Town of Salem 1.5 - Outdated?

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Are Town Leader (formerly Town Power) and the resulting Mayor/Retributionist buffs good ideas?

Buff Mayor and Retributionist so they can fit in Town Leader with the more powerful Jailor.
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Make Retributionist die when it revives a player and keep it Town Support. Add another Town Leader role.
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Make Retributionist die when it revives a player and keep it Town Support. Have only Mayor and Jailor as Town Leader.
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Nerf Mayor and Retributionist, and have a confirmed Jailor. No Town Leader.
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Re: Town of Salem 1.5

Postby agenth » Wed Aug 03, 2016 1:38 am

do you lose all your Points for 1.5? Because I see 0 coins at the test site and in the old site I have about 3k.
I put on the medium scrolls I got from a random brew - past 15 games I've played: never gotten medium.
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Re: Town of Salem 1.5

Postby JazzMusicStops » Wed Aug 03, 2016 1:43 am

agenth wrote:do you lose all your Points for 1.5? Because I see 0 coins at the test site and in the old site I have about 3k.

Wrong thread

Also, you have different numbers of TP on the main game and the PTR
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Re: Town of Salem 1.5

Postby Villagerlover » Wed Aug 03, 2016 1:02 pm

orangeandblack5 wrote:Neutral Benigns unbalance the game, and letting one roll instead of the Neutral Evil is a bad idea.

There is zero reason that roles that are benign (aka don't do anything) should be in Ranked.



Zero reason?? Uuuuuuuh. NO.
Survivors are free claim space + en extra vote for whoever. Which means the survivor can sometimes be the decision between who wins. This happens a lot more than you might think.

Amnesiacs JOIN a side. They could end up being an extra mafia member, they could be another townie who ends up saving the day, or maybe even become another neutral killing role, which only adds chaos to the game.


Neutral benign roles have EVERY reason to be in ranked.
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Re: Town of Salem 1.5

Postby Kirize12 » Wed Aug 03, 2016 1:05 pm

Kingmaking is bad not good.
Factional balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because they cause Town to win a disproportionate amount

Strategical balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because there's no reason to use any other strategy

Structural balance - understanding that disabling the Mayor's whispers, despite it fixing whisper games, means that a player can't use a core mechanic of the game and is still bad

This matters - educate yourself.
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Re: Town of Salem 1.5

Postby orangeandblack5 » Wed Aug 03, 2016 1:10 pm

Survivor? Free claimspace?

Only if you want to die.
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Re: Town of Salem 1.5

Postby Donlok » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:07 pm

It's coming !!!!!
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Re: Town of Salem 1.5

Postby orangeandblack5 » Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:32 pm

Wrong thread !!!!!
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Re: Town of Salem 1.5

Postby Villagerlover » Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:20 pm

orangeandblack5 wrote:Edit: Update 1.5 has been announced, and it looks like a pretty great step in the right direction. I will not change the name of this thread, but it looks like BMG is making strides in good directions balance-wise, and the new programmers will help accelerate the process even more. Should be awesome.

It's back baby!

Welcome to the new, improved, and re-purposed Town of Salem 1.5 thread (previously known as Town of Salem 2.0).

This was, surprisingly, kicked off by something that Mroz4k said in a random thread not long ago.
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Mroz4k wrote:Lets come up with a series of changes to the most troublesome parts of the game, ones that we all will agree upon, and push them as a change together.

I am not talking about another Town of Salem V.2 - nothing on that scale. I am thinking about sitting down, figuring out what are the biggest problems with the game right now, and try to make simple adjustments that would eradicate it with huge emphasis on not over-buffing/over-nerfing the allignment (which was the biggest problem of the Town of Salem V.2).

Here are my thoughts on things that need changing the most:
  • Easily confirmable roles = preferable removal of ability to "confirm" for most of them, others ability to confirm themselves in some sort of nerfed form:
    Mayor, Retributionist, ressurected Town, Veteran, Spy, Vigilante.
  • Needed buff for Disguiser, Framer, Forger
  • increase to win rate of Neutral Killings (collective or individual buffs)
  • new, better Ranked rolelist, in consideration of these other changes
  • changes to Vampire and Vampire Hunter

So, here's the basic idea. This is a compilation of the best, most popular, and most agreed-upon suggestions in the ToS community. They are all things that most players have agreed need to be done, and sooner rather than later. It will be a much smaller list than the original ToS 2.0 thread was, but it will also be much less debatable, because everything in this list has already been debated to death and everything here has been mostly agreed upon. This should hopefully result in less fighting and more pushing the devs to fix the largest holes in the game right now. Now, with all that said, here's the list:
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Spy Changes:
Spoiler: -Remove ability to read Mafia night chat
-Remove ability to read whispers once dead
-[Maybe] Now has three night actions that let it read whispers on the next day

Blackmailer Changes:
Spoiler: -Can read whispers
Framer Changes:
Spoiler: -Now makes framed targets appear with the Mafia Killing role to Lookouts
-Now makes any Mafia visits to the framed target not show up to Spy (including Framer), and makes the framed target's visit show up to the Spy
-Now can frame Mafia members show up as Not Suspicious to a Sheriff and as Framed to Investigator
-[Maybe] Can now change apparent cause of death of the framed target via moon button, priority Vig>BG>GF/Maf>Jailor>SK>Arso>Jester>WW>Vet (priority debatable)

Disguiser Changes:
Spoiler: -On first disguise, the Disguiser´s Last Will is displayed (acts as a forge, but uses the Disguiser's actual last will).
-On second disguise, the first victim´s Last Will is displayed.
-On third disguise, the second victim´s Last Will is displayed.
-Upon death, the most recent victim's Last Will is displayed (only way the third victim's Last Will will be displayed).

Doctor Changes:
Spoiler: -Healed targets of attacks now show up as immune to the attacker
Lookout Changes:
Spoiler: -Now a Town Protective role
Bodyguard Changes:
Spoiler: -Can only kill Werewolf when its target is attacked, not when its target visits the Werewolf's target
Vigilante Changes:
Spoiler: -Death Note Removed
-Cannot shoot revealed Mayor unless controlled or target is transported (need to figure out how to make this work with Vampire)

Veteran Changes:
Spoiler: -Death Note Removed
Jailor Changes:
Spoiler: -Death Note Removed
-Number of executions reduced to 2 (and/or some other nerf, because holy crap this thing is OP)

Arsonist Changes:
Spoiler: -Douses now give no feedback notification
-Dousing an undoused target now extends the draw detector by one night
-Now makes doused targets "smell like gas" to an Investigator, effectively framing them as an Arsonist
-Now detectable by Sheriff

Sheriff Changes:
Spoiler: -Can now detect Arsonist
-Can now detect Werewolf on non-full moons
-Can now detect Vampires
-Can now not detect framed Mafia members
-Or scrap all of the above changes and make it an alignment detector

Amnesiac Changes:
Spoiler: -Can now remember as Godfather or Mafioso if no other Mafia roles are dead
-Doing so with only one Mafia Killing role alive makes you the other one, regardless of which one you remembered (if the only living MK role is GF you become a Mafioso and vice-versa)
-Doing so with both Mafia Killing roles alive rolls you a Random Mafia role (if both a GF and a Mafioso are alive you roll a new Mafia role)
-No longer gives a Town-wide notification upon remembering a role

Transporter Changes:
Spoiler: -No longer gives feedback notifications
-Can no longer transport Jester guilt

Executioner Changes:
Spoiler: -Can now have Spy as its target
-Can no longer have any Town Power role as its target
-Now loses night immunity after hanging its target
-Town must now kill it to win (the game cannot end in Town victory if an Executioner is alive)

Forger Changes:
Spoiler: -Forged Will can now be edited during the day or nights when you haven't picked anybody
-Forges carry over into the next day and affect lynched targets

Godfather Changes:
Spoiler: -Can choose which Mafia member is promoted next via buttons in the Mafia box
Werewolf Changes:
Spoiler: -Now detectable by Sheriff on non-full moon nights
-Still cannot kill on Night 1, no matter what
-Always kills visitors on full moon nights OR can kill on non-full moon nights if it didn't kill 2+ people the night before OR can kill every night, but killing 2+ people removes its kill for the next night

Witch Changes:
Spoiler: -Can now control people that have left but are not yet dead
Alignment Changes:
Spoiler: -Town Power added (Ret, Mayor, Jailor)
-Neutral Benign changed to Neutral Unaligned
-Neutral Chaos removed OR restricted to Chaos game modes
-Lookout is now Town Protective

Jester Changes:
Spoiler: -Now Neutral Unaligned
Investigator Changes:
Spoiler: -Change Investigator Results List to:
  • Framer, Vampire (Framed Targets)
  • Escort, Consort
  • Spy, Vampire Hunter, Blackmailer
  • Mayor, Jailor, Retributionist
  • Vigilante, Bodyguard, Mafioso
  • Investigator, Consigliere, Amnesiac
  • Lookout, Forger, Witch
  • Doctor, Disguiser, Serial Killer
  • Sheriff, Transporter, Godfather, Executioner
  • Medium, Janitor, Jester
  • Veteran, Survivor, Werewolf
  • Arsonist (Doused Targets)

Role-list Changes:
Spoiler:
  • Town Power
  • Town Investigative
  • Town Investigative
  • Town Support
  • Town Protective
  • Town Killing
  • Random Town
  • Random Town
  • Random Town
  • Godfather
  • Mafioso
  • Random Mafia
  • Random Mafia
  • Neutral Killing
  • Neutral Evil

Mayor Changes:
Spoiler: -Can now be healed by Doctors (buffed so it can be part of Town Power)
Retributionist Changes:
Spoiler: -Self-revives if killed without reviving anybody (buffed so it can be part of Town Power)

The other option is to nerf the Ret so it dies when it revives somebody and not make it a part of the Town Power grouping. However, this would require a reshuffle of the Investigator results list and warrant the addition of a new Town Power role.

Vampire and Vampire Hunter Changes:
Spoiler: -See here: viewtopic.php?f=27&t=33899&p=1011786#p1011786
Gamemode Changes:
Spoiler: -New gamemode "Chaotic Custom", which is an exact copy of Custom but in the Chaos section and will host all of the crazy games
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If you don't understand any of these suggestions, feel free to ask for clarification. If I goofed and forgot something, let me know!

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I laughed so hard because 94% of this isn't in the 1.5 patch.
Change the name of this thread so that no one is confused, please. 'cause almost none of these ideas are in the 1.5 patch
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Re: Town of Salem 1.5

Postby JazzMusicStops » Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:50 am

Why the fuck did you quote the OP and then not read the first part of the thing you quoted?
And you may say to yourself, "My God! What have I done?"

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Re: Town of Salem 1.5

Postby Pelaaja1 » Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:59 am


I laughed so hard because 94% of this isn't in the 1.5 patch.
Change the name of this thread so that no one is confused, please. 'cause almost none of these ideas are in the 1.5 patch
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Good, because I read through them and they are all HORRIBLE suggestions. The game is way better as it is.
Its already annoying that in the new patch vampires can kill mafia.. Vampires are way too overpowered anyways, because theres 4 of them and they can just "make" new members.. Very unbalanced when they start killing the mafia. ANd mayor not being able to whisper? THat just makes the whole role useless..

And those suggestions in the first post, as I said, completely horrible.. No vigi death note to explain why he shot? Retri dying? Having to lynch exe? The game exists, and works great, and has worked great for a long time. DOnt go changing something that works to something that doesnt.

I hope the changes the person listed will stay as ideas and not come to the actual game.
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Re: Town of Salem 1.5

Postby JazzMusicStops » Thu Aug 04, 2016 6:03 am

The game doesn't "work great", it's fundamentally flawed in many places
And you may say to yourself, "My God! What have I done?"

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Re: Town of Salem 1.5

Postby alex1234321 » Thu Aug 04, 2016 6:43 am

The game is horrible now. It is so swingy. These suggestions would make the game less swingy, while balancing it. I do not get that most people voted that they like Town Power, but nearly everyone who I talk to says that they hate the idea.
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Re: Town of Salem 1.5

Postby orangeandblack5 » Thu Aug 04, 2016 8:52 am

I would appreciate not having to make a Town Power slot, but it would be the easiest way to balance Mayor, Jailor, and Retributionist combos right now.
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No offense but that is the dumbest idea I think I have heard.

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Re: Town of Salem 1.5

Postby BPsycho2 » Thu Aug 04, 2016 2:23 pm

If anything, Framer and Forger should be combined, and a new Mafia role that can switch around the apparent causes of death should be created.

See here.

Your target likes tricking people. They are either a Framer, Vampire, or Jester.

Your target works with weapons. They are either a Vigilante, Veteran, or [Role]

Your target holds a grudge. They are either a Sheriff, Executioner, or the Godfather

Your target sticks to the shadows. They are either a Lookout, Witch, or the Werewolf.

Your target has a burning passion.They are either a Bodyguard, Mafioso, or Arsonist.

etc etc
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Re: Town of Salem 1.5

Postby orangeandblack5 » Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:17 pm

WW/Witch/Lookout needs a Mafia role tbh
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No offense but that is the dumbest idea I think I have heard.

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Re: Town of Salem 1.5

Postby BPsycho2 » Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:18 am

new mafia role.
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Re: Town of Salem 1.5

Postby ArcdeSeel » Sun Sep 04, 2016 1:07 am

On orangeandblack5's signature:

http://i.imgur.com/v1cxcDw.png

Doctor, Escort, Spy, Jailor, Mayor, Sheriff, Spy, Vampire Hunter

So, 1.5 should have no Mafia?
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Re: Town of Salem 1.5

Postby randomguyhavingfun » Sun Sep 04, 2016 2:51 am

orangeandblack5 wrote:WW/Witch/Lookout needs a Mafia role tbh

Werewolf needs more cover than that. Just replace him with Mafia.

Oh and about the rest of psychos results:
Bodygaurd needs less pressure
Vigilante or veteran are guaranteed in every game you can't just put both of them with a non confirmed Mafia role
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Re: Town of Salem 1.5

Postby BPsycho2 » Sun Sep 18, 2016 6:54 am

How about this?

Your target has dirty hands. They are either a Bodyguard, Jester, Mafioso, or the Werewolf.

Your target smells like gas. They are either a Framer, Vampire, or Arsonist!

2nd one I'm absolutely sure needs to happen. Adds an NK role to framer (buff).

Also Arsonist isn't a complete 50/50 if investigated n1.
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Re: Town of Salem 1.5

Postby orangeandblack5 » Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:06 am

Yeah, I'll probably make some changes to all of my threads either as soon as I don't have to stay up past midnighg every night doing homework or the weekend after next (next weekend is potentially the busiest one of my life).

And when my computer is fixed.

So yeah, stuff'll happen. School needs to calm down first though.
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SwampRabbit wrote:So basically, your idea is that no town should ever be able to confirm themselves as town.

No offense but that is the dumbest idea I think I have heard.

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Re: Town of Salem 1.5

Postby randomguyhavingfun » Sun Sep 18, 2016 9:33 am

BPsycho2 wrote:How about this?

Your target has dirty hands. They are either a Bodyguard, Jester, Mafioso, or the Werewolf.

Your target smells like gas. They are either a Framer, Vampire, or Arsonist!

2nd one I'm absolutely sure needs to happen. Adds an NK role to framer (buff).

Also Arsonist isn't a complete 50/50 if investigated n1.
Putting Arsonist with Framer literally only helps both

I think that having both mafioso and werewolf makes this insufficient cover. It's more like a desperate attempt than an actuall solution to me. As for the second one it's nice claimspace wise but it means arsonist will get the frame dousing. This will severely weaken all investigatives as it conceals the players actual role. I don't feel like this should be a thing.

orangeandblack5 wrote:Yeah, I'll probably make some changes to all of my threads either as soon as I don't have to stay up past midnighg every night doing homework or the weekend after next (next weekend is potentially the busiest one of my life).

And when my computer is fixed.

So yeah, stuff'll happen. School needs to calm down first though.

So you are in high school? Must be hard balanching stuff out. Can't wait for the updates though.
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Re: Town of Salem 1.5

Postby orangeandblack5 » Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:38 am

Yeah, Junior year :cry:

Got four AP classses, Chemistry (which is notoriously hard at our school), and Spanish 4. Leaving band as my only easy class.

I'm also in Key Club, Crew (Rowing), Robotics, Boy Scouts, and Science Club, so there goes all of the rest of my time (including weekends ;().

So yeah, lots of homework (and club/team stuff). At least I get a leg up on the AP Tests in that I won't be taking the SAT with the rest of my class (opting out), giving me extra time to study.
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No offense but that is the dumbest idea I think I have heard.

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Re: Town of Salem 1.5

Postby randomguyhavingfun » Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:33 pm

and i thought i had a tough scedule. how do you even keep up with this?
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Re: Town of Salem 1.5

Postby orangeandblack5 » Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:40 pm

I die inside
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No offense but that is the dumbest idea I think I have heard.

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Postby PoptartPresident » Sun Sep 18, 2016 12:54 pm

orangeandblack5 wrote:I die inside


I just cringe inside while trying to remember that college is just right around the corner.
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