orangeandblack5 wrote:Escort, Transporter, Vampire Hunter, Consort - Your target frequents the shadier parts of Salem. They must be an Escort, Transporter, Vampire Hunter, or Consort. Escort/Consort works quite well. All this result really needs is a Coven role that can roleblock, which I've asked the devs to add next.
Spy, Mayor, Blackmailer, Amnesiac - [NEEDS LORE]. They must be a Spy, Blackmailer, Amnesiac, or the Mayor. Spy and Blackmailer go together, Amnesiac needs some pressure, and Mayor is instantly confirmed. This seems like a weak result, but Spy is already instantly confirmed if there is no Mafia, so it's actually quite solid.
In the Coven Expansion, I find that most games either run with Coven as the evil faction, or Mafia as the evil faction. It is rare that they coexist, and even then, that's only in Coven All Any or Coven Custom.
While playing a game with Coven as the evil faction, these two results would always be immediately identified as "not scum," which I don't like. I think it would benefit the list if you moved a Coven/Neutral Killing from other pairings to these two pairings.
I like this inv results better than the current ones, but I do have some concerns. Specifically, I feel like each result should have at least 1 town role, 1 role that could show up in mafia ranked (i.e. mafia, NE, NK, NB), and 1 role that could show up in coven ranked (i.e. coven, NE, NK). The results that violate this are:
This ensures that there will always be at least one good or evil in the results in both mafia and coven such that there is no guaranteed good (like esc/trans or spy/mayor in coven) or guaranteed evil (like framer/vamp/arso) result.
ScardyBob wrote:I like this inv results better than the current ones, but I do have some concerns. Specifically, I feel like each result should have at least 1 town role, 1 role that could show up in mafia ranked (i.e. mafia, NE, NK, NB), and 1 role that could show up in coven ranked (i.e. coven, NE, NK). The results that violate this are:
This ensures that there will always be at least one good or evil in the results in both mafia and coven such that there is no guaranteed good (like esc/trans or spy/mayor in coven) or guaranteed evil (like framer/vamp/arso) result.
I'm against Spy/Mayor/BMer/SK/amne. At least, I'm currently against it. Depends on how easily new Spy will be fakeclaimable I guess.
Framer/Vamp/Arso is not a bad result. Anyone here could be framed by a Framer or doused by an Arsonist while actually being a Town role. However, there's nothing too bad about splitting the result up, as long as Vampires are still with a framer (like Arsonist in your example).
"Research has it that 47% of quotes are fabricated using true statistics." -Alfred Wolman, 1997
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DumbStorm wrote:Lore for Psychics and Hypno results
"Your target taps into unknown powers, they must be Psychic, Hypnotist, Plaugebearer, Pestilence, or the Hex Master.
Personally, I think Hex should be in the Framer and Arsonist result because of their framing.
dyaomaster wrote:Spy/Mayor/BMer/Amnesiac - Your target relies heavily on the input and influence of others. Medium/Ret/Forger/Jester/Necromancer - Your target realizes death isn't the end. Crusader/Ambusher/Guardian Angel/Poisoner - Your target has the patience to accomplish their goals. Psychic/Hypnotist/Plaguebearer/Pestilence - Your target possesses a power unknown to most other humans.
Put Hex Master with Framer/Vamp/Arso.
Anyway, is Orange still here?
"Research has it that 47% of quotes are fabricated using true statistics." -Alfred Wolman, 1997
Did I just say something about Coven? Don't trust me, I don't own it.
DumbStorm wrote:Lore for Psychics and Hypno results
"Your target taps into unknown powers, they must be Psychic, Hypnotist, Plaugebearer, Pestilence, or the Hex Master.
Personally, I think Hex should be in the Framer and Arsonist result because of their framing.
dyaomaster wrote:Spy/Mayor/BMer/Amnesiac - Your target relies heavily on the input and influence of others. Medium/Ret/Forger/Jester/Necromancer - Your target realizes death isn't the end. Crusader/Ambusher/Guardian Angel/Poisoner - Your target has the patience to accomplish their goals. Psychic/Hypnotist/Plaguebearer/Pestilence - Your target possesses a power unknown to most other humans.
Put Hex Master with Framer/Vamp/Arso.
Anyway, is Orange still here?
No
At least not enough to care right now, try again once the next update comes out of something
I'm just busy and unable to put my heart into ToS rn, sorry
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SwampRabbit wrote:your idea is that no town should ever be able to confirm themselves as town.
that is the dumbest idea I think I have heard.
ElderSivart wrote:I'm confused as to why BMG made a UI for Pirate and not Hypnotist.
Sarah Thorpe wrote:Role Ideas is great for masochists.
orangeandblack5 wrote:Overhaul the overhaul thread time! As this hasn't seen any significant update in over 10 months (and as we near the second year anniversary of this whole thread on June 10), it's about time that I get back into it and clean up this thread. You'll notice it's much simplified in layout - I want to facilitate as much discussion as tightly focused as I can.
Obviously this thread has done immense good in the past (it was the driving force behind the previous in-game change to the Investigator), so it's time to start working on what I feel the Investigator should be in the Coven expansion. Hopefully getting this out before 1.6 drops will see BMG embrace it if there is enough support. Due to the rush I'm not really considering lore changes, so I'm completely open to any lore suggestions for the list.
That being said, please provide any feedback you have - improvements now are critical. Thank you for your continued support. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Escort, Transporter, Vampire Hunter, Consort - Your target frequents the shadier parts of Salem. They must be an Escort, Transporter, Vampire Hunter, or Consort. Escort/Consort works quite well. All this result really needs is a Coven role that can roleblock, which I've asked the devs to add next.good Result .
Investigator, Lookout, Consigliere, Witch, Coven Leader - Your target watches others closely. They must be an Investigator, Lookout, Consigliere, Witch, or the Coven Leader. This result practically builds itself. Invest, Consig, and Coven Leader all go with each other, Lookout and Witch are healthy with each other, and Coven Leader literally is a Witch.good Result .
Spy, Mayor, Blackmailer, Amnesiac - [NEEDS LORE]. They must be a Spy, Blackmailer, Amnesiac, or the Mayor. Spy and Blackmailer go together, Amnesiac needs some pressure, and Mayor is instantly confirmed. This seems like a weak result, but Spy is already instantly confirmed if there is no Mafia, so it's actually quite solid. 1) Good Result . 2) Lore: Your target has Sensitive information to reveal . ( Mayor , 3 vote , amnesiac , his role , Blackmailor , reveal townies whispers to mafia,spy should reveal who is not mafia .
Vigilante, Bodyguard, Mafioso, Pirate, Medusa - Your target kills without question. They must be a Vigilante, Bodyguard, Mafioso, Pirate, or Medusa. A solid result that will put good pressure on Vigilante and Bodyguard while providing solid claimspace for Mafioso and Medusa. seems good Medium, Retributionist, Forger, Jester, Necromancer - [NEEDS LORE]. They must be a Medium, Forger, Jester, Necromancer, or the Retributionist. This one works well enough. It doesn't give Forger or Necromancer the best claimspace in the world, but with Jester in their result they don't need it. I don't like this Result , too much but can't suggest a better one . Lore : Your target can contact with deathes ( think Forger first contact , than change will )
Sheriff, Trapper, Godfather, Executioner, Juggernaut - Your target is waiting for the right moment to make their move. They must be a Sheriff, Trapper, Executioner, Juggernaut, or the Godfather. Godfather gets great claimspace from Sheriff and Executioner, and Trapper makes a great last-ditch claim. Juggernaut helps to add some extra pressure, although this result still works well without it.Seems good for GF.
Doctor, Jailor, Janitor, Serial Killer, Potion Master - Your target's hands are constantly stained. They must be a Doctor, Janitor, Serial Killer, Potion Master, or the Jailor. Potion Master can heal somebody and claim Doctor, Janitor can claim Jailor if they clean him, and Serial Killer gets the same solid Doctor claim it's always had. Good , janitor need some pressure , it gives that . [color=#00FFFF][/color] Veteran, Tracker, Disguiser, Survivor, Werewolf - Your target is extremely paranoid. They must be a Veteran, Tracker, Disguiser, Survivor, or Werewolf. No result can be truly great without a Coven result, but there aren't enough of those and I finally made a list that doesn't completely screw over the Werewolf and hang it out to dry. Yet another result that works without being anything special. Hard times for werewolf . Crusader, Ambusher, Guardian Angel, Poisoner - [NEEDS LORE]. They must be a Crusader, Ambusher, Guardian Angel, or Poisoner. All Coven DLC roles, so nobody loses claimspace if you're playing without the Coven expansion. lore : Your target waits in front of his target's house .
Psychic, Hypnotist, Plaguebearer, Pestilence, Hex Master - [NEEDS LORE]. They must be a Psychic, Hypnotist, Plaguebearer, Pestilence, or Hex Master. Short of giving Pestilence its own result, it makes sense to just put it in with the Plaguebearer.
Lore : Your target 's eyes is Sensitive .
Framer, Vampire, Arsonist - Your target has been acting up recently. They must be a Framer, Vampire, or Arsonist. Removing Jester and adding Arsonist simply cleans things up. Rip Arsonist Food for Thought:
Should Arsonist remain with Framer and Vampire? Or should it have its own result and leave Framer and Vampire on their own?You should add a townie in this Result .
Should I swap any of the Coven roles around, such as Hex Master and Poisoner?
Should I swap Transporter and Lookout, so there are one TI and one TP in each of their Investigator results?
Should I swap Disguiser and Forger, so Disguiser can claim to be Medium or Retributionist and when the real one counter-claims it he can disguise as them and they'll be hanged when the Disguiser dies?
This list IS NOT PERFECT. Please give feedback. You never know when your idea will make everything just work. Suggestions are much appreciated. Thank you all Extra special thanks to those whom have helped me balance and test this list, especially: Spoiler:Kiyosen Cyantic TrueGent isrlygood Purplesidewalk1 Edmund McGaben Flamingkamikaze Jfire Bloodringe KittenLicks BPsycho2 BS4125 Also extra special thanks to those whom have made lists like this before, especially: Spoiler:Kiyosen - http://www.blankmediagames.com/phpbb/vi ... 14&t=21985 Bloodringe - http://www.blankmediagames.com/phpbb/vi ... 14&t=21917 Elastoid - http://www.blankmediagames.com/phpbb/vi ... 14&t=20968
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lemonader666 wrote:Framer/Vampire/Arsonist has no town for a reason. It is made like that because Framer and Arsonist can frame
By that logic, then shouldn't the hex master be here too? I understand the reason this result exists, I just think its better to have a 1:1:1 rule for results (i.e. 1 town, 1 mafia, 1 coven).
lemonader666 wrote:Framer/Vampire/Arsonist has no town for a reason. It is made like that because Framer and Arsonist can frame
By that logic, then shouldn't the hex master be here too? I understand the reason this result exists, I just think its better to have a 1:1:1 rule for results (i.e. 1 town, 1 mafia, 1 coven).
No. Why the fuck would you put a Town in a purposely scummy invest result?
lemonader666 wrote:Framer/Vampire/Arsonist has no town for a reason. It is made like that because Framer and Arsonist can frame
By that logic, then shouldn't the hex master be here too? I understand the reason this result exists, I just think its better to have a 1:1:1 rule for results (i.e. 1 town, 1 mafia, 1 coven).
Yes. If you look back you can see this is before the community figured out that Hex Master framed people, but Orange should still add it in now. Maybe he's worried about what to put in as a replacement where it currently is?
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