Politician (Neutral Evil)

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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby RetralMega » Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:26 pm

A notification saying someone was bribed at the start of the day would help, I suppose, but would be a big nerf.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Mace8937 » Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:35 pm

RetralMega wrote:A notification saying someone was bribed at the start of the day would help, I suppose, but would be a big nerf.


I'm gonna set up a poll to see if people want them to be notified or not.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Jason13th » Wed Apr 06, 2016 5:50 pm

MaccaMania wrote:I have always liked the idea of a reverse Blackmailer.

I agree that it should be kept in Neutral Evil though, as Mafia Support would make the Mafia too powerful, the same way the Witch would.

I also think it should have the same goal as the Witch "Survive to see the Town lose the game."


Not really. Town already has Mayor. It is basically the reversal of Mayor.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Mace8937 » Wed Apr 06, 2016 5:53 pm

Jason13th wrote:Not really. Town already has Mayor. It is basically the reversal of Mayor.


How is it a reverse Mayor?
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Jason13th » Wed Apr 06, 2016 8:02 pm

Mace8937 wrote:
Jason13th wrote:Not really. Town already has Mayor. It is basically the reversal of Mayor.


How is it a reverse Mayor?


Because Mayor gets votes, while the Politician stops votes.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Mace8937 » Wed Apr 06, 2016 8:26 pm

Jason13th wrote:
Mace8937 wrote:
Jason13th wrote:Not really. Town already has Mayor. It is basically the reversal of Mayor.


How is it a reverse Mayor?


Because Mayor gets votes, while the Politician stops votes.


He doesn't necessarily "stop" votes, he just takes complete control over votes.

Also, I'm gonna edit the poll to see if people want the Politician to be able to control the vote of a revealed Mayor.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Kirize12 » Thu Apr 07, 2016 7:08 pm

Mace8937 wrote:
Jason13th wrote:
Mace8937 wrote:How is it a reverse Mayor?


Because Mayor gets votes, while the Politician stops votes.


He doesn't necessarily "stop" votes, he just takes complete control over votes.

Also, I'm gonna edit the poll to see if people want the Politician to be able to control the vote of a revealed Mayor.

Yes.
Factional balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because they cause Town to win a disproportionate amount

Strategical balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because there's no reason to use any other strategy

Structural balance - understanding that disabling the Mayor's whispers, despite it fixing whisper games, means that a player can't use a core mechanic of the game and is still bad

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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Mace8937 » Thu Apr 07, 2016 7:12 pm

Kirize12 wrote:
Mace8937 wrote:He doesn't necessarily "stop" votes, he just takes complete control over votes.

Also, I'm gonna edit the poll to see if people want the Politician to be able to control the vote of a revealed Mayor.

Yes.


Can you vote for it on the poll? I'm not really going to pay attention to the comments of:
ToS Forumer wrote:Yes. it should.

ToS Forumer 2 wrote:No, it shouldnt be able to control him.

Thanks ^_^
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby cxl1024 » Fri Apr 08, 2016 12:39 pm

I think you should have limits on how many times they can steal a vote. Then aligning them with mafia support wouldn't be so bad. Like maybe you can only bribe twice?
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Mace8937 » Fri Apr 08, 2016 2:53 pm

cxl1024 wrote:I think you should have limits on how many times they can steal a vote. Then aligning them with mafia support wouldn't be so bad. Like maybe you can only bribe twice?


Bribing only twice would be an EXTREME nerf to this role. So no.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby cxl1024 » Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:00 pm

Mace8937 wrote:
cxl1024 wrote:I think you should have limits on how many times they can steal a vote. Then aligning them with mafia support wouldn't be so bad. Like maybe you can only bribe twice?


Bribing only twice would be an EXTREME nerf to this role. So no.


Ok fine, but every day seems to be too much. You could potentially keep stealing the same person's vote, in which case they couldn't do anything.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Mace8937 » Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:02 pm

cxl1024 wrote:
Mace8937 wrote:
cxl1024 wrote:I think you should have limits on how many times they can steal a vote. Then aligning them with mafia support wouldn't be so bad. Like maybe you can only bribe twice?


Bribing only twice would be an EXTREME nerf to this role. So no.


Ok fine, but every day seems to be too much. You could potentially keep stealing the same person's vote, in which case they couldn't do anything.


They could talk. :|
Why would you steal the same person's vote EVERY time? That sucks the fun out of this role, and doing that is completely pointless, unless it's the revealed Mayor then in that case you can vote for yes/no in the poll ^_^
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby cxl1024 » Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:19 pm

Well, yeah they could talk, but I bet there will be those people who do steal the same person's vote just to be an asshole. Once you find out a town member, like spy or mayor, you steal their vote, and then use it against themselves. I like the idea of this role, but I don't think you should be allowed to continuously do it.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Mace8937 » Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:41 pm

cxl1024 wrote:Well, yeah they could talk, but I bet there will be those people who do steal the same person's vote just to be an asshole. Once you find out a town member, like spy or mayor, you steal their vote, and then use it against themselves. I like the idea of this role, but I don't think you should be allowed to continuously do it.


Lots of roles already implemented in the game can do stuff to be assholes xD. Jailor, Vig, Mayor voting someone up for no reason, Doc heal known killing role, Escort rb a confirmed townie.
The list goes on.
And to the Spy/Mayor thing, they can easily confirm themselves.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby cxl1024 » Fri Apr 08, 2016 5:28 pm

true
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby DarthMagnus » Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:24 pm

i like the idea as a whole, but a towny can just say "I'm being bribed don't trust (whoever is trying to get so and so lynched)", said person trying to get a lynch is probably politician
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby cxl1024 » Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:29 pm

DarthMagnus wrote:i like the idea as a whole, but a towny can just say "I'm being bribed don't trust (whoever is trying to get so and so lynched)", said person trying to get a lynch is probably politician


Very valid point, unlike a vig who can claim they were controlled to kill a town member, a gamethrower can easily claim that they were bribed at all times in order to gamethrow.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby Kirize12 » Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:38 pm

I voted No-Yes-Yes.

Reasons:

Whether a bribee is notified or not doesn't matter at all, but not doing it adds momentum and mystery to the NE slot, even if it's just for a little while it can swing the game in scum favor in a game that's town favored to begin with.
Bribing a revealed Mayor is not that important for the game now that I think about it, it could go either way but something that instills slightly more thought into Mayor reveals is in my opinion good for game balance.
Guilty/inno vote controlling comes along with the vote controlling package and a Trial phase can sometimes have more impact than a voting phase, so adding it is for the best.

DarthMagnus wrote:i like the idea as a whole, but a towny can just say "I'm being bribed don't trust (whoever is trying to get so and so lynched)", said person trying to get a lynch is probably politician

We do not balance around gamethrowers.
Factional balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because they cause Town to win a disproportionate amount

Strategical balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because there's no reason to use any other strategy

Structural balance - understanding that disabling the Mayor's whispers, despite it fixing whisper games, means that a player can't use a core mechanic of the game and is still bad

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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil)

Postby DancingKitten10 » Thu Apr 14, 2016 12:16 pm

The skill that it would take to use politician with the fact that people are notified when they are bribed, is just such a high skill gap... I don't think it needs nerfs, so I voted No-Yes-Yes.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

Postby Mace8937 » Wed Apr 20, 2016 7:03 pm

I'm bumping this topic because I added a new poll for autovests.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

Postby Kirize12 » Wed Apr 20, 2016 7:09 pm

Scum autovest is the best and most balanced choice for anti-town.
Factional balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because they cause Town to win a disproportionate amount

Strategical balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because there's no reason to use any other strategy

Structural balance - understanding that disabling the Mayor's whispers, despite it fixing whisper games, means that a player can't use a core mechanic of the game and is still bad

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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

Postby cxl1024 » Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:40 pm

Mace, change the one achievement in your spoiler. It says you can capture the vote of a revealed mayor.
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

Postby Kirize12 » Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:41 pm

One scum autovest is the best and most balanced choice. You Only Need One.
Factional balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because they cause Town to win a disproportionate amount

Strategical balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because there's no reason to use any other strategy

Structural balance - understanding that disabling the Mayor's whispers, despite it fixing whisper games, means that a player can't use a core mechanic of the game and is still bad

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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

Postby Mace8937 » Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:42 am

cxl1024 wrote:Mace, change the one achievement in your spoiler. It says you can capture the vote of a revealed mayor.


Thanks, I forgot :?
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Re: Politician (Neutral Evil) New Poll!

Postby kakesh » Fri Apr 22, 2016 6:59 pm

I love this. Fits into NE quite well I'd think. Don't think it should be night immune.
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