioso get their GF killed, deliberately, in order to get this achievement. (Of course I reported it, but the point is the achievement is bad.)

Arsonists have an achievement for igniting themselves.

Survivors have an achievement for never vesting.

Hex Master has an achievement for hexing a fellow Coven member.

Necromancer gets an achievement for reviving Pestilence. (I'm pointing this one out because while it's sometimes necessary, reanimating Pestilence makes the Necromancer die, and there's no real indication or warning of this.)

Pirates have an achievement for losing 10 duels (of course, it's Pirate, so all their achievements are totally random.)

Ambushers have achievements for ambushing Werewolves and Pestilence. As a reminder, Ambushers have only a basic attack and no defense, while Werewolves and Pest attack all visitors, so if you do either of these you'll die and the WW / Pest won't.

Crusaders likewise have an achievement for attacking Pestilence, which is, again, suicidal.

Psychics have an achievement for being RBed three times.

Anyway, my point is: This achievement would at least encourage good play. Many existing achievements don't even do that, and many are far more random to boot. Huge swaths of the achievements, especially for the Mafia, reward you for mostly-random bad stuff happening to you!

As you can see, only a few achievements reward skilled plays.
My suggestion is removing ALL the gamethrowing/silly achievements. Since some roles would have no achievements, I would also like to suggest some.

Achievement rework


First of all, every role should have an achievement for getting all its achievements. If a player gets that achievement, he should be rewarded with a lobby icon of the role (not the face of the skin. I mean the picture that appears at the left of the achievements). There should also be an achievement for having ALL achievements for ALL roles, which should be rewarded with something REALLY good. Of course, there should also be "Get all achievements of X faction".

Secondly, I would like to suggest the "loop" achievements. Players would be able to get this achievements infinite times, so they can be rewarded for their good plays. Also, once you get the achievement for winning 25 times with a role, the achievement for winning 5 times should become a loop achievement.

Thirdly, achievements should be displayed AFTER a game ends, so they can't spoil you the roles of certain players.

And finally, players shouldn't get achievements that they unlocked due to a party member. For example, if they are a sheriff, and one of their partymates is mafia, then they wouldn't get achievements for finding mafia. If a consigliere found a jailor, but he was a party member, he shouldn't get the achievement. This would make achievement farming way harder.

Now that I suggested it, I would like to show how the achievement list would be (I will only write the achievements that should be added/removed/modified. I won't write the "win x times" or "get all achievements" achievements):
Spoiler: General achievements:
- Be acquitted with at least 8 innocent votes. - I'm just a townie
- Be acquitted as evil with at least 5 townies voting inno - Tricked you!
- Be witched into visiting the person you were going to visit. - Get out of my head!
- Win as a dead townie with a medium alive 1, 5, 10 and 25 times. - Still useful
- Win with all the members of your faction still alive (loop, doen't apply to solo factions).
- Win a game as mafia, coven, NK or Pestilence without being put on trial or being killed by a jailor or vigilante. (loop) - Never suspected
- Talk at least once every night while you are alive, at least for 4 nights. (applies to mafia, coven and vampires) - Sharing my thoughts
- Vote guilty during the lynch of 3 evildoers in one game. (loop, only for town roles) - Smart townie
- Reach 1400 elo. - Golden boy
- Reach 1600 elo. - Not a noob
- Reach 1800 elo. - Town of Salem master
- Reach 2000 elo. - Town of Salem god
- Be in a game where 15 players have a default name. - The original town of Salem
- Win a game as town where there were only 2 townies from the start (applies if townies leave before night 2). - Justice prevails
- Win a game as mafia where you were the only mafia member from the start (applies if mafia leaves before night 2). - Lone killer
- Win a game as coven where you were the only coven member from the start (applies if coven leaves before night 2). - Lone spellcaster
- Win 1 game of X gamemode.*
- Win 50 games of X gamemode.*
- Win as a coven member in VIP. - Against the odds
- Win 1 game of every gamemode. - Try everything
- Win 50 game of every gamemode. - Good at everything
- Have 1000 games played. - Passionate
- Have 2000 games played. - Expert
- Have 3000 games played. - Veteran
- Have 5000 games played. - Obsessed
- Judge 1 report in the trial sistem. - Rookie
- Judge 100 reports in the trial sistem. - Judge

*The names for this achievements could be:
Win 1 game in Classic: Humble Beginnings
Win 50 games in Classic: Experienced
Win 1 game in ranked practice:Gearing up
Win 50 games in ranked practice: Ready for Ranked
Win 1 game in ranked: Competitive Player
Win 50 games in ranked: Ranked Expert
Win 1 game in custom: Too Many Roles
Win 50 games in custom: Infinite Possibilities
Win 1 game in rapid mode: Think Fast!
Win 50 games in rapid mode: Gotta Go Fast
Win 1 game in all any: A Victor Amidst the Chaos
Win 50 games in all any: Master of Chaos
Win 1 game in rainbow: Too many factions!
Win 50 games in rainbow: Taste the Rainbow
Win 1 game in lovers: Survived the love
Win 50 games in lovers: All's fair in love and war
Win 1/5/10/25 times as a lover: Be my valentine/Saint Valentine's day/Love always wins/Love paradise.
Win 1 game in VIP: Who is important?
Win 50 games in VIP: Most important person


Bodyguard:
- Succesfully save 2 players in a game (loop). - Heroes never die
- Succesfully protect the doctor who is healing you. - Got your back
- Succesfully save the jailor, the mayor or a retri that hasn't used his ability. - Town hero

Doctor:
- Heal a townie who was attacked (note that this achievement would only be given to you if you heal a town member instead of any player. Of course, achievements should be displayed after the game ends). - Need medical attention?
- Save 3 townies in 1 game (loop).
- Where does it hurt?
- Heal a bodyguard who was going to die protecting his target. - Save the hero
- Save a TI the night he found an evildoer. - Still got you!
- Save the same townie 3 times in a game. - Stop trying!
- Save a townie from dying to poison - Antidote
- Save 3 townies from dying to poison in one game - Serum

Escort:
- Remove "roleblock yourself", "die to SK" and "roleblock someone" achievements.
- Roleblock a killing role and prevent him from killing. More important things to do.
- Succesfully roleblock an evildoer three times in a game. (loop) - Evil-stopper
- Roleblock a serial killer while you are being protected by a doctor. - Two knives, one stab, one heal
- Roleblock a vigilante who was going to be controlled that night.
- Sexier More attactive Prettier than the witch

Investigator:
- Remove "succesfully investigate someone" and "investigate yourself".
- Investigate an evildoer. - Gotcha!
- Find 3 different evildoers in 1 game (loop).
- Sherlock Holmes
- Successfully investigate an evildoer at night and have them get hung the next day.- You can always count on me

Jailor:
- Remove "be killed by the SK you jailed" and "succesfully execute someone".
- Succesfully execute an evildoer. - Death sentence
- Execute 3 non-town members in a game (loop). - Flawless executioner
- Save your jailed townie from being killed at night.
- Witness protection program
- Execute the gf and a NK in a single game. - May the strongest one survive
- Execute an executioner before he gets his target lynched. - That's MY job


Lookout:
- Remove "succesfully watch someone at night".
- Find an evildoer (this would apply to killers, blackmailers and witches). - In fraganti
- Find 2 town protectives in 1 night.
- He needs healing
- Find 3 evildoers in 1 game (loop). - Evil's nightmare
- Find 2 evildoers in 1 night (loop).
- Good night.
- Catch a killer killing someone and get him lynched the next day. (loop) - Quick testimony

Mayor:
- Remove "Don't reveal on trial", "win without revealing" and "reveal in day 1".
- Vote guilty during the lynch of 3 evildoers in one game (loop). - Vote power
- Vote innocent on 3 town members in a game (I'm not sure about this. It could be abused). - Savior
- Lynch the godfather or the coven leader. - No one opposes me
- Save the life of a townie by voting innocent during his trial while you were revealed. - Wise judgement

Medium:
- Remove "seance to the gf/sk/arso".
- Seance to the jailor. - Guardian's dream
- Seance to a vigilante. - Justice from the dead
- Seance to a mayor. - My votes came from the dead
- Lynch an evildoer who was found by a townie the night he died*. - The dead's information
* That means found by TI (except psychic), escort or jailor.

Retributionist:
- Remove "ressurrect a sheriff", because this isn't usually a good play.
- Ressurrect a bodyguard. - Hero is back
- Ressurrect the mayor. - Chosen again
- Ressurrect a transporter. - I was just on a bus
- Ressurrect your target in night 2. - Quick reborn

Sheriff:
- Remove "find someone not to be suspicious" and "find a member of the mafia".
- Find a member of the mafia as long as he weren't framed. - Busted
- Find a member of the coven as long as he weren't hexed. - Burn the witch!
- Find a werewolf. - The legend was real!
- Find 3 evildoers in a game (loop). - Law enforcer
- Find "not suspicious" someone who was suspicious the last night. Gotcha framer!
- Successfully check an evildoer at night and have them hung the next day. - That's my duty
- Check a disguiser the night he died disguised as a town member. - It's a FAKE ONE!

Spy:
- Remove "see 4 mafia visits in 1 night" and "see a member of the mafia targeting you".
- Find someone who was attacked but his defense was too high. - He's immortal!
- Find someone who was killed by the serial killer he visited. - Guess who's dying tomorrow
- Find an arsonist who was cleaning the gas off of himself. - Still in danger
- Bug someone who received 3 feedback messages unrelated to his role in one night. - Party time

Transporter:
- Remove "transport yourself with someone else".
- Make a mafia member kill one of his teammates. - Mafia war
- Make a coven member kill one of his teammates. Coven drained
- Save yourself from an attack and get an evildoer killed. - Evil meat-shield
- Save 3 townies from being killed and kill 3 evildoers in one game. (loop) - True hero
- Make an arsonist douse himself. - So you enjoy fire...

Vampire hunter:
- Kill 3 vampires in one game (loop). - Buffy the vampire slayer
- Kill 2 vampires in one night (loop). - Constantine
- Kill a vampire after you turned into a vigilante. - I don't need garlic.

Veteran:
- Remove "kill 3 players in one night".
- Kill 3 evildoers in 1 night (loop). - The best bait
- Win a game using all your alerts, killing an evildoer each time you alerted, and without killing townies (loop). - Perfect timing
- Kill a witch or a coven leader who tried to control you. - Vigilant, not vigilante

Vigilante:
- Remove "shoot yourself" and "shoot 3 immunes".
- Kill three evildoers in one game (loop). - Perfect shot
- Kill a witch before she controls you. - No more magic
- Kill a jester. - Too serious
- Succesfully kill a mafia or coven member. - Getting started

Crusader:
- Remove "attack pestilence" and "kill 5 people in a game".
- Attack 3 evildoers in a game. (loop) - Just a flesh wound
- Win without killing a single townie and having killed at least one evildoer. - Holy protector
- Protect a townie who was attacked. - Get away from him!
- Save 3 townies in 1 game (loop). - Town defender

Tracker:
- Remove "track the same player 3 times".
- See someone visiting somebody who died that night. - Where are you going?
- See your target visiting a dead player. - Tomb robber!
- Track 3 killers in 1 game (loop). - I see you all
- See a killer visiting someone who died that night and get him lynched the next day. - I made justice
- See someone visiting the revealed mayor at night. - What are you up to?

Trapper:
- Remove "see Pestilence visiting your target" and "have the coven leader trigger your trap".
- Kill a coven member with a trap. - Anti-magic trap
- Kill a mafia member with a trap. - Traps over guns
- Save someone from dying after your death. - Deads are protecting me!
- Save 3 players in one game (loop). - Do you see the future?
- Have a neutral killing role trigger your trap. - You stepped right in my booby trap

Psychic:
- Remove "be roleblocked 3 times".
- See the same player in 3 visions (I know it's luck-based, but everything about psychic is luck-based). - Stuck in my head
- Vote guilty during the lynch of 3 evildoers from your "evil" visions without lynching the townies from them (loop). - The right vision

Blackmailer:
- Remove "blackmail a member of the mafia", "blackmail the same player 3 times" and "blackmail yourself".
- Blackmail a town investigative role 3 times. - Don't say my name
- Blackmail a mayor 3 times. - Catch the corrupt!
- Blackmail a revived townie 3 times. - Deads don't talk
- Blackmail the same townie 3 times (loop). - Ha, you're useless.

Consigliere:
- Remove "find a godfather".
- Find the jailor. - The biggest threat
- Find the unrevealed mayor. - Found the leader
- Find the retributionist before he revives someone. - Just in time
- Find a transporter. - (only if you selected the real transporter and he didn't transport himself with someone else). Ah, here's the switch!
- Find 2 town power roles in 1 game. (loop) - Master of townreading (town power means jailor, unrevealed mayor, retri that hasn't used his ability and transporter)
- Find a neutral evil role. - Potential ally

Consort:
- Remove "die to the sk you visited", "roleblock yourself" and "roleblock the godfather".
- Save a mafia member from being killed by the jailor or vigilante. - Town can't kill us
- Save a mafia member from being killed by the jailor or vigilante 3 times (loop). - Mafia member saving lives
- Roleblock the jailor who was going to execute a serial killer. - Stabbed or stabbed
- Roleblock an arsonist and prevent him from killing a mafia member. - Hotter than fire
- Roleblock the same visiting townie 3 times in a game. (loop) - Mistress
- Roleblock the retributionist the night he was going to ressurrect a townie, and end the game without him able to use his ability. (loop) - More important than life

Disguiser:
- Have a town mayority lynch a unique role after you died disguised as them. (loop) - Highlander
- Fool an investigator who was investigating you. - I am not I
- Fool 2 different investigators in one game. - Investigator's nightmare
- Trick an amnesiac into remembering your role while you were disguised. - Ultimate deception
- Trick a retributionist into trying to ressurrect you. - Quite a trickster

Forger:
- Remove "forge yourself" and "forge a mafia will".
- Forge mayor's will. - No one will read his reads
- Forge jailor's will. - What did they claim?
- Forge the will of an investigative role. - Any leads?
- Forge 3 wills in a game (loop). - Clean papers

Framer:
- Remove "frame yourself" and "frame a mafia member".
- Frame someone who was being visited by a sheriff or investigator that night. - You fool
- Fool the same player 3 times in a game. - So predictable
- Frame the same target twice in a row, fooling the same player twice. - Nice try
- Fool 3 players in one game (loop). - Fool machine
(Fooling means framing the target of a sheriff or an investigator).

Godfather:
- Kill 2 town power roles during the first 3 nights. (seems luck-based, but I think good townreaders should be rewarded too, loop) - Power is weakness
- Kill a vigilante before he shoots a mafia member. - Threat avoided
- Win a game with your mafioso still alive. (loop) - Under my command

Janitor:
- Remove "win the game without cleaning any bodies" (seriously, this one is worse than the mayor achievements).
- Clean the jailor. - The jail was dirty
- Clean the mayor. - Who was elected?
- Clean an investigator. - No more leads
- Clean 3 bodies in a single game. (loop) - Clean as a whistle

Mafioso:
- Remove "be promoted to godfather" and "win without dying or becoming the godfather".
- Kill the jailor who was jailing your godfather. - You can't jail my dad
- Win a game with your gf and you still alive (loop). - Loyal servant
- Kill at least 5 townies in a game under your godfather's command. (loop) - Let me handle it

Hypnotist:
-Remove "hypnotize yourself" and "hypnotize a mafia member".
- Make a lookout think he was roleblocked when he actually saw no visits, twice in a game. (loop) - It's not what it seems

Ambusher:
- Remove "ambush a werewolf" and "ambush pestilence".
- Ambush 3 town members in a single game. (loop) - Good townies stay at home
- Ambush a bodyguard. - I was waiting for you
- Ambush a trapper. - Got here first!

Amnesiac:
- Remember that you were a neutral killing role (or plaguebearer/Pestilence) and win the game (loop). - I hate everyone
- Remember that you were jester/executioner and win the game. - Remembered the joke
- Remember your role in night 2. - Short amnesia
- Remember that you were a coven member. - Magic remembrance

Arsonist:
- Remove "ignite youself". Add werewolf as a thing arsos need to kill in order to get "There can be only one".
- Have a solo win without a kingmaking scenario and without killing witches or survivors. (doesn't apply if you won against another NK) (loop) - Funeral pire
- Fool an investigator/consigliere. - This smells bad
- Fool an investigator/consigliere 3 times in a game. - Everyone wants to see us burning!
- Ignite 5 players (loop). - Disco inferno
- Ignite a jailed player. - Burned out of house
- Survive until the end with another arsonist still alive. - Burning brothers
- Ignite more players than you doused. - Fiery friend

Executioner:
- Remove "be attacked 5 times in a game".
- Lynch your target with at least 5 townies voting guilty on him (loop). - Townies are killing each other
- Lynch your target with a difference of 5 votes. - He's so guilty
- Trick the mayor into lynching your target. - Convincing prosecutor
- (I know this is fcking impossible, but...) lynch your target with 16 guilty votes. (well... maybe this one shouldn't be added). - Manfred Von Karma

Jester:
- Remove "haunt gf/sk/arso".
- Be lynched with 5 townies voting guilty on you (loop). - Beliable joke
- Haunt the jailor. - Sad guardian
- Haunt the mayor. - Last command
- Haunt the veteran. - Now he feels bad
- Have the graveyard be completely full with you having been lynched. - Last laugh
- Be lynched in day 2. (loop) - Quick laugh

Serial killer:
- Remove "win with another SK"
- Have a solo win without a kingmaking scenario and without killing witches or survivors. (doesn't apply if you won against another NK) (loop) - Backstabber
- Kill 3 town power roles in the first 3 nights (loop). - Town's nightmare
- Kill the pirate who tried to plunder you. - No you won't
-Survive until the end with another SK still alive. - Knife team

Survivor:
- Remove "win with a SK".
- Be saved by your vest 4 times in a game. (loop) - You can't kill me!
- Be jailed by a jailor who is able to execute and survive. - Guardian fools
- Win with a NK role. - Friend to psychos
- Win without any faction member still alive. - The last survivor

Vampire:
- Start a game as a solo vampire and end it with at least 4 vampires in your team (loop). - Multiplied
- Convert a mayor and win the game without him dying. - Corrupt mayor
- Convert the jailor. - We own the jail
- Convert vigilante who was originally a vampire hunter. - If you can't beat them, join them.

Werewolf:
- Have a solo win without a kingmaking scenario and without killing witches or survivors. (doesn't apply if you won against another NK) (loop) - Everybody mauled
- Maul 5 players in one night. (loop) - Rampage
- Win a game where your KPN was 1 or higher. (loop) - Regular kills
- Maul a neutral killing role who visited your target. - Food chain
- Maul an escort who didn't rb you. - Prevention

Witch:
- Remove "control a SK 3 times".
- Win with a neutral killing role. (loop) - Making new friends
- Control 2 vigilantes into shooting town members in a game. (loop) - Justice in witch's hands.
- Control the jailor into executing a town member. (loop) - Keys on my hand
- Be saved by the doctor you controlled. - Oh, thanks you!
- Control a bodyguard into dying to kill a vigilante while protecting an evildoer (or a coven member for CL). - Chaotic defense
- Control the jailor into not executing a serial killer. - Let him stab you
- Control a townie into dying to a rampage attack. - It will be fun

Plaguebearer:
- Remove "Have a jailor try to execute you".
- Infect everyone by day 5 (loop). - A virulent plague
- Kill 5 players in a night (loop). - Unholy strike
- Infect 5 players in one night (loop). - More infectious than a cold
- Have a solo win without a kingmaking scenario and without killing witches or survivors. (doesn't apply if you won against another NK) (loop) - Is everybody ill?
- Infect a transporter. - Twice as infectious

Guardian angel:
- Save your target twice in a game (loop). - Best angel

Pirate:
- Remove "lose 10 duels".
- Win 5 duels in a game (loop). - Duelist
- Win a game without losing any duel. - Awanger
- Win by every attack in a single game. - Master of all

Juggernaut:
- Remove "kill the coven leader".
- Kill 5 players in a single night (loop). - Unstoppable
- Become fully-powered in night 5 (loop). - Level up
- Kill a coven member who was being healed by the potion master. - I'm the Juggernaut, witches!
- Kill 2 mafia members in one night. - Double kill
- Have a solo win without a kingmaking scenario and without killing witches or survivors. (doesn't apply if you won against another NK) (loop) - Wall is down
- Kill someone who was being protected by 2 different TP. - Unstoppable

Coven leader:
- Use the same achievements as witch, I guess.
- Prevent the plaguebearer from becoming pestilence. - Preventing diseases

Potion master:
- Remove "find Pestilence".
- Find the jailor. - Confession
- Find the retributionist before he manages to revive someone. - Our spells are better
- Kill 5 players in one game (loop). - Coven's assasin
- Save 2 coven members in a game (loop). - Coven's doctor

Hex master:
- Remove "hex pestilence" and "hex coven".
- Kill 5 players (loop). - Hex in the city
- Fool a sheriff/inv/TI three times in a game (loop). - Trust no one

Necromancer:
- Remove "reanimate Pestilence".
- Kill 4 players in a game without using the Necronomicon (loop). - I won't get my hands dirty

Poisoner:
- Poison 5 players in a game (loop). - Blight
- Poison a doctor who already selfhealed. - Who will heal you now?

Medusa:
- Stone 3 players in a night (loop). - A rockin party
- Stone 6 players in a game. - You rock
- Stone the jailor. - Jailhouse rock

And that's it. To sum up, what I suggest is:
- Add loop achievemnts.
- Remove gamethrowing/silly achievements.
- Give achievements for having all achievements.
- Add achievements based on skill and helping your team.
- Display achievements after the game ends, so they can't spoil you the roles of other players.
- Don't let party members farm achievements.
- Also, as qwertyuiopl suggested, you should only get your achievement if you are connected during the end of the game. This would discourage players to leave.

I will also quote something suggested by BasicFourLife:
BasicFourLife wrote:I also think that ALL ACHIEVEMENTS should have a loop system. That you would able to get every achievement for infinite times. Every time you would complete the standards to achieving this achievement you would get 50% of the points that you would normally get from it. You would only need to unlock every achievement once to get the bigger rewards for completing achievements.


And here is a similar suggestion from dyaomaster:
dyaomaster wrote:Minor suggestion: Make loop achievements worth less after getting them once, and add an indicator that this achievement was earned (and how many times it was earned) by graying it out like a normal achievement once earned, then adding a "Times earned: 123" tag on it. For example, the first time you execute 3 evildoers you get 80 MP, and the second+ time you get 40. That way, loop achievements still give decent awards should you seek to get them once, or seek to collect all the achievement, but not make it too profitable to get loop achievements over and over again.

This could be another way of implementing loop achievements. What do you think?

BTW: With so many loop achievements, even if not every achievement is a loop one, maybe the rewards for winning or for getting achievements should be lower.

What do you think about this? What achievements would you add/remove/rework? Please give me feedback in the replies. Thanks you :D

I put all the edits but the last ones in a spoiler since they were too many.
Spoiler: edit1: If you have all the achievements of a role, you should get a 50% discount for its scrolls.
edit2: Added new achievement for SK.
edit3: Added the elo achievement that Purple998 suggested.
edit4: Added "be in a game where everyone has a default name", and "win a duel against a serial killer".
edit5: Added achievements for juggernaut.
edit6: Added "kill 2 mafia members in one night" and replaced "kill 2 coven members in one night" with "kill a coven member who was being healed by the PM", for juggernaut.
edit7: Replaced "have a solo win without kingmakers" with "have a solo win without a kingmaking scenario and without killing witches or survivors (doesn't apply if you won against another NK)" for neutral killing roles.
edit8: Added "ignite a jailed player" for arsonist.
edit9: Replaced "Visist sk while being guarded" with "visit sk while being healed" for escorts. Removed "jail an attacked player 3 times in a game" for jailor. Replaced "attack 5 evildoers in one game" with "attack 3 evildoers in 1 game", for crusader. Removed "save the mafioso from dying" for gf, since it encourages gamethrowing. Replaced "kill 3 town power in the first 3 nights" with "kill 2 town power roles in the first 3 nights" for gf. Removed "clean a juggernaut" for janitor. Removed "make the jailor think he was roleblocked and jail his target again" for hypnotist. Removed "kill a sheriff who was going to visit a mafia member" and "kill 3 TIs that were going to visit mafia members in a game" for ambusher, because he can't visit mafia members (but he should). Added "survive until the end with someone with your role" for SK and arsonists. Replaced "Bite 3 players in 1 game (loop)" with "start a game as a solo vampire and end it with at least 4 vampires in your team (loop)" for vampires. Replaced "win a game where you killed 2 players each full moon night (loop)" with "win a game having a KPN of 1 (loop)" for werewolves. Removed "win a duel against a SK" for pirates because it encourages a bad play. Replaced "save 5 coven members in a game (loop)" with "save 2 coven members in a game (loop)" for potion masters. Removed "reanimate a jester" for necromancers, because it's impossible.
edit10: Replaced "be in a game where everyone has a default name" with "be in a game where 15 players have a default name". Added "ressurrect the mayor" and "ressurrect a transporter" and removed "ressurrect a sheriff" for retributionists. Added "control the jailor into not executing a serial killer" and "control a bodyguard into dying to kill a vigilante while protecting an evildoer" for witch/coven leader. Added "heal a bodyguard who was going to die protecting his target" for doctors.
edit11: Added "have a solo win" for survivor. Corrected some typos. Added names for achievements (special thanks to UzayAltay). Title added.
edit12: Added "be attacked and survive" for jesters. Added "be acquitted as evil with at least 5 townies voting inno (loop)" for general achievements. Added "have the graveyard be completely full with you having been lynched" for jesters. Special thanks to qwertyuiopl.
edit13: Added "remember that you were a coven member" for amnesiacs. Clarified that "remember NK and win" for amnes applies to remembering Pestilence/plaguebearer. Added "ignite more players than you doused" for arsonists. Added "Have a retri try to ressurrect you" for disguisers. Added "be lynched in day 2 (loop)" for jesters. Added "kill a witch or coven leader" for veterans. Added "control a townie into dying to a rampage attack" for witches/coven leaders. Special thanks to DragonClaw66.
edit14: Added "win as town when there were only 2 townies from the start" and "win a game where you were the only member of the mafia".
edit15: Added poll and changed title.
edit16: Added "vote guilty on 3 evildoers" for mediums. Added "win a stalemate" and "make an arsonist douse himself" for transporters. Added "protect the doctor who is healing you" for bodyguards. Special thanks to UzayAltay.
edit17: Replaced "win with an arsonist" with "win win a neutral killing role (loop)" for witch. Needs name. Added "win X games of X/every gamemode", for general achievements.
edit18: Put edits in a spoiler. Added "find a transporter", "find 2 town power roles in a game" and replaced "find the mayor" with "find the unrevealed mayor", for consigs. Added "kill a vigilante before he shoots a mafia member" and "Win a game with your mafioso still alive (loop)" for gfs. Added "find an evildoer and get him lynched the next day" for sheriffs, trackers, lookouts and investigators. Added "save a revealed mayor from death at night" for bodyguards. Special thanks to Jackparrot and BasicFourLife. Added names for "Win X games of X gamemode". Special thanks to qwertyuiopl. Some achievements still need names.
edit19: Added "forge the will of an investigative role" for forgers. Replaced "win a game where your KPN was 1" with "win a game where your KPN was 1 or higher" for werewolves. Replaced "win without dying or becoming the gf" with "win with you and your gf still alive (loop)" for mafiosos. Special thanks to dyaomaster and qwertyuiopl.
edit20: Underlined guardian angel so it's easier to see. Removed "have a jailor try to execute you" for plaguebearer.
edit21: Added "roleblock the retributionist the night he was going to ressurrect a townie, and end the game without him able to use his ability (loop)", for consorts. Added "infect a transporter" for plaguebearers. Added names for "win 1 game of each gamemode" and "win 50 games of each gamemode". Added "win a game as mafia, coven, NK or Pestilence without being put on trial or being killed by a jailor or vigilante. (loop)", for general achievements. Added "talk at least once every night while you are alive, at least for 4 nights", for mafia, coven and vampires. Added "kill at least 5 townies in a game under your godfather's command (loop)" for mafiosos. Added "clean an investigator" and "clean 3 bodies in a single game (loop)" for janitors. Special thanks to BasicFourLife and Jackparrot. Quoted BasicFourLife's suggestion.
edit22: Fixed the jailor and spy achievements, as BasicFourLife suggested. Added "See someone visiting the revealed mayor" for trackers and "Win by every attack in a single game" for pirates. Special thanks to BasicFourLife.
edit23: Added "have 1000, 2000, 3000 and 5000 games played", for general achievements. Special thanks to Jackparrot.
edit24: Corrected some typos. Special thanks to BasicFourLife.
edit25: Replaced the name of "Should abstained" with "Last command", for jesters. Special thanks to Jackparrot.
edit26: Added names for witch achievements. See "It will be fun" and "Making new friends". Added "execute the gf and a NK in a single game", for jailors. Special thanks to BasicFourLife
edit27: Fixed a mistake BasicFourLife pointed out.
edit28: Replaced "win a game without killing a single townie" with "win a game without killing a single townie and having killed at least one evildoer", for crusaders. Special thanks to Shilster. Added "win a game where you were the only coven member from the start", as a general achievement. Added "execute an executioner before he gets his target lynched", for jailors. Added "kill a witch before she controls you" and "kill a jester" for vigilantes. Added "find a neutral evil role", for consiglieres. Added "lynch your target twice", for executioners, since everyone was asking for it. Special thanks to Salamandos35. Added "judge 1/100 reports in the trial sistem", as a general achievement. Special thanks to Jackparrot. Put the name of every achievement in bold. Also, added dots at the end of some achievements. Special thanks to BasicFourLife. Added names for the general achievements about playing thousands of games. Corrected other small mistakes. Turned "catch a killer killing someone and get him lynched the next day" into a loop achievement, for lookouts. Removed "be attacked at night but survive", for jesters, because jesters have a lot of suggested achievements and this one encourages them to try to be killed at night hoping they would get healed. If they were attacked at night, they did something wrong.
edit29: Moved "vote guilty on 3 evildoers" from mediums to general achievements for town, and made it loop. Added "Save a TI the night he found an evildoer", for doctors and "succesfully save the jailor, the mayor or a retri that hasn't used his ability", for bodyguards. Added "lynch the gf or the cl", for mayors. Added "lynch an evildoer who was found by a townie the night he died", for mediums. Special thanks to BasicFourLife. Added names for VIP achievements. Special thanks to UzayAltay. Gave credit to Jackparrot in edit 25 for suggesting the name of "last command". Added "save the life of a townie by voting inno during his trial while you were revealed", for mayors. Renamed "he's everywhere" to "stuck in my head", for psychics. Replaced "see a necromancer visiting the graveyard" with "see your target visiting the graveyard", for trackers. Renamed "killing a clown is worse than killing a townie" to "now he feels bad" and "AHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHA!" to "last laugh", for jesters. Added "maul a killing role who visited your target", for werewolves. Renamed "stoned jail" to "jailhouse rock", for Medusa. Special thanks to GreGreat. Renamed "we need a bus" to "I was just on a bus", for retris. Renamed "hero of the doctor of the hero" to "got your back", for bodyguards. Added "save the same townie 3 times in a game", for doctors. Renamed "broke his feets" to "mistress", for consorts. Replaced "trick the town into lynching the retributionist after you died disguised as him" with "Trick the town into lynching an unique role after you died disguised as him (loop)", for disguisers. Renamed "he won't kill me" to "friend to psychos", for survivors. Added "be witched into visiting the player you were going to visit anyway", as a general achievement. Special thanks to Salamandos35. Added "ressurrect your target in night 2", for retris. Added "check a disguiser the night he died disguised as town", for sheriffs. Special thanks to BasicFourLife.
edit30: Added "kill a werewolf", for trappers. Special thanks to Jackparrot.
edit31: Removed "kill a werewolf" for trappers because we already have "kill a NK".
edit32: Replaced "have a coven member trigger your trap" with "kill a coven member with a trap", for trappers. Added "kill a mafia member with a trap", for trappers. Added "save someone from dying to poison" and "save 3 townies from dying to poison", for doctors.
edit33: Edited a typo in edit 25. Special thanks to Shilster for pointing it out. Replaced "be acquitted with a least 10 innocent votes" with "be acquitted with at least 8 innocent votes", for general achievements. Also, as CsBlastoise said, some achievements need better names, so I'm open to suggestions. I will write that in the achievement list.
edit34: Added a name for "find a transporte", for consiglieres. Changed the name of "roleblock a vigilante who was going to shoot a town member because he was being controlled", for escorts. Special thanks to CsBlastoise.
edit35: Added dyaomaster's suggestion about devaluating loop achievements.
edit36: Removed "save the revealed mayor", for bodyguards. Renamed "Found the antidote" to "Antidote", for doctors. Renamed "You have more important things to do" to "Better things to do", for escorts. Renamed "They are all evil!" to "Sherlock Holmes", for investigators. Renamed "He has spells" to "Burn the witch!", for sheriffs. Renamed "Woaw woaw" to "The legend was real!", for sheriffs. Renamed "Guess who is dying tomorrow" to "Guess who's dying tomorrow", for spies. Removed "Win a stalemate against an evildoer", for transporters (That one was awful. I can't believe I hadn't removed it before). Renamed "It seems my house" to "So you enjoy fire...", for transporters. Renamed "Vigilante? Who needs that?" to "Perfect timing", for veterans. Removed "Kill the evildoer who killed you", for vigilantes. Replaced "Kill the evildoer who killed you" with "Succesfully kill a mafia or coven member", for vigilantes. Renamed "Some things are more important than life" to "More important than life", for consorts. Renamed "You're so predictable" to "So predictable", for framers. Reworded "Convert the vampire hunter" to "Convert the vigilante who was originally a vampire hunter", for vampires. Renamed "Who can prevenk me?" to "Unstoppable", for juggernauts. Renamed "He has kills!" to "Confession", for potion masters (I imagine the revealing potion as a truth potion, and it would be ironic that the jailor is confessing instead of the jailee). Fixed typos in "Justice from the dead", "My votes came from the dead" and "The dead's information", for mediums. Special thanks to DragonClaw66. Added werewolf as a thing arsos need to kill in order to get "There can be only one". Added "Maul an escort who didn't roleblock you", for werewolves. Special thanks to Flare12332.
edit37: Changed "Tricked you!" to not loop. Removed "win 1/50 games of rivals" (general achievements) since rivals was removed. Added "Win 1/5/10/25 times as a lover", as a general achievement. Added "Win as a coven member in VIP", as a general coven achievement. Renamed "Judge" to "Rookie" and "Jury" to "Judge", as generals achievements. Renamed "Jail protection" to "Witness protection program", for jailors. Added "Ambush a trapper", for ambushers, and replaced "kill" with "ambush" in the descriptions of their achievements. Special thanks to NasubiNori, who suggested some of this changes. Added OnlyA's suggestion about not letting party members get achievements if they got them due to another party member and corrected a small typo.
edit38: Deleted vigilantics achievements and finally spelt Kikigiri's name right.

edit39: Removed "win a game where you were GA's target" for jesters and "win a game with a jester as your target" for GA, since this is impossible as PleaseReadSiege pointed out.
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Postby qwertyuiopl » Sat Sep 16, 2017 1:12 pm

The ONE issue I have with some of these is that they give you information you otherwise wouldn't have (e.g. Escort role blocking a killing role, Medusa stoning a jailor, etc) that could help win. I know some achievements already do this (cough medium cough), but these would up the problem. So I suggest that all achievements only be viewable at the END of the game. (I think this has been suggested before, but I'm bringing it up again just in case.)

Here's a possible kicker- maybe if you get an achievement, you wouldn't get it if you left the game early. This might discourage people (especially mediums and important roles that could be revived) from leaving the game early when dead- just in case they'd gotten that one achievement they've been trying to get. The problem I see with this is that if you actually earn an achievement, but you have bad internet and you disconnect, you wouldn't get it. What do you think?

Other than that one problem, /support times a million.
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qwertyuiopl wrote:The ONE issue I have with some of these is that they give you information you otherwise wouldn't have (e.g. Escort role blocking a killing role, Medusa stoning a jailor, etc) that could help win. I know some achievements already do this (cough medium cough), but these would up the problem. So I suggest that all achievements only be viewable at the END of the game. (I think this has been suggested before, but I'm bringing it up again just in case.)

Here's a possible kicker- maybe if you get an achievement, you wouldn't get it if you left the game early. This might discourage people (especially mediums and important roles that could be revived) from leaving the game early when dead- just in case they'd gotten that one achievement they've been trying to get. The problem I see with this is that if you actually earn an achievement, but you have bad internet and you disconnect, you wouldn't get it. What do you think?

Other than that one problem, /support times a million.

Yup. I already suggested in my post that achievements should be given after the game ends. I wrote it in the doctor achievements, so I will highlight it. Your second suggestion is also great. I will add it to the post.
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Postby Joacgroso » Sat Sep 16, 2017 3:15 pm

Also, it would be nice if once you had all the achievements from a role, you got a 50% discount for it's scrolls. I will update the post.
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Postby Purple998 » Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:29 pm

/support 100% I love your creativeness Joacgroso :D

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Postby Joacgroso » Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:29 pm

Purple998 wrote:/support 100% I love your creativeness Joacgroso :D

General Achievement: Buy a scroll of every role (Juggernaut doesn't count)/Reach 1400 Elo (?)/ Have 10 friends
Vampire: (The New Kings) Kill the entire mafia!

Thanks you :D!
About your suggestions:
1- What would happen if someone buys one of the packs that give you 3 scrolls of each role? And why would somebody waste 38400 merit points in order to win an achievement and 100 MP?
2- Reach X elo sounds really good. I will add it to the post.
3- I'm not sure about having x friends. It could be easily abused. It would be better if you added someone because you like him, not because an achievement.
4- I guess the gf would be an exception, right? The only problem I see is that vamps would probably lose if they did that.
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Postby DeadLittleLamb » Sat Sep 16, 2017 10:30 pm

/fullsupport

I love all of them. This is definitely way better than the current ones that encourage stupid actions, great job.
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DeadLittleLamb wrote:/fullsupport

I love all of them. This is definitely way better than the current ones that encourage stupid actions, great job.

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Postby Joacgroso » Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:04 am

What do you think about "play in a game where no one submitted a name"? Would that be a good idea?
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Postby Soulshade55r » Sun Sep 17, 2017 3:12 pm

Agreed a lot of people will just game throw to get a Achievement.

Once mafia threw so they could get the juggernaut hitting the pestilence achievement.
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Postby destawaits » Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:39 pm

/support

Although some achievements are really hard, I would like to see a new rework. I don't really get joy out of earning these old achievements because they're so random.

Joacgroso wrote:First of all, every role should have an achievement for getting all its achievements. If a player gets that achievement, he should be rewarded with a lobby icon of the role (not the face of the skin. I mean the picture that appears at the left of the achievements). There should also be an achievement for having ALL achievements for ALL roles, which should be rewarded with something REALLY good. Of course, there should also be "Get all achievements of X faction".

If this were to be implemented, it would be best to remove said lobby icons from the shop or at the least make it expensive. This way, people actually try to earn the achievements, which in turn encourages good play.
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Postby DeadLittleLamb » Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:59 pm

Joacgroso wrote:What do you think about "play in a game where no one submitted a name"? Would that be a good idea?


That's a good one, and I think it's perfectly doable if the lobby coordinates.
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Ok, I edited the post.
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Postby Joacgroso » Mon Sep 18, 2017 2:49 pm

Is there actually a chance of the devs implementing this, or will it be ignored like most of the suggestions?
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Re: Achievement rework.

Postby ProfessorArceus » Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:47 am

3- I'm not sure about having x friends. It could be easily abused. It would be better if you added someone because you like him, not because an achievement.
Having a number of friends should have an achievement. There are prizes for having friends, so why not an achievement?
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Re: Achievement rework.

Postby Soulshade55r » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:49 am

What about Juggernaut (the ??? role)
Also
"you should only get your achievement if you are connected during the end of the game. This would discourage players to leave the game.
What do you think about this? What achievements would you add/remove/rework? Please give me feedback in the replies. Thanks you"
I don't think thats fair when you evil because there is no medium/ret so it will make no difference if you leave.

This has juggernauts achievements listed
http://town-of-salem.wikia.com/wiki/Achievements
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Postby ProfessorArceus » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:29 pm

No.... It discourages leaving. If you're evil and you did an achievement, you can stay till the end of the game to get it. Simple - it won't take you days long.
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Re: Achievement rework.

Postby Purple998 » Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:18 pm

Juggernaut achievement

1.Get all the "Upgrades"
2.Win a game
3.Kill another NK
4.Win with a witch or a survivor
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Postby Joacgroso » Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:44 pm

Right, I was scrolling down to the ingame achievement list, so I forgot about the juggernaut. About the leaving thing, players should only get their achievements if the stay until they win/lose. The only exception could be survivors or guardian angels after they die, since jesters and exes can't get an achievement if they die before winning.
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Re: Achievement rework.

Postby Joacgroso » Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:53 pm

Added achievements for juggernaut. What do you think about "attack a jailed player"? I thought all the visits failed on a jailed target. If the juggernaut can actually kill the jailed player, the achievement is fine, but if he can't it should be removed.
About the friends, how many would you suggest that should be needed in order to gain an achievement?
Also, what do you think about "be in a game with 14 friends"?

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Re: Achievement rework.

Postby Soulshade55r » Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:54 pm

Kill 2 coven members in one night.

You could do
Kill 2 coven or mafia members in one night.
Kill 2 mafia members in one night. (Its racist to mafia kind)

but thanks for adding in the jugger himself
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Re: Achievement rework.

Postby Joacgroso » Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:16 pm

Soulshade55r wrote:Kill 2 coven members in one night.

You could do
Kill 2 coven or mafia members in one night.
Kill 2 mafia members in one night. (Its racist to mafia kind)

but thanks for adding in the jugger himself

Well... the thing is that mafia and juggernaut are not in the same gamemode (unless chaos). I wrote only coven because I was thinking in attacking a coven member who was being healed by the PM. Since mafia can't visit each other, I didn't include them. I forgot that he can kill 2 mafia members if they visit the same target.
I will replace "kill 2 coven members" with "kill a coven member who was being healed by the potion master" and add "kill 2 mafia members in one night".
Sorry if I have spelling mistakes. English is not my main language.
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Re: Achievement rework.

Postby Joacgroso » Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:17 pm

Also, do you have any suggestions for the names of the achievements?
Sorry if I have spelling mistakes. English is not my main language.
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Re: Achievement rework.

Postby Joacgroso » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:10 pm

I just noticed something. I added a "have a solo win without kingmakers" loop achievement for all NK, but it shouldn't be given to a player if he kills a witch/survivor in order to solo win. I'll edit that.
Also, do you have any suggestions for the names of the achievements?
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Re: Achievement rework.

Postby Amythyr » Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:09 pm

/support

Also add a arso achievement to ignite jailed target
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