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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Mace8937 » Mon Aug 01, 2016 2:50 pm

Drackzgull wrote:Excelent role idea, definitely should be added to game. I have just one small suggestion:

If you are forced to target yourself, the ability should just fail, because:
- You are already using the Neutral Evil slot, the presence of a Witch is quite unlikely. (in ranked)
- If there is a Witch anyway, they will almost never make you target yourself. Why would they ever unless just randomly and just once?
- If it was a Transporter that messed you up, then the Transporter did his job, and it's fair that they get you to fail.
- Conceptually it makes no sense to bribe yourself, your money is still your money. It makes even less sense to gain voting power from that.

Other than that this is pure perfection. /Support

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Last point: Balance > Lore
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Drackzgull » Mon Aug 01, 2016 4:01 pm

Mace8937 wrote:
Drackzgull wrote:Excelent role idea, definitely should be added to game. I have just one small suggestion:

If you are forced to target yourself, the ability should just fail, because:
- You are already using the Neutral Evil slot, the presence of a Witch is quite unlikely. (in ranked)
- If there is a Witch anyway, they will almost never make you target yourself. Why would they ever unless just randomly and just once?
- If it was a Transporter that messed you up, then the Transporter did his job, and it's fair that they get you to fail.
- Conceptually it makes no sense to bribe yourself, your money is still your money. It makes even less sense to gain voting power from that.

Other than that this is pure perfection. /Support

Witch: Witch would make you target yourself in case you're Jailor to execute whoever you are jailing. Make you kill yourself, if you have no NI and are able to kill. Arso to ignite. Werewolf to stay at home. etc. There's alot of people who do this if you might be one of these roles.
Last point: Balance > Lore

- To force the Jailor to execute someone the Witch must control them to target the jailed person, not themselves. Making them target themselves roleblocks the execution, but anyone except the jailed person works for that as well.
- Making you kill yourself is almost exclusively beneficial for the Witch if you're a Vigilante, and in that case it's far better to make the Vigilante kill another townie, except in very specific and uncommon late game scenarios where a Politician will almost never be suspected of being the Vigilante.
- An exception to the above is making a Mafioso kill themselves when there is no Godfather and the Witch is taking sides with the Neutral Killing. Again an uncommon late game scenario where the Politician won't be the suspect.
- Forcing a Werewolf to stay home is suicide, they will kill all visitors and the Witch will be one of them.
- Arsonist; that one is a good point.

As I mentioned the Politician is already using the Neutral Evil slot so there also being a Witch is unlikely on top of the unlikeliness of the scenarios where the Politician will be forced on himself by the Witch. I think balacing the possibility of being forced to target yourself around the Transporter far outweights balancing it around the Witch.

Balance > Lore indeed, but Lore still gets a little consideration after balance has been argumented, and I have.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Mace8937 » Mon Aug 01, 2016 4:17 pm

Drackzgull wrote:
Mace8937 wrote:
Drackzgull wrote:Excelent role idea, definitely should be added to game. I have just one small suggestion:

If you are forced to target yourself, the ability should just fail, because:
- You are already using the Neutral Evil slot, the presence of a Witch is quite unlikely. (in ranked)
- If there is a Witch anyway, they will almost never make you target yourself. Why would they ever unless just randomly and just once?
- If it was a Transporter that messed you up, then the Transporter did his job, and it's fair that they get you to fail.
- Conceptually it makes no sense to bribe yourself, your money is still your money. It makes even less sense to gain voting power from that.

Other than that this is pure perfection. /Support

Witch: Witch would make you target yourself in case you're Jailor to execute whoever you are jailing. Make you kill yourself, if you have no NI and are able to kill. Arso to ignite. Werewolf to stay at home. etc. There's alot of people who do this if you might be one of these roles.
Last point: Balance > Lore

- Forcing a Werewolf to stay home is suicide, they will kill all visitors and the Witch will be one of them.

Balance > Lore indeed, but Lore still gets a little consideration after balance has been argumented, and I have.

(Just going to focus on these two points)
1. Suiciding might be worth it to get rid of a few important Townies. But it be gamethrowing, considering you have to survive to the end of the game. Then again, you are killing Townies, which is towards your wincon. But I agree, it's a stupid strategy. Unless you got outed after voting the previous day, and were going to die anyway.
2. However, Lore should not affect the Balance of a role.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Drackzgull » Mon Aug 01, 2016 6:25 pm

Mace8937 wrote: Spoiler:
Drackzgull wrote:
Mace8937 wrote:
Drackzgull wrote:Excelent role idea, definitely should be added to game. I have just one small suggestion:

If you are forced to target yourself, the ability should just fail, because:
- You are already using the Neutral Evil slot, the presence of a Witch is quite unlikely. (in ranked)
- If there is a Witch anyway, they will almost never make you target yourself. Why would they ever unless just randomly and just once?
- If it was a Transporter that messed you up, then the Transporter did his job, and it's fair that they get you to fail.
- Conceptually it makes no sense to bribe yourself, your money is still your money. It makes even less sense to gain voting power from that.

Other than that this is pure perfection. /Support

Witch: Witch would make you target yourself in case you're Jailor to execute whoever you are jailing. Make you kill yourself, if you have no NI and are able to kill. Arso to ignite. Werewolf to stay at home. etc. There's alot of people who do this if you might be one of these roles.
Last point: Balance > Lore

- Forcing a Werewolf to stay home is suicide, they will kill all visitors and the Witch will be one of them.

Balance > Lore indeed, but Lore still gets a little consideration after balance has been argumented, and I have.

(Just going to focus on these two points)
1. Suiciding might be worth it to get rid of a few important Townies. But it be gamethrowing, considering you have to survive to the end of the game. Then again, you are killing Townies, which is towards your wincon. But I agree, it's a stupid strategy. Unless you got outed after voting the previous day, and were going to die anyway.
2. However, Lore should not affect the Balance of a role.


You are correct on both points. However the lore is not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that I believe, for reasons I have explained, that when the Politician's ability is forced to be targeted on himself, making the ability fail is a more balanced solution than it's current state. The lore just so happens to agree with my posture.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Mace8937 » Mon Aug 01, 2016 8:25 pm

Drackzgull wrote:
Mace8937 wrote: Spoiler:
Drackzgull wrote:
Mace8937 wrote:
Drackzgull wrote:Excelent role idea, definitely should be added to game. I have just one small suggestion:

If you are forced to target yourself, the ability should just fail, because:
- You are already using the Neutral Evil slot, the presence of a Witch is quite unlikely. (in ranked)
- If there is a Witch anyway, they will almost never make you target yourself. Why would they ever unless just randomly and just once?
- If it was a Transporter that messed you up, then the Transporter did his job, and it's fair that they get you to fail.
- Conceptually it makes no sense to bribe yourself, your money is still your money. It makes even less sense to gain voting power from that.

Other than that this is pure perfection. /Support

Witch: Witch would make you target yourself in case you're Jailor to execute whoever you are jailing. Make you kill yourself, if you have no NI and are able to kill. Arso to ignite. Werewolf to stay at home. etc. There's alot of people who do this if you might be one of these roles.
Last point: Balance > Lore

- Forcing a Werewolf to stay home is suicide, they will kill all visitors and the Witch will be one of them.

Balance > Lore indeed, but Lore still gets a little consideration after balance has been argumented, and I have.

(Just going to focus on these two points)
1. Suiciding might be worth it to get rid of a few important Townies. But it be gamethrowing, considering you have to survive to the end of the game. Then again, you are killing Townies, which is towards your wincon. But I agree, it's a stupid strategy. Unless you got outed after voting the previous day, and were going to die anyway.
2. However, Lore should not affect the Balance of a role.


You are correct on both points. However the lore is not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that I believe, for reasons I have explained, that when the Politician's ability is forced to be targeted on himself, making the ability fail is a more balanced solution than it's current state. The lore just so happens to agree with my posture.

However, why would the Politician not be able to do his ability when Witched/Transported to himself when other roles can?
Killing, going on alert, checking if vampire (useless, but still happens), blackmailing, cleaning, etc.
It seems unfair if the Politician is targeted to himself and it does nothing, when other roles have to deal with the consequences/time wasting of targeting themselves.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Drackzgull » Mon Aug 01, 2016 8:45 pm

Mace8937 wrote: Spoiler:
Drackzgull wrote:
Mace8937 wrote:
Drackzgull wrote:
Mace8937 wrote:
Drackzgull wrote:Excelent role idea, definitely should be added to game. I have just one small suggestion:

If you are forced to target yourself, the ability should just fail, because:
- You are already using the Neutral Evil slot, the presence of a Witch is quite unlikely. (in ranked)
- If there is a Witch anyway, they will almost never make you target yourself. Why would they ever unless just randomly and just once?
- If it was a Transporter that messed you up, then the Transporter did his job, and it's fair that they get you to fail.
- Conceptually it makes no sense to bribe yourself, your money is still your money. It makes even less sense to gain voting power from that.

Other than that this is pure perfection. /Support

Witch: Witch would make you target yourself in case you're Jailor to execute whoever you are jailing. Make you kill yourself, if you have no NI and are able to kill. Arso to ignite. Werewolf to stay at home. etc. There's alot of people who do this if you might be one of these roles.
Last point: Balance > Lore

- Forcing a Werewolf to stay home is suicide, they will kill all visitors and the Witch will be one of them.

Balance > Lore indeed, but Lore still gets a little consideration after balance has been argumented, and I have.

(Just going to focus on these two points)
1. Suiciding might be worth it to get rid of a few important Townies. But it be gamethrowing, considering you have to survive to the end of the game. Then again, you are killing Townies, which is towards your wincon. But I agree, it's a stupid strategy. Unless you got outed after voting the previous day, and were going to die anyway.
2. However, Lore should not affect the Balance of a role.


You are correct on both points. However the lore is not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that I believe, for reasons I have explained, that when the Politician's ability is forced to be targeted on himself, making the ability fail is a more balanced solution than it's current state. The lore just so happens to agree with my posture.

However, why would the Politician not be able to do his ability when Witched/Transported to himself when other roles can?
Killing, going on alert, checking if vampire (useless, but still happens), blackmailing, cleaning, etc.
It seems unfair if the Politician is targeted to himself and it does nothing, when other roles have to deal with the consequences/time wasting of targeting themselves.


Because the ability of the Politician is stealing someone's vote, if you steal your own vote then you only get your vote, the way you have it it becomes an entirely different ability when used on yourself, duplicating the target's (you) vote instead of stealing it. The Bodyguard is a good example of a similar case, if as a Bodyguard you're forced to target yourself then you get forced to use your vest, if you don't have your vest anymore then you just fail, you don't get to guard yourself, and potentially sacrifice yourself to protect yourself killing your attacker. True, the Bodyguard's vest is a different ability than the one he uses on others, but so is the Politician's, the difference is the Politician can't use this alternate ability unless he's forced to.

EDIT: I actually just thought of a better alternative than just making it fail. Make it disable your LeftBox to cast your vote, while making your RightBox comandeer your vote. This way the ability can be forced on yourself, and it's the same ability you use on anyone else.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Mace8937 » Mon Aug 01, 2016 8:55 pm

Drackzgull wrote:EDIT: I actually just thought of a better alternative than just making it fail. Make it disable your LeftBox to cast your vote, while making your RightBox comandeer your vote. This way the ability can be forced on yourself, and it's the same ability you use on anyone else.

Isn't that the same as making it fail?
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Drackzgull » Mon Aug 01, 2016 9:03 pm

Mace8937 wrote:
Drackzgull wrote:EDIT: I actually just thought of a better alternative than just making it fail. Make it disable your LeftBox to cast your vote, while making your RightBox comandeer your vote. This way the ability can be forced on yourself, and it's the same ability you use on anyone else.

Isn't that the same as making it fail?

Yes it is, but that's because of the nature of the skill.
Isn't framing yourself as a Framer also failing?
Or roleblocking yourself as an Escort/Consort? Actually that one literally fails because you are immune to roleblocking.
Disguising yourself is also possible if you get killed the same night. But isn't that also a fail?

I don't see a problem with it being equivalent to a fail if it is because that's just how the ability works. You would be effectively stealing your own vote, pointless as that might be.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Mace8937 » Mon Aug 01, 2016 9:36 pm

Drackzgull wrote:
Mace8937 wrote:
Drackzgull wrote:EDIT: I actually just thought of a better alternative than just making it fail. Make it disable your LeftBox to cast your vote, while making your RightBox comandeer your vote. This way the ability can be forced on yourself, and it's the same ability you use on anyone else.

Isn't that the same as making it fail?

Yes it is, but that's because of the nature of the skill.
Isn't framing yourself as a Framer also failing?
Or roleblocking yourself as an Escort/Consort? Actually that one literally fails because you are immune to roleblocking.
Disguising yourself is also possible if you get killed the same night. But isn't that also a fail?

I don't see a problem with it being equivalent to a fail if it is because that's just how the ability works.

Just saying it failed is way simpler than saying it worked, but only to the degree of where it's basically the same thing as failing.
Also, I won't change it unless the majority of people who voted in the petition agree with it. Because they seem to like it the way it is.
(Also, just to help with some possible confusion: I did make other changes without the majority of people liking the changes, because I knew it was for the better. But this one I'm going to have to get feedback from others. :))
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Drackzgull » Mon Aug 01, 2016 9:48 pm

Mace8937 wrote: Spoiler:
Drackzgull wrote:
Mace8937 wrote:
Drackzgull wrote:EDIT: I actually just thought of a better alternative than just making it fail. Make it disable your LeftBox to cast your vote, while making your RightBox comandeer your vote. This way the ability can be forced on yourself, and it's the same ability you use on anyone else.

Isn't that the same as making it fail?

Yes it is, but that's because of the nature of the skill.
Isn't framing yourself as a Framer also failing?
Or roleblocking yourself as an Escort/Consort? Actually that one literally fails because you are immune to roleblocking.
Disguising yourself is also possible if you get killed the same night. But isn't that also a fail?

I don't see a problem with it being equivalent to a fail if it is because that's just how the ability works.

Just saying it failed is way simpler than saying it worked, but only to the degree of where it's basically the same thing as failing.
Also, I won't change it unless the majority of people who voted in the petition agree with it. Because they seem to like it the way it is.
(Also, just to help with some possible confusion: I did make other changes without the majority of people liking the changes, because I knew it was for the better. But this one I'm going to have to get feedback from others. :))

Sure, that's good, I just really feel like it's the right way to do it.

Sorry for not being able to shut up about it :lol:
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Mace8937 » Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:01 pm

Drackzgull wrote:
Mace8937 wrote: Spoiler:
Drackzgull wrote:
Mace8937 wrote:
Drackzgull wrote:EDIT: I actually just thought of a better alternative than just making it fail. Make it disable your LeftBox to cast your vote, while making your RightBox comandeer your vote. This way the ability can be forced on yourself, and it's the same ability you use on anyone else.

Isn't that the same as making it fail?

Yes it is, but that's because of the nature of the skill.
Isn't framing yourself as a Framer also failing?
Or roleblocking yourself as an Escort/Consort? Actually that one literally fails because you are immune to roleblocking.
Disguising yourself is also possible if you get killed the same night. But isn't that also a fail?

I don't see a problem with it being equivalent to a fail if it is because that's just how the ability works.

Just saying it failed is way simpler than saying it worked, but only to the degree of where it's basically the same thing as failing.
Also, I won't change it unless the majority of people who voted in the petition agree with it. Because they seem to like it the way it is.
(Also, just to help with some possible confusion: I did make other changes without the majority of people liking the changes, because I knew it was for the better. But this one I'm going to have to get feedback from others. :))

Sure, that's good, I just really feel like it's the right way to do it.

Sorry for not being able to shut up about it :lol:

Nah, it's fine.
It was constructive criticism :)
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Mace8937 » Thu Aug 04, 2016 2:20 pm

I'm editing the Politician's Investigator results to fit the new 1.5 results.
(Spy/Blackmailer/Jailor/Politician)
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby BPsycho2 » Thu Aug 04, 2016 2:37 pm

Spy, Jailor, Blackmailer, Politician

BMG did the order wrong this time around.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Mace8937 » Thu Aug 04, 2016 2:39 pm

BPsycho2 wrote:Spy, Jailor, Blackmailer, Politician

BMG did the order wrong this time around.

Why is that the order?
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Ultragamershiko » Thu Aug 04, 2016 4:08 pm

This role is excellent! It can really save the maf and is very similar to the witch. Remember, witch wants to kill town as well so don't feel like the victory conditions make this role more like a mafia member
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby JPHero16 » Fri Aug 05, 2016 5:29 am

But the Polician CAN work with mafia, so if they just find eachother they work together to kill town and they both win. personally i think: its neutral, so it's not supposed to team with Town OR Mafia, but he can team with mafia like this.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Cenas4life » Fri Aug 05, 2016 7:18 am

JPHero16 wrote:But the Polician CAN work with mafia, so if they just find eachother they work together to kill town and they both win. personally i think: its neutral, so it's not supposed to team with Town OR Mafia, but he can team with mafia like this.


Witch is meant to team with mafia.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Mace8937 » Fri Aug 05, 2016 3:39 pm

Cenas4life wrote:
JPHero16 wrote:But the Polician CAN work with mafia, so if they just find eachother they work together to kill town and they both win. personally i think: its neutral, so it's not supposed to team with Town OR Mafia, but he can team with mafia like this.


Witch is meant to team with mafia.

Witch is meant to team with anything not Town.
Not just Mafia.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Cenas4life » Fri Aug 05, 2016 3:49 pm

Mace8937 wrote:
Cenas4life wrote:
JPHero16 wrote:But the Polician CAN work with mafia, so if they just find eachother they work together to kill town and they both win. personally i think: its neutral, so it's not supposed to team with Town OR Mafia, but he can team with mafia like this.


Witch is meant to team with mafia.

Witch is meant to team with anything not Town.
Not just Mafia.


True, but when I see witch when it is usually with the mafia.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Mace8937 » Fri Aug 05, 2016 3:54 pm

Cenas4life wrote:
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Cenas4life wrote:
JPHero16 wrote:But the Polician CAN work with mafia, so if they just find eachother they work together to kill town and they both win. personally i think: its neutral, so it's not supposed to team with Town OR Mafia, but he can team with mafia like this.


Witch is meant to team with mafia.

Witch is meant to team with anything not Town.
Not just Mafia.


True, but when I see witch when it is usually with the mafia.


Witch usually chooses to side with Mafia because they have the highest winrate beside Town.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby JeffColwin » Sat Aug 06, 2016 3:04 am

This is a brilliant role, and I think it works perfectly as neutral evil because its kinda like a witch, except during day time. I think the only issue is the bribed target being able to say that he has been bribed during the day so everyone knows his vote is useless.
Also I think the spirit of the character is NE but he would be far more effective as mafia because that extra vote can really save a mafia member from being lynched. The bribed target being able to speak also won't be an issue in this case, especially late in the game. So Mafia support please.

Okay I came off as confused there XD I meant I think it'd work perfectly as NE if the target was unable to speak during that day, but this would essentially be an overpowered blackmailer so mafia support and what I said in the second paragraph works
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby cxl1024 » Sat Aug 06, 2016 5:04 am

JeffColwin wrote:This is a brilliant role, and I think it works perfectly as neutral evil because its kinda like a witch, except during day time. I think the only issue is the bribed target being able to say that he has been bribed during the day so everyone knows his vote is useless.
Also I think the spirit of the character is NE but he would be far more effective as mafia because that extra vote can really save a mafia member from being lynched. The bribed target being able to speak also won't be an issue in this case, especially late in the game. So Mafia support please.

Okay I came off as confused there XD I meant I think it'd work perfectly as NE if the target was unable to speak during that day, but this would essentially be an overpowered blackmailer so mafia support and what I said in the second paragraph works


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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Mace8937 » Sat Aug 06, 2016 2:08 pm

JeffColwin wrote:This is a brilliant role, and I think it works perfectly as neutral evil because its kinda like a witch, except during day time. I think the only issue is the bribed target being able to say that he has been bribed during the day so everyone knows his vote is useless.
Also I think the spirit of the character is NE but he would be far more effective as mafia because that extra vote can really save a mafia member from being lynched. The bribed target being able to speak also won't be an issue in this case, especially late in the game. So Mafia support please.

Okay I came off as confused there XD I meant I think it'd work perfectly as NE if the target was unable to speak during that day, but this would essentially be an overpowered blackmailer so mafia support and what I said in the second paragraph works

I am not changing Politician to any type of Mafia. It's Neutral Evil. And that's where it will stay.
I am not adding the blackmailing part. Blackmailer's already a role, and we don't need one with the ability to get 2 votes.
Also, you stated that if he said that his vote is useless because he was bribed. People can easily fake this.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby MaskedPokerFace » Wed Aug 17, 2016 5:02 pm

i think you rename it as "Dictator"
kill someone to get his vote.
if you reach 4 votes than town will know that you are dictator.
it is a suggestion ;)
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby BPsycho2 » Wed Aug 17, 2016 5:10 pm

what the?
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