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4 Role game?

Postby XxCottonCandyxX » Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:27 am

I know ToS has a wide range of roles, and they're very very fun, but does anyone wish there could be a very simple online version of mafia?

I dunno if you've played mafia in real life, but I notice that generally when mafia's played at parties in real life, there's very rarely all these roles. Even with large crowds, the most I've seen is about 4 roles, being:

-mafia members (not distinct roles, just a bunch that decide on 1 person to kill)
-town members (can't do anything except vote)
-doctor (can choose 1 person to heal at night)
-investigator (can point at 1 person and be told if it's mafia or not)
-jester (included in some party games - someone who wants to be lynched)

Usually in real life there's a narrator who's impartial and tells everyone to "go to sleep" (eveyrone closes their eyes) and says "mafia heads up" (mafia wakes up and points to someone to kill) "doc heads up and choose someone to heal" "inves choose someone to inves" and then "everyone wake up"

I find this is fun in real life and from watching other people play because:
-the investigator has to convince everyone that they're really inves and not mafia lying about being inves
-heads up if real mafia is lying about being inves and inves has found maf and maf is like "of course u say im sus, if im town countering inves, and u're claiming inves then u cant be and ur maf, so u must make me seem like maf otherwise ur sus"
-maf not killing anyone intentionally and confusing town out the next day
-people doing a gasp when a lynched person is revealed to either be town/maf and ppl being "BUT U VOTED FOR THEM, U MUST BE MAF" etc
-jester being jester, but also maf being jester and town divided

like. ToS is really fun, but does anyone miss the simplicity and dynamics of in-person maf and wish ToS just had a simplistic 4 role maf sometimes? Bringing it back to the roots or is it just me?
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Re: 4 Role game?

Postby RealFantasy » Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:32 pm

isn't this something that you can do on epicmafia?

but what sets apart salem from party mafia games is that the discussion in salem is much, much shorter (rarely ever more than 90 seconds), so night abilities become very important to reveal/counteract/help/etc. evils
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Re: 4 Role game?

Postby kmn1999 » Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:34 pm

you could probably do a custom one with like everyone as a spy or surv except for 1 invest/sheriff, 1 maf, and 1 doctor
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Re: 4 Role game?

Postby Chemist1422 » Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:01 pm

It’s an interesting concept, but there’s nothing that stops the sheriff from claiming D1 and getting healed every night.
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Re: 4 Role game?

Postby Transcender » Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:05 pm

Chemist1422 wrote:It’s an interesting concept, but there’s nothing that stops the sheriff from claiming D1 and getting healed every night.

In this version of mafia you cant heal the same peep twice in a row
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Re: 4 Role game?

Postby XxCottonCandyxX » Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:29 am

kmn1999 wrote:you could probably do a custom one with like everyone as a spy or surv except for 1 invest/sheriff, 1 maf, and 1 doctor


Oh true. I didn't think of that. I would probs make it sheriff, mafiaoso, doc and vampire hunter if that were the case. VH is useless without vamps so they're just plain town. Though I find it hard to imagine anyone would settle for that in custom lol xD Most people on here prefer a more complex game I find.
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Re: 4 Role game?

Postby Phone0Ix » Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:20 am

XxCottonCandyxX wrote:
kmn1999 wrote:you could probably do a custom one with like everyone as a spy or surv except for 1 invest/sheriff, 1 maf, and 1 doctor


Oh true. I didn't think of that. I would probs make it sheriff, mafiaoso, doc and vampire hunter if that were the case. VH is useless without vamps so they're just plain town. Though I find it hard to imagine anyone would settle for that in custom lol xD Most people on here prefer a more complex game I find.

VH would turn Vigilante I think.

So Spy is best solution. And if more mafs, I'd say add Forger (so it's a little lastwill-less like in real life)
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Re: 4 Role game?

Postby XxCottonCandyxX » Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:15 am

Phone0Ix wrote:
XxCottonCandyxX wrote:
kmn1999 wrote:you could probably do a custom one with like everyone as a spy or surv except for 1 invest/sheriff, 1 maf, and 1 doctor


Oh true. I didn't think of that. I would probs make it sheriff, mafiaoso, doc and vampire hunter if that were the case. VH is useless without vamps so they're just plain town. Though I find it hard to imagine anyone would settle for that in custom lol xD Most people on here prefer a more complex game I find.

VH would turn Vigilante I think.

So Spy is best solution. And if more mafs, I'd say add Forger (so it's a little lastwill-less like in real life)


True. Oh man, this is just making me realise it really is impossible to get that sort of dynamic on online mafia. Never thought I'd one day miss it when I discovered ToS, which I thought was much better than real life mafia at that time :P
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Re: 4 Role game?

Postby Chemist1422 » Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:17 am

FM runs setups like those sometimes
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Re: 4 Role game?

Postby James2 » Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:39 pm

In theory this would be nice, but it simply wouldn't work in ToS. There's neither sufficient discussion time nor a sufficiently skilled playerbase for the town to go on scumreading alone or primarily.
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Re: 4 Role game?

Postby Transcender » Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:15 pm

James2 wrote:In theory this would be nice, but it simply wouldn't work in ToS. There's neither sufficient discussion time nor a sufficiently skilled playerbase for the town to go on scumreading alone or primarily.

and also, ive ran into too many that just dont understand scumreading- they act like its cheating.
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Re: 4 Role game?

Postby XxCottonCandyxX » Mon Mar 25, 2019 9:15 pm

James2 wrote:In theory this would be nice, but it simply wouldn't work in ToS. There's neither sufficient discussion time nor a sufficiently skilled playerbase for the town to go on scumreading alone or primarily.

Yep, half of the fun is the indignation and "acting skills" and "reading" in real life.
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