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Re: TOS RULES GUIDE

Postby Flavorable » Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:19 pm

WittyRecluse wrote:all the above


And not to be mean, but.. How many times have you been suspended now?

If the rules are clear enough for someone with about 2000 games played to understand with the guide, I don't see the problem.

The validity of the rules aren't at discussion here, merely the clarity of the guide. And if every single exception has to be added, everyone is gonna go crazy. People should be able to use some common sense. And no, of course people aren't going to report you if you, as NK, out yourself in a situation where you would otherwise pretty much be guaranteed a loss, to try and coax the town into trusting you, hoping to still kill them in the end. The point is that you don't go day 2: "I'm SK, I'll help town".

Like Meandrina already said: If you want the rules to change, or discuss the validity of them, take it up with someone who has the power to change them. As far as I can see, the guide is clear enough.
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Re: TOS RULES GUIDE

Postby WittyRecluse » Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:45 pm

Flavorable wrote:
WittyRecluse wrote:all the above


And not to be mean, but.. How many times have you been suspended now?

If the rules are clear enough for someone with about 2000 games played to understand with the guide, I don't see the problem.

The validity of the rules aren't at discussion here, merely the clarity of the guide. And if every single exception has to be added, everyone is gonna go crazy. People should be able to use some common sense. And no, of course people aren't going to report you if you, as NK, out yourself in a situation where you would otherwise pretty much be guaranteed a loss, to try and coax the town into trusting you, hoping to still kill them in the end. The point is that you don't go day 2: "I'm SK, I'll help town".

Like Meandrina already said: If you want the rules to change, or discuss the validity of them, take it up with someone who has the power to change them. As far as I can see, the guide is clear enough.

For gamethrowing? (which is what my post is about) Never. And considering that judges and mods have a history of not using common sense in their interpretations of the rules, basing everything off of the exact wording of rules instead of the obvious fair judgments that should be given, these notes should indeed be added.
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Re: TOS RULES GUIDE

Postby GeniusWind » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:03 pm

Meandrina wrote:http://bit.do/ToS-Rules

A brand guide of the game rules has just been released! It's been in the works for over 2 months and was a collaboration between the trial system and GMods, even BMG gave some input. It includes not only the rules, but a bit about the reporting system and how to appeal.

it's pretty important if you want to keep yourself from getting suspended ;)

Be sure to spread this link around to all your friends that play this game and all Discord servers that associate with this game (but be sure not to spam it) and be sure to read it through.




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PLEASE stop using whatever report reason you want. Reporting for the wrong reason actually slows down the report from being judged. The higher the report reason does NOT mean the faster the report is viewed. Hate speech/harassment does NOT mean you hate what the player is doing.

Edit: change of wording from "new rules guide" to "new guide of the game rules" so that people don't mistake this as new rules.


Hello, sometimes when i report players, the report won't appear under the player's account. Often times I find that if someone else is reported in the game, then it is unlikely for the report to be present. Is it a known bug?
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Re: TOS RULES GUIDE

Postby Meandrina » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:07 pm

It does take 2 people to report for the same reason in order for a report to generate.
For example, if we are playing with wittyrecluse up there. I report him for spamming, but you report for hatespeech/harassment; the report will not get generated. But, if we both report for spamming, the report will generate.
I have also heard of some glitches of reporting from the end game lobby.
Other than that, I have not heard of a limit to the number of reports that can be generated for a given game, but I will ask around.

(not picking on you witty, you were just the one that posted above)
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Re: TOS RULES GUIDE

Postby GeniusWind » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:23 pm

Meandrina wrote:It does take 2 people to report for the same reason in order for a report to generate. For example, if we are playing with wittyrecluse up there and I report him for spamming, but you report for hatespeech/harassment... the report will not get generated. I have also heard of some glitches of reporting from the end game lobby.
Other than that, I have not heard of a limit to the number of reports that can be generated for a given game, but I will ask around.

(not picking on you witty, you were just the one that posted above)


Your first sentence and example sounds different to me. So we need 2 or more people to report someone for gamethrowing for the gamethrowing report to register? Because I reported someone a few hours earlier for gamethrowing but their report didn't appear when I checked for it after the game ( 10 min+ ). Basically nothing about this game's report was registered.

Edit: Okay gotcha. It makes sense now why players usually ask everyone to report a gamethrower. Cuz an individual report will be auto-discarded -__- Thanks!
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Re: TOS RULES GUIDE

Postby Meandrina » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:28 pm

sorry, i dropped a sentence when I got distracted while typing. Edited now, do it make more sense?
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Re: TOS RULES GUIDE

Postby abizoey » Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:29 pm

Meandrina wrote:I report him for spamming, but you report for hatespeech/harassment; the report will not get generated. But, if we both report for spamming, the report will generate.


Has there ever actually been official confirmation that this is how it works? Because I was under the impression that if two people report a player for different reasons, the report will still generate with the 'highest priority' reason.
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Re: TOS RULES GUIDE

Postby WittyRecluse » Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:42 pm

abizoey wrote:
Meandrina wrote:I report him for spamming, but you report for hatespeech/harassment; the report will not get generated. But, if we both report for spamming, the report will generate.


Has there ever actually been official confirmation that this is how it works? Because I was under the impression that if two people report a player for different reasons, the report will still generate with the 'highest priority' reason.

Yeah fairly sure you're right here
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Re: TOS RULES GUIDE

Postby Flavorable » Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:21 am

abizoey wrote:
Meandrina wrote:I report him for spamming, but you report for hatespeech/harassment; the report will not get generated. But, if we both report for spamming, the report will generate.


Has there ever actually been official confirmation that this is how it works? Because I was under the impression that if two people report a player for different reasons, the report will still generate with the 'highest priority' reason.


Time to ask around. I'll get back to everyone about that.
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Re: TOS RULES GUIDE

Postby abizoey » Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:08 am

Flavorable wrote:Time to ask around. I'll get back to everyone about that.


No need to, I did some testing and confirmed that I was right - 2 reports on a player for different reasons does still generate a report.
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Re: TOS RULES GUIDE

Postby Flavorable » Mon Jun 18, 2018 8:40 am

abizoey wrote:
Flavorable wrote:Time to ask around. I'll get back to everyone about that.


No need to, I did some testing and confirmed that I was right - 2 reports on a player for different reasons does still generate a report.


Awesome. Will be adding that to my list of answers to questions asked. :) Thanks Abi <3
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Re: TOS RULES GUIDE

Postby Mathelete » Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:48 am

You'd think this stuff is common sense, but clearly not. Also, fake gamethrowing as town is only acceptable in rare instances and only if it actually works (for example, pretending to side with vamps, then going on alert and killing a vamp).

I'd sum the rules up to 3 points:
1. Don't be a dick (pretty much covers spamming, hate speech, harassment, etc)
2. Do your best to win (covers gamethrowing)
3. Be a team player, unless you know your team cannot win (also covers gamethrowing)
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Re: TOS RULES GUIDE

Postby Meandrina » Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:44 pm

Updated guide to reflect the testing about reporting under different categories. As long as 2 people report, the report generates.

@mathelete I love the tl;dr version of your 3 rules... unfortunately players were confused on what even BMG laid out on the site, and players asked for a more comprehensive list. Your list might be a good addition to the wiki site though.
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Re: TOS RULES GUIDE

Postby Amythyr » Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:39 am

bleachkid wrote:Snip


I do agree with you on some points. The issue is that gamethrowing is quite dependent on the game.

I also revealed as neutral when cl was controlling me to kill townies. And i won the game by making deal with both maf and town, then betraying both. The jurors and judges can see what you are trying to do and will vote on the basis of that.
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Re: TOS RULES GUIDE

Postby UzayAltay » Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:15 am

Is fake-claiming to push your target You had evidence Gamethrowing ?

For example , I saw A confirmed town visited by 2 players ( call them Player A - Player B ) , Confirmed town claims attacked healed , instead of claim lookout , Claiming invest with Vig /vet/maf Result on any of them . Than saying Real role after The Player I accuse claimed .
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Re: TOS RULES GUIDE

Postby Meandrina » Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:31 am

Updated doc and change log on original post.
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Re: TOS RULES GUIDE

Postby bluewave41 » Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:21 pm

Update this please

Calling people scrubs, snowflakes or retard even once counts as harassment accordingly to Achilles.
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Re: TOS RULES GUIDE

Postby MysticMismagius » Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:53 pm

Spoilering because this is about filtered words and I have to use the words to ask this question concisely:

Spoiler: Apparently, “niqqer” and other variations of the N-word are considered blacklisted and completely unacceptable... except “nibba”. That one is considered “less offensive: guilty at the judge’s discretion.” Is there a reason for this distinction? Why is that variation okay when the others aren’t?
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Re: TOS RULES GUIDE

Postby Meandrina » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:17 pm

Some trial people didn't feel like "nibba" was all that bad, while others disagreed. If you look up nibba, it is by definition the "less offensive" word and has become more of a meme and everyday talk. There was no consensus among judges/gmods/devs so it was left "to judge discretion". It is constantly being discussed and hopefully a consensus will be reached soon. (I heard it has been added to the filter list and am waiting for more confirmation.)

Edit: nibba is now a hard filtered word, so this should lead it to be dealt with the same as other similar words you stated.
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Re: TOS RULES GUIDE

Postby Meandrina » Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:12 am

Much needed update to doc has been done to reflect rules since moving to p2p.
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Re: TOS RULES GUIDE

Postby SeerSword » Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:11 am

Hey! Quick question regarding Cheating Point i. I've oftentimes seen people base their knowledges on past games.

Example 1: Individual X says their role at the beginning of every game, uses this as a tactic to act like a jester. They use this tactic again next game, I say "I've seen this before, this is actually X role not a jester"

How is that cheating? The game is supposed to be based on deduction and you learn strategies over time. If you see someone use the same strategy repeatedly, does it not make sense to comment on it?

Example 2 (Bit more murky but still want to check): Individual X says in a game "I am using Vampire scrolls". Investigator shows those results, I say "They're using vampire scrolls, we should definitely hang them".

By the listed rules this is considered cheating. But if the person has offered that information, was it not on them to be sly about their behaviors? If you weren't actively hunting the information but have it, it feels silly not to use it.
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