Mroz4k wrote:Concerning your Ret statement - okay, so you have two ressurections. Which one is Necro and which one is Ret? You dont know. Obviously one of them is evil but you dont know which one. In this situation, your ressed person is going to die... but at least they are wasting the time and can get potentionally a Town member hung up. Besides, the whole point is that Retributionists and Mediums are no longer trusted so much. Because this role is a possibility, its possible for people to lie about being Mediums or Retributionists and get away with it.
Kmenx wrote:Mroz4k wrote:Concerning your Ret statement - okay, so you have two ressurections. Which one is Necro and which one is Ret? You dont know. Obviously one of them is evil but you dont know which one. In this situation, your ressed person is going to die... but at least they are wasting the time and can get potentionally a Town member hung up. Besides, the whole point is that Retributionists and Mediums are no longer trusted so much. Because this role is a possibility, its possible for people to lie about being Mediums or Retributionists and get away with it.
You are forgetting about Jailor Mayor Spy trio Because necro s revived target Can not pass a spy test/Can t reveal/Can t jail
As an example:
N1:Invest and Consig dies
N2:Necro revives consig as invest (Which is a good thing for scum right ?) and a Mayor dies
N3:Mayor gets revived by the real retri
D4:Mayor revals and lynches the consig
This applies for Jailor and Spy too (Only costs jailor an execute because people will less likely to believe a "revived" jailor at day)
Yeah you are right about it nerfing medium but it won t nerf the retri s power it will only limit the usage of the retri s power
oliy wrote:Also, Mroz, will people be notified of a role switch when they die?
Kmenx wrote:@Mroz I gave that example for the "How can you confirm a revived person as town sentence ?" Real retri will just revive Jailor/Mayor/Spy/Transporter to counter Necro
Necro won t be a counter to retri Retri will be a counter to necro
However i am not saying this role is terrible it is a very good role But it can t revive a neutral role(If you do they are likely a dead man walking) and it will not likely win with a NK
(P.S:You can t nerf the mayor you can only nerf the whispers Mayor is a quick momentum builder/an extra vote for the town That s the entire role)
RetralMega wrote:Too OP. It definitely shouldn't tell the revived player who revived them.
Mroz4k wrote:RetralMega wrote:Too OP. It definitely shouldn't tell the revived player who revived them.
That would break purpose - thats that Necro and its ressed target ought to work together.
They cant kill the Necro... because that means the ressed person dies as well. And if it didnt tell the ressed player who ressed them, they could accidentaly kill the Necro either way... meaning that if it didnt tell them who ressed them, the role power will be kind of contraproductive.
There is a reason for the "Necro dies = ressed person dies as well"... to encourage them to keep Necro alive.
Which, btw, could be pretty good nerf to Retributionist... if Retributionist dies, the ressed player dies as well...
murat1996 wrote:Mroz4k wrote:That would break purpose - thats that Necro and its ressed target ought to work together.
They cant kill the Necro... because that means the ressed person dies as well. And if it didnt tell the ressed player who ressed them, they could accidentaly kill the Necro either way... meaning that if it didnt tell them who ressed them, the role power will be kind of contraproductive.
There is a reason for the "Necro dies = ressed person dies as well"... to encourage them to keep Necro alive.
Which, btw, could be pretty good nerf to Retributionist... if Retributionist dies, the ressed player dies as well...
Problem is that ret sometimes tends to die the SAME night they ressed a townie, so I'm not sure at that front.
Mroz4k wrote:murat1996 wrote:Mroz4k wrote:That would break purpose - thats that Necro and its ressed target ought to work together.
They cant kill the Necro... because that means the ressed person dies as well. And if it didnt tell the ressed player who ressed them, they could accidentaly kill the Necro either way... meaning that if it didnt tell them who ressed them, the role power will be kind of contraproductive.
There is a reason for the "Necro dies = ressed person dies as well"... to encourage them to keep Necro alive.
Which, btw, could be pretty good nerf to Retributionist... if Retributionist dies, the ressed player dies as well...
Problem is that ret sometimes tends to die the SAME night they ressed a townie, so I'm not sure at that front.
Dont see how thats a bad thing. Should have ressed before, or been more subtle about it. It would encourage people to try to stay hidden as best as they can as a Retri, because their death would render their ability useless. And its still very powerful because it brings a dead person back, along with all the info in the dead chat etc.
It wouldnt be a bad thing to give Retris incentive to try to stay alive after using their ability instead of just turning themselves into bait for kills with nothing more then just a simple vote.
murat1996 wrote:Does the Necromancer die when the reader target dies, or is it just when the Necromancer dies the reader target dies too?
Kirize12 wrote:I'm not really sure how I feel about an evil retributionist.
Mroz4k wrote:If anything, Id be opened to Janitor/Necro/Retri result, with Medium getting paired up with Witch and something else.
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