Meandrina wrote:A sidenote from me...
PLEASE stop using whatever report reason you want. Reporting for the wrong reason actually slows down the report from being judged. The higher the report reason does NOT mean the faster the report is viewed. Hate speech/harassment does NOT mean you hate what the player is doing.
Shakira123 wrote:According to these rules my guilty report last week (https://www.blankmediagames.com/Trial/v ... id=1373817) is a clear innocent.
Yet Naru himself guiltied it and judges defended the decision.
The mafia pushing on you (as in: ermagerd, I checked bleachkid and he's SK!), means there is evidence on you. But as long as they don't say anything in that direction and it's still possible for you to play around it (i.e. Death Note says you're immune: you still have plenty of ways to talk yourself out of it, instead of going "Fine, I'm SK and I'll side with town"), there is ABSOLUTELY no need for you to out yourself.In the situation that you are NK and mafia is town's priority since many towns died. Suppose you were being pushed on by the mafia and you reveal as NK to get the town to vote with you, certainly not game-throwing, yet by the new "guide" it's stated as it is. This is probably rare still it does happen several times.
In the situation where the town is outnumbered and a town plays off as jest?
basedblue3 wrote:Meandrina wrote:
@basedblue: We we still "believe" that to be true. Good luck changing our opinion on that. And congrats on being in the guide
The countless games that I won thanks to this strategy is enough proof. Already gave plenty of proof of my games where this strategy allowed me to carry town in the past but biased mods and judges don't care
basedblue3 wrote:Flavorable wrote:basedblue3 wrote:Meandrina wrote:
@basedblue: We we still "believe" that to be true. Good luck changing our opinion on that. And congrats on being in the guide
The countless games that I won thanks to this strategy is enough proof. Already gave plenty of proof of my games where this strategy allowed me to carry town in the past but biased mods and judges don't care
Syanna, Syanna, Syanna... Sigh..
It's not just that the judges don't care. It's that the community (apart from a couple of your friends who're also hellbent on trying to find loopholes in rules) absolutely did not like your "strategy" and that with said "strategy", you ruined countless of other people's games. Now I know it's hard, thinking about other people besides just yourself and how YOU want to play the game, but really, you're better off giving up on the discussion, because the "Syanna tactic" will never be a valid playstyle.
most of the "community" is simply bad at the game and doesn't even play ranked and they have no interest in making carrying plays. They just don't understand it. The mods are the worst because they have never played ranked in their life and they only play a game of All any or Coven once every 6 months and they dare say what gamethrowing is and isn't in ranked
ivan08651 wrote:I was playing ranked practice as jailor, day 4, lost internet connection, gets reported for being AFK.
basedblue3 wrote:.... The mods are the worst because they have never played ranked in their life and they only play a game of All any or Coven once every 6 months and they dare say what gamethrowing is and isn't in ranked
basedblue3 wrote:Flavorable wrote:Right now, I suggest instead of trying to kick everyone with "power" in the game and/or on the forums in the shins about something that's in the past, show everyone that you're above that. That you can (eventually) play the game without resorting to using a tactic specifically asked not to use, just to "spite" mods and judges. People might just get a bit more respect for you again and actually be more open to an actual talk about the tactic, instead of now, where everyone is so tired of the drama around it, the discussion automatically gets cut short.
I never used that tactic to "spite" the mods. I used it because it HELPED ME WIN GAMES and I WANTED TO WIN. If it makes me win games then I will use it. If it makes me win games then how could it be gamethrowing? It CAN'T be gamethrowing if it makes you win because the definition of gamethrowing is doing something that you know will make you lose.
bleachkid wrote:This guide should be, in my opinion, made by people that have played/understand this game. Many of these are completely situational that unless you wish to play this game linearly, it would make sense.
Flavorable wrote:The mafia pushing on you (as in: ermagerd, I checked bleachkid and he's SK!), means there is evidence on you. But as long as they don't say anything in that direction and it's still possible for you to play around it (i.e. Death Note says you're immune: you still have plenty of ways to talk yourself out of it, instead of going "Fine, I'm SK and I'll side with town"), there is ABSOLUTELY no need for you to out yourself.In the situation that you are NK and mafia is town's priority since many towns died. Suppose you were being pushed on by the mafia and you reveal as NK to get the town to vote with you, certainly not game-throwing, yet by the new "guide" it's stated as it is. This is probably rare still it does happen several times.
Flavorable wrote:In the situation where the town is outnumbered and a town plays off as jest?
To be honest, townies playing off as jest generally isn't seen as a "good strategy", since chances are the townie will still get lynched. You are OBLIGATED to defend yourself on the stand, unless you are an ACTUAL jester. If mafia has you outnumbered, chances are they're more than willing to take the chance to lynch a possible jester anyway.
These rules are, in my opinion at least, clear enough. Let's be fair, if you're smart enough to try and find a million loopholes in the rules, you're smart enough to realise that common sense also applies to the rules.
Flavorable wrote:basedblue3 wrote:Meandrina wrote:
@basedblue: We we still "believe" that to be true. Good luck changing our opinion on that. And congrats on being in the guide
The countless games that I won thanks to this strategy is enough proof. Already gave plenty of proof of my games where this strategy allowed me to carry town in the past but biased mods and judges don't care
Syanna, Syanna, Syanna... Sigh..
It's not just that the judges don't care. It's that the community (apart from a couple of your friends who're also hellbent on trying to find loopholes in rules) absolutely did not like your "strategy" and that with said "strategy", you ruined countless of other people's games. Now I know it's hard, thinking about other people besides just yourself and how YOU want to play the game, but really, you're better off giving up on the discussion, because the "Syanna tactic" will never be a valid playstyle.
WittyRecluse wrote:all the above
Flavorable wrote:WittyRecluse wrote:all the above
And not to be mean, but.. How many times have you been suspended now?
If the rules are clear enough for someone with about 2000 games played to understand with the guide, I don't see the problem.
The validity of the rules aren't at discussion here, merely the clarity of the guide. And if every single exception has to be added, everyone is gonna go crazy. People should be able to use some common sense. And no, of course people aren't going to report you if you, as NK, out yourself in a situation where you would otherwise pretty much be guaranteed a loss, to try and coax the town into trusting you, hoping to still kill them in the end. The point is that you don't go day 2: "I'm SK, I'll help town".
Like Meandrina already said: If you want the rules to change, or discuss the validity of them, take it up with someone who has the power to change them. As far as I can see, the guide is clear enough.
Meandrina wrote:http://bit.do/ToS-Rules
A brand guide of the game rules has just been released! It's been in the works for over 2 months and was a collaboration between the trial system and GMods, even BMG gave some input. It includes not only the rules, but a bit about the reporting system and how to appeal.
it's pretty important if you want to keep yourself from getting suspended
Be sure to spread this link around to all your friends that play this game and all Discord servers that associate with this game (but be sure not to spam it) and be sure to read it through.
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A sidenote from me...
PLEASE stop using whatever report reason you want. Reporting for the wrong reason actually slows down the report from being judged. The higher the report reason does NOT mean the faster the report is viewed. Hate speech/harassment does NOT mean you hate what the player is doing.
Edit: change of wording from "new rules guide" to "new guide of the game rules" so that people don't mistake this as new rules.
Meandrina wrote:It does take 2 people to report for the same reason in order for a report to generate. For example, if we are playing with wittyrecluse up there and I report him for spamming, but you report for hatespeech/harassment... the report will not get generated. I have also heard of some glitches of reporting from the end game lobby.
Other than that, I have not heard of a limit to the number of reports that can be generated for a given game, but I will ask around.
(not picking on you witty, you were just the one that posted above)
Meandrina wrote:I report him for spamming, but you report for hatespeech/harassment; the report will not get generated. But, if we both report for spamming, the report will generate.
abizoey wrote:Meandrina wrote:I report him for spamming, but you report for hatespeech/harassment; the report will not get generated. But, if we both report for spamming, the report will generate.
Has there ever actually been official confirmation that this is how it works? Because I was under the impression that if two people report a player for different reasons, the report will still generate with the 'highest priority' reason.
abizoey wrote:Meandrina wrote:I report him for spamming, but you report for hatespeech/harassment; the report will not get generated. But, if we both report for spamming, the report will generate.
Has there ever actually been official confirmation that this is how it works? Because I was under the impression that if two people report a player for different reasons, the report will still generate with the 'highest priority' reason.
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