Investigator Results List Overhaul v3.0

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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul v3.0

Postby DumbStorm » Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:02 pm

orangeandblack5 wrote:Yepperoo


What.
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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul v3.0

Postby orangeandblack5 » Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:42 pm

dyaomaster wrote:Maybe he's worried about what to put in as a replacement where it currently is?
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that is the dumbest idea I think I have heard.

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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul v3.0

Postby lemonader666 » Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:46 pm

Does PB frame their targets?

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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul v3.0

Postby Shilster » Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:00 am

lol no
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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul v3.0

Postby Shilster » Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:00 am

invest just gets plagued which is gg
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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul v3.0

Postby lemonader666 » Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:03 am

idea: make pb plauge frames like arso and put framer/arso/hex master/pb

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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul v3.0

Postby Shilster » Tue Aug 15, 2017 1:04 am

lemonader666 wrote:idea: make pb plauge frames like arso and put framer/arso/hex master/pb


What the fuc-
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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul v3.0

Postby kookeekwisp » Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:01 am

lemonader666 wrote:idea: make pb plauge frames like arso and put framer/arso/hex master/pb

...you can't be serious.
WHERE'S THE JOKE SUGGESTIONS THREAD???

Do you know why people say "Spreads like the Plague"?
Do you know how many framing roles there are now?
Do you know just how stupid your idea sounds?
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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul v3.0

Postby Shilster » Tue Aug 15, 2017 2:12 am

kookeekwisp wrote:
lemonader666 wrote:idea: make pb plauge frames like arso and put framer/arso/hex master/pb

...you can't be serious.
WHERE'S THE JOKE SUGGESTIONS THREAD???

Do you know why people say "Spreads like the Plague"?
Do you know how many framing roles there are now?
Do you know just how stupid your idea sounds?


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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul v3.0

Postby lemonader666 » Tue Aug 15, 2017 4:21 am

kookeekwisp wrote:
lemonader666 wrote:idea: make pb plauge frames like arso and put framer/arso/hex master/pb

...you can't be serious.
WHERE'S THE JOKE SUGGESTIONS THREAD???

Do you know why people say "Spreads like the Plague"?
Do you know how many framing roles there are now?
Do you know just how stupid your idea sounds?

calm to tits mate it wasn't serious

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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul v3.0

Postby Shilster » Tue Aug 15, 2017 5:05 am

lemonader666 wrote:
kookeekwisp wrote:
lemonader666 wrote:idea: make pb plauge frames like arso and put framer/arso/hex master/pb

...you can't be serious.
WHERE'S THE JOKE SUGGESTIONS THREAD???

Do you know why people say "Spreads like the Plague"?
Do you know how many framing roles there are now?
Do you know just how stupid your idea sounds?

calm to tits mate it wasn't serious

What
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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul v3.0

Postby DumbStorm » Tue Aug 15, 2017 5:08 am

Jailor should frame people.
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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul v3.0

Postby lemonader666 » Tue Aug 15, 2017 5:11 am

DumbStorm wrote:Jailor should frame people.

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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul v3.0

Postby DumbStorm » Tue Aug 15, 2017 5:12 am

lemonader666 wrote:
DumbStorm wrote:Jailor should frame people.

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What's not to understand? They're in a jail cell, Jailor has a jail cell, it just makes too much sense!

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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul v3.0

Postby Shilster » Tue Aug 15, 2017 5:26 am

lemonader666 wrote:
DumbStorm wrote:Jailor should frame people.

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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul v3.0

Postby dyaomaster » Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:00 am

Maybe put Potion Master into Hex Master's spot? I doubt many Potion masters will be healing to confirm their claim anyway.

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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul v3.0

Postby lemonader666 » Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:11 am

I think the Medium/Retributionist/Forger/Jester/Necromancer lore should be "Your target lurks around the graveyard frequently" or something like that(english isn't my main)

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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul v3.0

Postby SurvivorHunter » Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:13 am

Hello, you have some interesting ideas here. Let me go through my thoughts on the list.

Evils have too much space to claim, and townies could be confused with being evil far too easily. This is very bad for the balance of the game, as it makes the investigator far less useful if it can't tell whether or not a person is town.

Examples:

Escort, Transporter, Vampire Hunter, Consort < this makes it impossible to tell whether or not an escort is escort or consort. If they roleblocked someone then there's no point of investigating them then??

Vigilante, Bodyguard, Mafioso, Pirate, Medusa < this means that more poor innocent bodyguards and vigilantes and pirates will end up getting killed for being suspected of being evil, thanks for making these roles even more unfun. Time to add them to the leave-on-sight list.

Doctor, Jailor, Janitor, Serial Killer, Potion Master < now there's a higher chance of jailor getting lynched in suspicion of being an evil role, compared to when the only evil role that could fake it was blackmailer (or in my results, disguiser or jester, neither of which you want to lynch as town) - please no.

I'd suggest that you have some pairings that allow the investigator to know the alignment but not the role. Examples from my results are LO/Inv/Sheriff (invest knows this person is TI, but they have to figure out what their role is), and SK/arso/WW (invest knows they're NK but has to figure out which one). More results like these would make the list better. Good try though!
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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul v3.0

Postby WittyRecluse » Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:26 am

Esc/Cons/trans/VH - not really any issues here I guess, I would like to move witch into this result as esc/trans are very good and common claims for it. Replace VH with witch maybe.

Invest/consig/witch/Consig/CL - replace witch with VH I guess. Invest is a horrible claim for witch but better for coven leader.

Spy/mayor/bmer/amne - this is really easy to confirm as being Town/NB, which I guess is not necessarily bad, but it might be good to put bmer in a different group since whispers are irrelevant now.

Vigilante, Bodyguard, Mafioso, Pirate, Medusa - I really like separating TK results from each other, but I really think that putting a TK claim in with a non-immune role is useless. I'd rather put vig with SK or GF.

Medium, Retributionist, Forger, Jester, Necromancer - Kinda undecided. Med is a pretty bad claim, esp in a ret game, but on the other hand jester makes it slightly better. Also, med/ret are nicely nerfed, as they are no longer confirmed by the absence of a janitor.

Sheriff, Trapper, Godfather, Executioner, Juggernaut - Decent result I guess, I would have rather put vig in with GF, since most times you have mafioso claiming TP, gf claiming TK, and RM claiming TS or TI.

Doctor, Jailor, Janitor, Serial Killer, Potion Master - this result is really not that good. You're putting two clearly visible scum roles into one result and giving them both the same single town role to claim.

Veteran, Tracker, Disguiser, Survivor, Werewolf - In ranked, ww can only claim vet, which is bad because it's a unique role.

Crusader, Ambusher, Guardian Angel, Poisoner - don't have coven so I can't say much. Seems decent.

Psychic, Hypnotist, Plaguebearer, Pestilence, Hex Master - 3 evils combined with an easily faked town role is not good.

Framer, Vampire, Arsonist - I know what you're onto with the douse/framing, but...
1. Spy makes framing irrelevant. LO can too.
2. Arsonist is not going to be dousing scummy people, whereas invest will be checking scummy people.

This means that if you check a scummy person and they show up as this result, they are pretty much confirmed scum, which is not good.
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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul v3.0

Postby HereThereEverywhere » Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:30 am

Spy makes framing irrelevant. But the Devs are reworking Spy, so it's most likely going to lose that terrible ability just like the others.
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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul v3.0

Postby WittyRecluse » Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:35 am

HereThereEverywhere wrote:Spy makes framing irrelevant. But the Devs are reworking Spy, so it's most likely going to lose that terrible ability just like the others.

Doesn't change the fact that "I was framed" is a terrible defense in pretty much any situation.
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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul v3.0

Postby ImposterK » Sat Aug 26, 2017 5:42 am

orangeandblack5 wrote:Escort, Transporter, Vampire Hunter, Consort - Your target frequents the shadier parts of Salem. They must be an Escort, Transporter, Vampire Hunter, or Consort.
Escort/Consort works quite well. All this result really needs is a Coven role that can roleblock, which I've asked the devs to add next.


I personally think that the "Escort, Transporter, Consort, or Hypnotist" result should stay the same, the reason behind this is because Escort and Consort both role block people, and Transporter and Hypnotist both "transport" people.
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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul v3.0

Postby orangeandblack5 » Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:08 am

Silent transports is better than destroying Hypno's current result like that
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SwampRabbit wrote:your idea is that no town should ever be able to confirm themselves as town.

that is the dumbest idea I think I have heard.

ElderSivart wrote:I'm confused as to why BMG made a UI for Pirate and not Hypnotist.

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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul v3.0

Postby kookeekwisp » Sat Aug 26, 2017 11:53 am

WittyRecluse wrote:
HereThereEverywhere wrote:Spy makes framing irrelevant. But the Devs are reworking Spy, so it's most likely going to lose that terrible ability just like the others.

Doesn't change the fact that "I was framed" is a terrible defense in pretty much any situation.

Then how come it's worked literally every time i've seen it used?

I've even seen "I was hexed" work on a game where the only RC slot is obvi Poisoner :/
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Re: Investigator Results List Overhaul v3.0

Postby Soulshade55r » Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:55 pm

Alot different to the one I made I'd say yours is pretty good (My only problem it may change too much)

I believe Investigator should get 5 results due to most games not having mafia in coven (Like mafia ranked)
Right now the investigator is so unbalanced (over powerd) in coven being able to know that someone is 100% not coven this gives it a better fix but 4 each is too small there would be some changes
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