Spiritualist (Neutral Evil)

[BS4125]

Spiritualist

Alignment: Neutral Evil
Abilities:
- Transfer your first target's soul to your second target each night.

Attributes:
- If your first target dies, they will instead survive as a revenant in your second target.
- If you or your second target dies, the revenant will be vanquished.
- Your soul transferal will still exist until you switch your target.
- Town roles will fail upon being your first target.
- Revenants cannot be targeted during the day or night.
- You can upkeep at most 1 revenant, new ones will kill the previous.

Stats:
Attack: None
Defense: None
Priority: 3rd

Goal:
Help your revenant achieve it's goal.

Win Condition
You must kill the Town
You win with the Mafia
You win with Serial Killers
You win with Arsonists
You win with Butchers
You win with Shadowalkers
You win with Electricians
You win with Werewolves
You win with Slaughterers
You win with Witches
You win with Warlocks
You win with Stalkers
You win with Necromorphs
You win with Survivors
You may spare anyone else.

Example:
A = Spiritualist
B = Serial Killer
C = Doctor
D = Consort

N1: A targets C and D
The setup to transferal was unsuccessful due to the first target being Town
N2: A targets B and D
The set up to transferal is successful due to the first target being scum
N3: N/A
The set up to transferal done the previous night still exists
D4: The Town lynches B
The souls were transferred and the Serial Killer didn't die but still lives on in D
N4: A targets D and C
The Serial Killer revenant is killed and the new set up to transferal is successful
D5: The Town lynches D
The souls were transferred and the Consort didn't die but still lives on in C
D6: The Town lynches C
Both the Doctor and the Consort revenant died from their souls being joined

[ProfessorArceus]

I have a few problems with this role. Mainly the fact that it will most likely be a Medium claim (I'm assuming those will be invest results).
Also, this role can kill roles very easily, I'm afraid that is is very overpowered. If you see a scum who will be lynched the next day, you take the Town with it. I would also like to know how and when the bound people dies. Is it the day they are hung, the next night? Consider roleblocking the bound target who will be dying, and killing them the next day? What will be the death message?

Overall, it's a nice idea. I've only made a short post here because it's late and I want this to be in the View my Posts section so I can comment later.

[BS4125]

I have a few problems with this role. Mainly the fact that it will most likely be a Medium claim (I'm assuming those will be invest results).
Also, this role can kill roles very easily, I'm afraid that is is very overpowered. If you see a scum who will be lynched the next day, you take the Town with it. I would also like to know how and when the bound people dies. Is it the day they are hung, the next night? Consider roleblocking the bound target who will be dying, and killing them the next day? What will be the death message?

Overall, it's a nice idea. I've only made a short post here because it's late and I want this to be in the View my Posts section so I can comment later.

I think you've understood wrong, this role doesn't kill at all, it actually does the opposite. When it's first target is killed, it actually doesn't die and lives on the the second target's body, still able to perform their role. The second role does not die too, they're still able to live on, but it's that when it second target does die, then the revenant of the first target dies with it

[ProfessorArceus]

Spoiler:

I have a few problems with this role. Mainly the fact that it will most likely be a Medium claim (I'm assuming those will be invest results).
Also, this role can kill roles very easily, I'm afraid that is is very overpowered. If you see a scum who will be lynched the next day, you take the Town with it. I would also like to know how and when the bound people dies. Is it the day they are hung, the next night? Consider roleblocking the bound target who will be dying, and killing them the next day? What will be the death message?

Overall, it's a nice idea. I've only made a short post here because it's late and I want this to be in the View my Posts section so I can comment later.

I think you've understood wrong, this role doesn't kill at all, it actually does the opposite. When it's first target is killed, it actually doesn't die and lives on the the second target's body, still able to perform their role. The second role does not die too, they're still able to live on, but it's that when it second target does die, then the revenant of the first target dies with it

So it's a protective Neutral evil? I like the idea, but it seems a bit too powerful like that. See if it was an aggressive Neutral Evil, it wouldn't take the Town's main way of killing. The trial system gives Town an unstoppable daily weapon, and this defeats the point of waiting until day. The protective neutral like this, from what I can see, prevents deaths from the trial.
I suggest a more aggressive neutral, which allows Town to still use their trials, but with a constant possibility that another Town might die too?

Also, wouldn't Jester get fucked if it rolled as the any?

I've probably misunderstood this role again, sorry.

Also, I trust that this doesn't work like the old Disguiser when you say "lives on in the second target's body"?

[BS4125]

Spoiler:

I have a few problems with this role. Mainly the fact that it will most likely be a Medium claim (I'm assuming those will be invest results).
Also, this role can kill roles very easily, I'm afraid that is is very overpowered. If you see a scum who will be lynched the next day, you take the Town with it. I would also like to know how and when the bound people dies. Is it the day they are hung, the next night? Consider roleblocking the bound target who will be dying, and killing them the next day? What will be the death message?

Overall, it's a nice idea. I've only made a short post here because it's late and I want this to be in the View my Posts section so I can comment later.

I think you've understood wrong, this role doesn't kill at all, it actually does the opposite. When it's first target is killed, it actually doesn't die and lives on the the second target's body, still able to perform their role. The second role does not die too, they're still able to live on, but it's that when it second target does die, then the revenant of the first target dies with it

So it's a protective Neutral evil? I like the idea, but it seems a bit too powerful like that. See if it was an aggressive Neutral Evil, it wouldn't take the Town's main way of killing. The trial system gives Town an unstoppable daily weapon, and this defeats the point of waiting until day. The protective neutral like this, from what I can see, prevents deaths from the trial.
I suggest a more aggressive neutral, which allows Town to still use their trials, but with a constant possibility that another Town might die too?

Also, wouldn't Jester get fucked if it rolled as the any?

I've probably misunderstood this role again, sorry.

Also, I trust that this doesn't work like the old Disguiser when you say "lives on in the second target's body"?

It is a more protective NE, but so is Jester and Executioner in that regard as they both prevent lynches of actual scum. Probably needs another nerf, I'll look into it

[ProfessorArceus]

Also didn't you make a role with a similar name? Would it be a problem if they both got into tg or the game?

[BS4125]

Also didn't you make a role with a similar name? Would it be a problem if they both got into tg or the game?

I'm abandoning the old one because however much I try to make it not confirmable it destroys core mechanics

[ProfessorArceus]

Also didn't you make a role with a similar name? Would it be a problem if they both got into tg or the game?

I'm abandoning the old one because however much I try to make it not confirmable it destroys core mechanics

Oh, R. I. P.

Also, with regards to your statement about Jesters and Executioners, I'd like to say that their actions do not directly protect Scum. While they use these means to achieve their goal, their actions do not directly involve protection of Scum. Also with the new Jester Overhaul, hopefully Jester will no longer be NE.

[roz1roz]

/support

[roz1roz]

Actualy it's simlar to Nercomorph, cause it allows dead scum to still perform theirs role.

It still is slightly weaker then it cause Spiritualist does not adapt the defense of it's target.
On the other side lookouts/trackers can't really see it, cause he does not perform action instead of the scum. Scum does it, cause they still "live" bound to someone.

Generaly very interesting concept.

[BS4125]

Actualy it's simlar to Nercomorph, cause it allows dead scum to still perform theirs role.

It still is slightly weaker then it cause Spiritualist does not adapt the defense of it's target.
On the other side lookouts/trackers can't really see it, cause he does not perform action instead of the scum. Scum does it, cause they still "live" bound to someone.

Generaly very interesting concept.

And also nothing can happen to the revenant except killing, where it is twice more likely to die

[lemonader666]

/support, really good concept of a Neutral Protective for scum.

[roz1roz]

I'm thinking of actualy increasing number of max. revenants (?)

[BS4125]

I'm thinking of actualy increasing number of max. revenants (?)

Hmm... I'm not sure. I'll have to think about it

[ProfessorArceus]

I'm thinking of actualy increasing number of max. revenants (?)

Hmm... I'm not sure. I'll have to think about it

Having multiple revenants could prove to be too powerful. While it work better as a protective, it can save too many scum, unless the maximum number of revenants is gained very slowly. Plus how would that work? With the normal Witch/Trans menu, only 2 people may be selected.

[kiera26]

It seems kinda confusing but interesting

[Shilster]

Question.

What if the second target is Esc/Cons/Trans, and the first is Spy/BM/Jailor,
and when the first target dies, they live on as the second?
Do the second's invest results change?

Also, if Mafioso attacks the first target (ex. Jester), and your target second target is a Mafia (ex. Consort), then will they know that their Consort has disappeared from their window?

[BS4125]

Question.

What if the second target is Esc/Cons/Trans, and the first is Spy/BM/Jailor,
and when the first target dies, they live on as the second?
Do the second's invest results change?

Also, if Mafioso attacks the first target (ex. Jester), and your target second target is a Mafia (ex. Consort), then will they know that their Consort has disappeared from their window?

1) No the Investigation Results don't change
2) I don't think this role should give feedback like that to make it as unconfirmable as possible

[Shilster]

If the first "dies", will the body die?

[BS4125]

If the first "dies", will the body die?

Yes it will

[Shilster]

So, it's basically a harder-to-play Transporter?