alex1234321 wrote:For the people who say this would nerf Town too much, how often do Townies even whisper for other reasons? Sure, a Lookout might whisper its target asking for its night results. However, that player should be giving their night results in the daychat unless they are scum. Also, confirmed Townies often find each other through whispers. Confirmed Townies are another thing that should not exist. Town is the uninformed majority and should have to work in order to find scum. A Lookout could whisper that they found the Jailor, but they could easily just say, "I know your role I'm Lookout." The Jailor could then jail the Lookout.
M3rkTiger wrote:alex1234321 wrote:For the people who say this would nerf Town too much, how often do Townies even whisper for other reasons? Sure, a Lookout might whisper its target asking for its night results. However, that player should be giving their night results in the daychat unless they are scum. Also, confirmed Townies often find each other through whispers. Confirmed Townies are another thing that should not exist. Town is the uninformed majority and should have to work in order to find scum. A Lookout could whisper that they found the Jailor, but they could easily just say, "I know your role I'm Lookout." The Jailor could then jail the Lookout.
The uninformed majority doesn't mean "never know anything ever" it means you have to find out who to trust and work together. Confirmed townies will happen regardless. If there were no confirmed town all day chat would be is just invests finding an evil and everybody calling them exe. Whispers are essential.
alex1234321 wrote:M3rkTiger wrote:alex1234321 wrote:For the people who say this would nerf Town too much, how often do Townies even whisper for other reasons? Sure, a Lookout might whisper its target asking for its night results. However, that player should be giving their night results in the daychat unless they are scum. Also, confirmed Townies often find each other through whispers. Confirmed Townies are another thing that should not exist. Town is the uninformed majority and should have to work in order to find scum. A Lookout could whisper that they found the Jailor, but they could easily just say, "I know your role I'm Lookout." The Jailor could then jail the Lookout.
The uninformed majority doesn't mean "never know anything ever" it means you have to find out who to trust and work together. Confirmed townies will happen regardless. If there were no confirmed town all day chat would be is just invests finding an evil and everybody calling them exe. Whispers are essential.
What about players trying to actively scumhunt? There should be as few confirmed Townies as possible in order to promote competitive play from the Town. There will always be Towns where nobody says anything besides TIs, but the game should not be balanced for bad players.
M3rkTiger wrote:alex1234321 wrote:M3rkTiger wrote:alex1234321 wrote:For the people who say this would nerf Town too much, how often do Townies even whisper for other reasons? Sure, a Lookout might whisper its target asking for its night results. However, that player should be giving their night results in the daychat unless they are scum. Also, confirmed Townies often find each other through whispers. Confirmed Townies are another thing that should not exist. Town is the uninformed majority and should have to work in order to find scum. A Lookout could whisper that they found the Jailor, but they could easily just say, "I know your role I'm Lookout." The Jailor could then jail the Lookout.
The uninformed majority doesn't mean "never know anything ever" it means you have to find out who to trust and work together. Confirmed townies will happen regardless. If there were no confirmed town all day chat would be is just invests finding an evil and everybody calling them exe. Whispers are essential.
What about players trying to actively scumhunt? There should be as few confirmed Townies as possible in order to promote competitive play from the Town. There will always be Towns where nobody says anything besides TIs, but the game should not be balanced for bad players.
I never said it was balanced for bad players, but how can players be competitive if there's absolutely no trust and nobody to trust? As I said, simply a silent town and executioner claims every time someone accuses someone else. It's already difficult to confirm some of the harder to confirm roles and some easier to confirm roles too. Not all players are scum readers. Not all players are investigatives, so I wouldn't expect anybody who isn't to speak out against someone. Giving godfather, a confirmed existing role, the ability to read whispers and taking away the town's most powerful asset, just makes town unable to work together, and if town can't work together, they lose. Plain and simple.
EmeraldDS wrote:/no support
Whisper games are an issue but this is not the answer. This severely nerfs Town's ability to share information among "confirmed" Townies. I get that the Town needs nerfing, but this just puts the same pressure on it as Spy put on Mafia. The point of whispers is that they are private. One role which can read whispers is enough. If one role is guaranteed to be able to read whispers in each Ranked game, then whispers would become obsolete.
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