Mace8937 wrote:Drackzgull wrote:Excelent role idea, definitely should be added to game. I have just one small suggestion:
If you are forced to target yourself, the ability should just fail, because:
- You are already using the Neutral Evil slot, the presence of a Witch is quite unlikely. (in ranked)
- If there is a Witch anyway, they will almost never make you target yourself. Why would they ever unless just randomly and just once?
- If it was a Transporter that messed you up, then the Transporter did his job, and it's fair that they get you to fail.
- Conceptually it makes no sense to bribe yourself, your money is still your money. It makes even less sense to gain voting power from that.
Other than that this is pure perfection. /Support
Witch: Witch would make you target yourself in case you're Jailor to execute whoever you are jailing. Make you kill yourself, if you have no NI and are able to kill. Arso to ignite. Werewolf to stay at home. etc. There's alot of people who do this if you might be one of these roles.
Last point: Balance > Lore
- To force the Jailor to execute someone the Witch must control them to target the jailed person, not themselves. Making them target themselves roleblocks the execution, but anyone except the jailed person works for that as well.
- Making you kill yourself is almost exclusively beneficial for the Witch if you're a Vigilante, and in that case it's far better to make the Vigilante kill another townie, except in very specific and uncommon late game scenarios where a Politician will almost never be suspected of being the Vigilante.
- An exception to the above is making a Mafioso kill themselves when there is no Godfather and the Witch is taking sides with the Neutral Killing. Again an uncommon late game scenario where the Politician won't be the suspect.
- Forcing a Werewolf to stay home is suicide, they will kill all visitors and the Witch will be one of them.
- Arsonist; that one is a good point.
As I mentioned the Politician is already using the Neutral Evil slot so there also being a Witch is unlikely on top of the unlikeliness of the scenarios where the Politician will be forced on himself by the Witch. I think balacing the possibility of being forced to target yourself around the Transporter far outweights balancing it around the Witch.
Balance > Lore indeed, but Lore still gets a little consideration after balance has been argumented, and I have.